Mafiascum.net

In post 151, Alianna wrote:You seem to enjoy interrogating me lol. One second.

think of it more as a discussion
sorting new players on day1 is almost always my priority
if it helps, the more you've been interacting with me, the less I've liked having my vote on you

@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

@TTTT

I dug through furtive's ISO. Not very much stood out to me, so still an overall null read.
The last part of 81 comes across townish as random wagoning benefits scum. 114 and 121 are along a similar line.
110 is questionable but could be a noob take or poor wording.
I obviously can't comment on anything related to the previous game though.

In post 173, BigTerp wrote:

In post 170, marcistar wrote:

In post 168, BigTerp wrote:

In post 161, marcistar wrote:no, r u?

??

what about it

You were directly asked if you were town. Your response was "no, r u?" Please explain.

I think you might be town B)

In post 176, TTTT wrote:@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

In post 133, TTTT wrote:it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 133, TTTT wrote:it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

In post 137, TTTT wrote:

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:
You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

In post 141, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 137, TTTT wrote:

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:
You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

whats ur readlists thn

In post 110, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 109, Mr Turtle wrote:

In post 103, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 98, Mr Turtle wrote:

In post 81, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 80, TTTT wrote:Hey furtive
can you tell me who between Alanna and PimP
has a scummier entrance so far
and why?
yeah I know it's super early
but I need to see how you are thinking

I can't really read entrances like you seem to think you can. I will say this though, it was interesting that Alianna gave some ground in 52 and 54 when I would probably have told you to get lost. Town can be self-aware as well as mafia however.

As for PP (lol), their entrance seemed (again in a self-aware way) clumsy and awkward - 'Can't delete posts, right?'.

None of this is really something I would form reads on,

I prefer to analyse after the fact.

One thing I want to make sure of in this game is that the day 1 elimination actually provides some information, rather than people ganging up on a player for something random (ofmercia flashbacks).

After what fact?

The day 1 vote will give us a flip. I will use that to analyse day 1.

In your opinion, would you say "clumsy and awkward" entrance posts are more likely to be town or mafia?

No opinion on that like I said, just giving TTTT what they wanted.

So what is your plan for day 1 while you wait for a flip?

I will probably wait for a wagon to form, then defend the person getting voted/question the people on the wagon

I understand that from the perspective of a newer player it may seem like there isn't much to go off of during day 1, but just waiting on D1 until a wagon forms doesn't help advance town in any way. D1 is usually the hardest day-phase, because it's about creating content without actually having much content to go off of. Hence why RVS is a good way to get the game started.

I don't get your point about defending the person getting voted? Will you defend them regardless of your read on them?

In post 131, furtiveglance wrote:Scratch that, I will give some very primitive reads, on order of how town I think a player is.

My biggest townread is Mr Turtle. They seem quite frank in a way that mafia might not be on day 1.

Also townlean on TTTT, seem to be trying to advance the game.

I will stay neutral on Somnus, they have said nothing about the game so far.

Lukewarm has said eww twice and nothing else, so no read.

Marci has not arrived yet - no read.

Alianna had a strange interaction with TTTT at the start, I will say no read because it wasn't really game related but could be nervous mafia or nervous town. Either way nervous

PimpPestPlay has seemed a bit blendy so far, almost like they want to be ignored in some posts. I will need more substance from them, for now it is a tentative scumlean.

BigTerp asked if I was cop in one of their first posts, which seems strange. Did they really not know I was joking about being a Rolecop? And do they really not know what the difference between Cop and Rolecop is alignment-wise? They insist on having no confusion but have given me some confusion so far. It could be that they aren't a native speaker/are new to this website/setup?
For now it's a tentative scumlean.

I'm glad you shared some initial reads. I have a couple questions though.

Why is mafia not frank on day 1?
Do you reckon that Somnus not saying anything about the game but still having a high amount of posts is alignment-indicative in any way?
Could PImPestPlay be blendy because they're new & nervous? Why are they a scum-lean?

