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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:18 am
by nomnomnom
In post 167, northsidegal wrote:if anything, charisma in the traditional sense just seems correlated with not getting lynched - not even necessarily getting townread, just not getting lynched.
I was laughed at for pointing this fact out in TM2020 lol

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:10 am
by profii
I think the people with so called charisma are probably just a combination of well written natural leaders who have caused the average player to call leadership charisma by causing the average player to follow the leaders where they want to go.

Somewhat ironically.

The issue with "charisma" is that it does not equate to good reads, therefore town can be led by town to a mislynch


I think there is occasionally players who have reputation for good reads so people follow them even if they are perhaps not as overtly "charismatic" but the risk is they could be scum of course

To be a good town player, I try to be a team player and make the unit work together as a whole. Sometimes i am accused of diplomacy or fence sitting but I'm often just trying to get people to consider other perspectives if they dont appear to have done so.

I think I am capable of talking people into lynching a particular target without just bulldozing my way through the town but I dont particularly like doing it

I would not say I'm a great town player... my reads are simply not that good

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:46 pm
by RadiantCowbells
In post 175, nomnomnom wrote:
In post 167, northsidegal wrote:if anything, charisma in the traditional sense just seems correlated with not getting lynched - not even necessarily getting townread, just not getting lynched.
I was laughed at for pointing this fact out in TM2020 lol
eh

i would consider FL intensely charismatic and he's good at more than not getting lynched

i also think yall underestimate how traditionally charismatic I am since I've gotten lazier and more force of will / reputation driven

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:55 pm
by Alyssa The Lamb
FL is charismatic but not very good at getting himself listened to

his idiosyncrasies also do get him lynched at times

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:53 pm
by Krazy
Boon is a beautiful, beautiful man

Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:11 pm
by Alyssa The Lamb
In post 179, Krazy wrote:Boon is a beautiful, beautiful man
This is funny from the context of hydraing with this man many times

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:16 am
by Ramcius
Charisma isn't omnipotent. If you try abuse it too much, it loses it's power

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:35 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
Directly relying upon charisma isn't charisma

Its like the show, don't tell principle

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:58 am
by Nero Cain
In post 113, mastina wrote:Ellibereth had the highest accuracy yes
Eli was only accurate b/c he had a computer program working for him.

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:06 am
by Nero Cain
I think just being active and using your voice and vote makes u a good player.

If at the end of the game
YOU
feel like you tried your best, regardless of how accurate you were then its some p good town play. OFC, those that were more accurate are better players but still...

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:35 am
by Ramcius
In post 184, Nero Cain wrote:I think just being active and using your voice and vote makes u a good player.

If at the end of the game
YOU
feel like you tried your best, regardless of how accurate you were then its some p good town play. OFC, those that were more accurate are better players but still...
Now that's something I wholeheartedly agree

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:35 am
by Ramcius
In post 182, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Directly relying upon charisma isn't charisma

Its like the show, don't tell principle
Isn't that what FL do?

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:52 am
by Alyssa The Lamb
In post 186, Ramcius wrote:
In post 182, Alyssa The Lamb wrote:Directly relying upon charisma isn't charisma

Its like the show, don't tell principle
Isn't that what FL do?
He does both, I don't know anybody who even pays attention to him when he does his self meta.