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In post 173, Titus wrote:Nah pretty dure anything you do won't confirm my brother

eliminate

i think my solve might be

math
DS
ddl
SS

I feel like the correct play is to protect plus tonight but mastina and titus raise a fairly valid concern that plus might not be kinda inline with us and just lynch one of us. What do you think, fiddy?

though if you go ahead and kill Math I'd be ok giving it to you anyways lol

like even if Math isn't King I legit think he's more harmful to the town but Math could just be king anyway so...

Nero Cain and I have almost no overlap in our scumreads (what else is new) but I wouldn't shed a tear if anyone on list list died.

Sorry for not generating a list tonight or chatting. Drunk!Titus passed out instead.

In post 177, Nero Cain wrote:I feel like the correct play is to protect plus tonight but mastina and titus raise a fairly valid concern that plus might not be kinda inline with us and just lynch one of us. What do you think, fiddy?

I am of the opinion Scum will NOT shoot Plus tonight anyway. He claimed ODD NIGHT, so he has no action tonight.

Add that to what mastina said. We need this elimination to be decided here between us all. A unanimous decision if possible, but if not then a majority will suffice.

My current stance is as follows

1) Favor a shellyc elimination but write a note warning Math to shape up, with specific greivances and solutions. Also explaining the effects.

2) If Math makes no effort to shape up, execute him.

3)If Math shapes up and we no longer favor the shelly wagon, try and get a majority here of the six of us. This is a rare day where not all three of the society have to agree with a read for our wincon.

Second, Nero and I could use the time. While I wouldn't cry if anyone on his list died, I am not scumreading them.

tbf I didn't like shelly's "catch-up" post but isn't she like confirmed?

In post 182, Almost50 wrote:A unanimous decision if possible

DEATH TO MATH!

though we don't have to decide on the lynch right now.

In post 184, Nero Cain wrote:tbf I didn't like shelly's "catch-up" post but isn't she like confirmed?

No. She is not.

The argument for scum!shellyc

Plusjoyed is a disloyal inventor.
If shelly got something she's scum.
He slipped he was loyal or disloyal.
Shelly would know, based on getting something that Plus is disloyal.
So she lies and says she got nothing.

I don't like scum avoiding an all town wagon on town in my VCA. It's possible sure but unlikely as fuck.

but still shelly could be telling the truth no? The argument that she had to know Plus was disloyal doesn't make 100% sense to me b/c a scum shelly could have thought plus was loyal and knew that claiing she didn't get it was a kindaish scumclaim. So it feels like it boils down to shelly just made a lucky guess id she's scum.

Scum shelly couldn't have thought plus was loyal. She knew that he has a different alignment and she got the cop.

if we knew shelly was a diffrent alignment from plus why did we lynch April?

I just realized the town jjh argument isn't as strong as we made it out to be.

Mastina said no Godfathers right.

Gamma's role is essentially a one shot Godfather to the clearing attempts.

In post 189, Nero Cain wrote:if we knew shelly was a diffrent alignment from plus why did we lynch April?

Because April was the scummier of the two.

Also, we don't know that. It's just what my VCA tells me.

it boils down to if you think JJH is scum that using his ascetic claim to lurk and do shit all and maybe?

In post 191, Titus wrote:Also, we don't know that

exactly. If she was scum then she would have gotten the cop shot right? So it boils down to she correctly guessed that Plus was disloyal and eh....

like that's certainly possible but OR just says they are town b/c they didn't get a shot . AND if they are town then thats a big reason why I feel SS is scum. Like SS was trying to argue that she wasn't confirmed and that is what I'd expect from scum argue that its not a confirm and that they are still lynchable.

Math is still a solid as fuck elimination

In post 192, Nero Cain wrote:it boils down to if you think JJH is scum that using his ascetic claim to lurk and do shit all and maybe?

Yes because mastina's no Godfathers rule clearly doesn't apply.

In post 195, Nero Cain wrote:Math is still a solid as fuck elimination

Yes. I intend to write him a note explaining precisely what he has to do to avoid elimination.

In post 193, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 191, Titus wrote:Also, we don't know that

exactly. If she was scum then she would have gotten the cop shot right? So it boils down to she correctly guessed that Plus was disloyal and eh....

GDI, Nero. What are you on, mate? I have NEVER seen you acting this obtuse in the entirety of our mutual history.

Let's start with the assumption that Plus is explicitly Town (which is like, 99.99%), Now shelly can be explicitly Town too OR <any other faction that is NOT "Town" (in green)>.

IF she is Town, she got nothingm so she is telling the truth.

IF she is <any other faction that is NOT "Town" (in green)> she did get the Cop shot, and she that Plus was either Loyal or Disloyal because he had already claimed that BEFORE she responded.

Now let me remind you of the two assumptions: Plus is TOWN, shelly is NOT. Yet she DID get the Cop shot. Does she think "Yeah, he could be Loyal still and mod made a bloody mistake and delivered the Cop shot anyway"?? Or does she deduce he must be DISloyal because she DID get the shot and he is NOT a member of her faction?

Come on!

In post 194, Nero Cain wrote:like that's certainly possible but OR just says they are town b/c they didn't get a shot . AND if they are town then thats a big reason why I feel SS is scum. Like SS was trying to argue that she wasn't confirmed and that is what I'd expect from scum argue that its not a confirm and that they are still lynchable.

I did too and laid in details in the main thread. shelly is NOT confirmed in any way, shape or form. (If she was, why would I/Titus be pushing for her execution??)