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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:55 am
by Menalque
lol
Just wait for her reaction when she finds out I specced this game since D2
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:58 am
by Menalque
In post 174, Map Wolf wrote:These kinds of endings must really suck as town since you really have to just trust your own instinct.
This is actually not what you should do — you should ideally try to ignore as much as what happens in lylo as possible and dedicate yourself to re-examining as neutrally as possible the actions of the players you’re in lylo with prior to lylo itself
You should also be thinking about — or at least considering — why you’re in lylo, and why the other players would be there as town
Disclaimed: I’m terrible at actually doing these in lylo, but for people who are good at them lylo is much harder for scum than if you base the call on instinct and/or lylo play
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:00 am
by Naerys
All i can say is that Norway deserves to be lynched
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:00 am
by Menalque
In post 983, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Assuming i am in fact scum... why would scum!me at the beginning of D4 immediately claim VT and argue with town!Phoenix whom would be the real VT in this scenario, rather than instead fake claim mason and try to convince town!Ph0enix to vote Datisi (whom is a much more mislynchable player). Theoretical scum!me is unlikely to make the play i did today, therefore it indicates i am town.
...bc you knew mason was likely crumbed (and potentially by their partner) and you weren’t so would inevitably lose if you CC’d a mason claim that had a D1 crumb behind it?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:03 am
by Menalque
In post 978, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Well, this post is something worth looking at:
In post 90, Map Wolf wrote:VOTE: Norwegian
Don't really like 67 and 75. I don't see how GBJ finding you suspicious makes him scum.
Sure he unvoted immediately, but that's definitely not something a scum partner would do.
There's also more i mentioned earlier today.
As for scumtells on Ph0enix
it's a bit of a challenge since he has been playing very smartly by bussing his teammate with a vote when Map Wolf's wagon reached L-2.
He also has managed to keep up a very good progression, honestly i'm impressed by it. He does play it safe though, as i pointed out when i first saw him. He's never done anything controversial that shows genuine resolve in solving the game, all his posts are presented very matter of factly and with some sprinkled in light questioning.
What i can say to my defense is, assuming i'm scum... why would scum!me immediately claim VT and go heads to toe with town!Phoenix over claiming mason and trying to convince town!Ph0enix to vote you Datisi (a much more mislynchable player)? I may play recklessly sometimes, but there's no reason why scum!me would make such a bad play. It's a situation scum!Ph0enix took advantage of to make me look bad.
Only you explicitly said you thought this was an obvious bus bc of the timing, so really it’s not a good bus at all? A much better bus was to get on second
Also, suggesting that lylo should be decided based on who bussed and not on general play is a straight up scumclaim
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:07 am
by Menalque
Datisi
please
lynch obvscum
I am mentally, nay,
psychically
sending you the message that norway is scum and your next post should be a hammer
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:07 am
by Menalque
I don’t think even norway scumclaims this much when he’s town
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:27 am
by Naerys
This gives such scum feeling
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:32 am
by Menalque
In post 1016, Datisi wrote:There are some things I need to sleep on. I just lost one lylo, I don't want to lose another.
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:39 am
by Kanna
GO DATISI I STILL BELIEVE YOU, LETS WIN THIS PARTNER
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 am
by Kanna
Analysis?
Why was salad killed instead of Datisi?
> if Datisi was killed in scum!phoenix world, it would be scum, Norway, salad and with how much Norway trusted Phoenix over salad, that would’ve been an easy win
> if datisi was killed in scum!norway, it would’ve been scum, Phoenix, salad and in that it would’ve been less easy but nevermind, maybe I dug myself into a trap
I think salad kill was more norway because he would’ve had confidence he could deal with Datisi? Phoenix would’ve killed either Norway/Datisi maybe?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:48 am
by Kanna
On the other hand, still thinking about my kill and in mason pt, Datisi quoted my readlist before I died and I was SRing Map so maybe it could’ve been that if not a PR hunt + I think I was vaguely poking at Phoenix so?? Is that +scum!phoenix?
Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:52 am
by Naerys
In my opinion Norway is scum. And if by any chance Norway flips town, he deserves lynch anyway. The way he plays...its too scummy
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:13 am
by Kanna
I kinda think it’s Phoenix; his arguments are a bit messy compared to Norway’s. also he’s like completely on the defence while Norway’s on the attack? Doesn’t seem as confident in his own innocence as Norway is
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:15 am
by Naerys
Norway is way too pushy for quick hammer imo
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:19 am
by Kanna
Also I do think he scumslipped eg why would I kill Kanna instead of you? that’s a clumsy argument and doesn’t point to Norway anyway? One of you guys killed me
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 am
by Kanna
That’s true though @Naerys
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:22 am
by Kanna
Ih Norway pointed the scumslip out too
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:23 am
by Naerys
Anyway, i can play 3 games as newbie,right?
considering this
In post 3, PenguinPower wrote:Newer Players are allowed to play 3 completed games from scratch before having to qualify as an SE, instead of being restricted to 2 games. (7/30/2017)
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:29 am
by Kanna
I think later on in the post it says number of games changed from 3 to 5?
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:35 am
by Kanna
Final answer: Phoenix?
But everyone thinks it’s Norway so could be wrong here
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:35 am
by Naerys
oh i see, its bit confusing
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:36 am
by Naerys
lets just hope Datisi will make right choice
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:03 am
by Menalque
In post 188, Kanna wrote:I kinda think it’s Phoenix; his arguments are a bit messy compared to Norway’s. also he’s like completely on the defence while Norway’s on the attack? Doesn’t seem as confident in his own innocence as Norway is
Imo scum are significantly more likely to be aggressive in lylo compared to town
Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:06 am
by Menalque
Which kind of makes sense: if you’re scum, you’ve been being scummy all game and you know the person you’re trying to get mislynched has been being towny (the least possible if you’ve selected them for a mislynch, but they’ve at a minimum been doing everything from a towny mindset) and therefore it’s a big risk to scum to allow the 3rd player with the deciding vote to neutrally evaluate the evidence and make a decision because, again, you’ve been acting to a scum win condition all game and that probably shows. So as scum, you’re very incentivised to be offensive and try to control the narrative of the game, vs town who KNOW they’ve been town all game and believe it should show through.
Either way, as already mentioned, trying to read based on the lylo itself is generally a bad idea vs trying to make your reads based on their play throughout the entire game.