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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:17 am
by bugspray
In post 174, Raya36 wrote:
In post 171, bugspray wrote:Drew x Khan scum
Can you explain why you think this?
my two strongest srs

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:19 am
by Raya36
Well yes but why are they your strongest scumreads

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:32 am
by votato
In post 173, Raya36 wrote:
In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

Asking this again since I'm still confused
i dunno that i really have a better answer than the one i already gave... i take a lot of mental shortcuts and sometimes my brain skips steps and i wind up with whack-brained ideas.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:51 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 173, Raya36 wrote:
In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

Asking this again since I'm still confused
Raya your concern seems very genuine and townie to me.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:52 am
by SleeperSoul
But I trust votato.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:59 am
by Raya36
In post 177, votato wrote:
In post 173, Raya36 wrote:
In post 46, votato wrote:hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.
Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

Asking this again since I'm still confused
i dunno that i really have a better answer than the one i already gave... i take a lot of mental shortcuts and sometimes my brain skips steps and i wind up with whack-brained ideas.
Alright. I guess it's not a scumslip because that's just not a fact??

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:00 am
by Raya36
I'm honestly a little confused at how strong votato and sleeper are trusting each other. I'm a little worried that votato is manipulating sleeper. (I don't see sleeper being scum so if there is manipulation it's from votato.)

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:06 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 181, Raya36 wrote:I'm honestly a little confused at how strong votato and sleeper are trusting each other. I'm a little worried that votato is manipulating sleeper. (I don't see sleeper being scum so if there is manipulation it's from votato.)
I really wish I could link you the exact post from the other game where I became confident in votato's read on me.

I do have a slight wariness towards votato because he initiated this plan that I don't fully understand..... but the trust I feel is strong. It just gets challenged every now and then by logic. I feel that khan and drew are mafia. Logic comes in and causes doubt every now and then but overall I trust the direction this game is going in.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:10 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 147, Genghis Khan wrote:An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.

Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.
This post pretty much sealed the deal for me on votato being right.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:12 am
by Raya36
In post 182, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 181, Raya36 wrote:I'm honestly a little confused at how strong votato and sleeper are trusting each other. I'm a little worried that votato is manipulating sleeper. (I don't see sleeper being scum so if there is manipulation it's from votato.)
I really wish I could link you the exact post from the other game where I became confident in votato's read on me.

I do have a slight wariness towards votato because he initiated this plan that I don't fully understand..... but the trust I feel is strong. It just gets challenged every now and then by logic. I feel that khan and drew are mafia. Logic comes in and causes doubt every now and then but overall I trust the direction this game is going in.
I do understand that it's a meta read but meta is generally quite weak in my opinion. I like to use it to solidify my reads but never as the main basis of my read.

What is this plan you mention?

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:12 am
by Raya36
In post 183, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 147, Genghis Khan wrote:An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.

Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.
This post pretty much sealed the deal for me on votato being right.
I don't see that being particularly AI

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:18 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 184, Raya36 wrote:
What is this plan you mention?
Just the lynch on khan.

Unless he does have a mysterious plan that I'm not aware of.... I don't think so.


I do feel that townie concern from him when interacting in the PT.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:31 am
by bugspray
In post 176, Raya36 wrote:Well yes but why are they your strongest scumreads
i dont know why i have reads i just have them

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:32 am
by bugspray
gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:37 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 188, bugspray wrote:gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty
What is 'dd tonallty'?

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:37 am
by SleeperSoul
In post 189, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 188, bugspray wrote:gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty
What is 'dd tonallty'?

Oh nvm I see.... You don't like drew's tone. I agree.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:39 am
by SleeperSoul
After rereading the game last night, I didn't know WHAT I was thinking with this post:
In post 93, SleeperSoul wrote:Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.
rereading it, I didn't like his aggression at all.

But I guess that served to help scum slip up, so yay! :lol:

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:48 am
by SleeperSoul
Before my catch up, I was playing this game while lacking sleep.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11914693

After sleeping, when catching up, I didn't reread the whole game, I just started catching up up from votato's post. So that's why I didn't mention drew.

Now that I reread everything without a lack of sleep, I see how scummy drew's aggression was.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:11 am
by bugspray
sleeper soul are you wearing flip flops

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:33 am
by Doctor Drew
In post 188, bugspray wrote:gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty
Genghis is also being replaced fyi.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:37 am
by beeboy
PookyTheMagicalBear replaces Genghis Khan effective immediately. Deadline is now unfrozen, will update it in the following vote count.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 am
by bugspray
In post 194, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 188, bugspray wrote:gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty
Genghis is also being replaced fyi.
gengis's posting seemed to be avoiding solving the game and i still sr the slot for it
i didnt say "avoiding the game" how about you stop misrepping town arguments

VOTE: drdrew

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:43 am
by Doctor Drew
'Seems to be' implies current events, hard to be actively solving the game when the player has left said game, right?

I will ask again, please someone sum up the case against Genghis ( and now Pooky).

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:46 am
by Doctor Drew
Also, on the flip of this.

Let's play devil's advocate and say Pooky(Genghis) and I are scum buddies, why would I be obviously against his lynch? That would be a bonkers play, and borderline suicidal.

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:46 am
by Doctor Drew
Post Edit: why would I be so obviously