In post 173, Menalque wrote:You clearly implied that you thought she was scum
Saying you never said she was definitely scum is pedantic ass covering so you can say “oh but I never said she was DEFINITELY scum”
can somebody else explain to menal why this post is so terrible? I don't think he will listen to me despite already explaining it.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:59 am
by Menalque
I think I’m borderline willing to BoP myself on wimpy!scum
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:01 am
by Menalque
Wimpy how many games of mafia have you played?
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:03 am
by Wimpy
In post 174, Menalque wrote:You can’t keep your story straight and it’s because you’re scum
You claimed you voted datisi because you thought she was scum
Now you’re claiming that you just voted her because she was scummy but that you never really believed she was scum
I have no problem with my story. I do have a problem with this line of manipulation you are doing.
1. The bolded is a lie. The reason I voted datisi is "Cause I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it. It violates site rules and is scummy"
2. Most people aren't as good at mafia as you are. Most people won't have 100% certainty so early. You can call that pedantry, or changing my story, or whatever type of manipulation you want, but I just call it being human and not being 100% sure of myself or my reads, especially so early in the game.
I can think somebody is scummy. I can think somebody is probably scum, neither of those imply I think I am 100% right and anyone who expects me to think I am 100% right has an unrealistic expectation imo.
and on that note I am officially done arguing with you about it.
In post 174, Menalque wrote:You can’t keep your story straight and it’s because you’re scum
You claimed you voted datisi because you thought she was scum
Now you’re claiming that you just voted her because she was scummy but that you never really believed she was scum
I have no problem with my story. I do have a problem with this line of manipulation you are doing.
1.
The bolded is a lie. The reason I voted datisi is "Cause I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it. It violates site rules and is scummy"
2.
Most people aren't as good at mafia as you are. Most people won't have 100% certainty so early.
You can call that pedantry, or changing my story, or whatever type of manipulation you want, but I just call it being human and not being 100% sure of myself or my reads, especially so early in the game.
I can think somebody is scummy. I can think somebody is probably scum, neither of those imply I think I am 100% right and anyone who expects me to think I am 100% right has an unrealistic expectation imo.
and on that note I am officially done arguing with you about it.
(1) I’ve already shown that you claimed earlier that you considered datisi scum at the time of this vote. You said the vote was serious. When asked why you thought datisi was scum, you gave the reasons for why the vote was serious. So you were lying then, or you’re lying now.
(2) I’ve never claimed 100% certainty. In fact, no one has. But that’s because obviously no one is going to do that. So trying to say that you didn’t consider datisi scum when you called her probably scum and implied that you were actually thinking she was scum in the answer to one of my questions goes in contrast to your later claim that you didn’t think she was scum but just that she had done scummy things.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 4:10 am
by Menalque
Imagine playing over 200 games and playing like this
In post 183, Menalque wrote:Imagine playing over 200 games and playing like this
I haven't played poorly though.
"Your value doesn't decrease based on someone's inability to see your worth"
Just cause you think i have, doesn't mean I actually have.
Expecting me to have 100% certainty in my scum reads early game before others have posted, and then using the fact that i don't against me and implying that 1. i am scum and 2. I am a shitty player is both factually incorrect and personally offensive.
Please don't critique my play anymore or I will consider that a personal insult.
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:05 am
by Plum
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:14 am
by emps
i wake up
oh wow 8 whole pages
there were like 15 posts yesterday
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:14 am
by Wimpy
In post 182, Menalque wrote:(1) I’ve already shown that you claimed earlier that you considered datisi scum at the time of this vote. You said the vote was serious. When asked why you thought datisi was scum, you gave the reasons for why the vote was serious. So you were lying then, or you’re lying now.
1. At the time of my vote I never said I considered Datisi was scum so this is not true
2. Page 67 is when I first mention that i think datisi is probably scum. I admit that was poor choice of wording. Probably was a higher level of certainty than I actually had at the time so I apologize for that. I meant possibly which is less certain.
3. Post 71, again i say he is probably scum. again sorry for the poor choice of words. I still meant possibly
4. post 72 - This is where I answer your question. This again is my mistake. I wrongfully assumed you meant "why do you think datisi is probably scum". Had I known you were asking my why I thought he was definitely scum, I would have corrected myself. So again I apologize, I had no idea you were implying complete certainty. I should have asked clarifying questions.
so I guess in summary. When I am trying to say is at the time of my vote on Datisi, it was serious but I did not seriously think she was scum. I thought she was scummy. Based on my 200+ mafia game experience it has always been acceptable to vote people you think are scummy even if you aren't sure they are scum. I had no idea this was not acceptable on mafiascum.
Oh wait, I have read games on mafiascum and even played games on mafiascum so I know it is actually acceptable to vote somebody who is scummy but don't believe 100% they are scum so I guess my answer to your question is
I was not lying then and I am not lying now. Both are actually possible to do in a game of mafia.