I'm glad that you shared your reads and it makes me want to town-lean you. Some of your reasonings I don't see or agree with, but that's fine considering that it's early on and that they're bare-boned.

I'm questioning the conclusion BigTerp got in post 108.

Confusion is a tool that can be used to town's benefit. While mafia may use confusion to manipulate town to some extent, mafia doesn't like too much chaos. The more confusing the thread gets, the more room there is for scum to slip as they aren't prepared for the confusion. The mafia relies that things follow their agenda and if there is no structure, it's hard for them to fit in.

Oftentimes a quiet, structured or stagnant game means that mafia is in control of the thread. If mafia were close to being caught, they'd try to use chaos and confusion to get out of it. Obviously, if nothing confusing or actionable is happening, mafia is perfectly content with their position in the game and that's a bad sign for town.

I don't think joking or meta reads have helped mafia, really. If anything, they've helped town. Joke posts are often relaxed and authentic, something which can be harder for scum to fake. Talking about a previous games can help contextualize, to those of us who haven't played or spectated those games, about who has meta reads on each other or who has radically changed their playstyle since their last game (possibly indicating an alignment shift).

TTTT, I am not paranoid because I'm not the kind of player who automatically suspects/fearvotes any player that has won as mafia against me. You honestly seem town to me this game, and that's a gut read.

Lukewarm, if you think I'm playing differently it could be because this is a new game. The first 100 posts had a more jokey/relaxed feel. You should also bear in mind that this is my second game on the site so my playstyle is not yet formed.

Marcistar, welcome to the game. Lukewarm was getting pretty restless. I see you think I'm mafia. Hopefully either 1) I can convince you otherwise or 2) You will be revealed to be evil Mafia scum! As for the defending the day 1 wagon thing, that's in the scenario that a player I think is town is being voted. If I'm leading a vote then things will be different.

Mr Turtle, yes Mafia could also be frank on day 1. It's just that you seem almost prickly/confrontational which would be risky of mafia. Somnus does not get a scumlean from me for not saying anything game related. I don't think that would make much sense.

PimpPestPlay, what are your reads right now?

I accept BigTerp's newness as a defence for otherwise strange posts. UNVOTE: BigTerp

In post 179, Lukewarm wrote:

In post 176, TTTT wrote:@Luke - your feedback on this would be helpful
I think his last reply was reasonable
but I'm open for second opinions
it's hard to step outside myself for this one

Spoiler: Y U NO PARANOID FURTIVE?

In post 133, TTTT wrote:it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 133, TTTT wrote:it really bothers me that you aren't paranoid I'm scum again

You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

In post 137, TTTT wrote:

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:
You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

In post 141, furtiveglance wrote:

In post 137, TTTT wrote:

In post 134, furtiveglance wrote:
You're acting like I townread you in that game. I didn't, remember, you gave me bad vibes. Here you seem a bit more serious/gamesolving.

nope, your reads in that game are irrelevant
I'm having a hard time seeing how you see enough difference already to townlean me

Last game you townread a lot of people. This game you seem more investigative/paranoid/scumhunting.

I feel like his read on you is the less interesting one? I think you seem fairly townie as well, at least for this early in the game.

But his other town reads bother me after making such a big deal ALL GAME last game telling me that I was town reading people too easily. And then his "strongest town read" is turtle with his 3 total posts

Just noticed this. I told you last game you were biased towards high frequency posting, which was true. That would be if I gave Somnus a townread (I didn't). In fact I gave 2 townreads/townleans in total, out of 8 other players. The rest were either no read or scumleans.

In post 184, furtiveglance wrote:
Lukewarm, if you think I'm playing differently it could be because this is a new game. The first 100 posts had a more jokey/relaxed feel. You should also bear in mind that this is my second game on the site so my playstyle is not yet formed.

Exactly. There were 4 of us here (5 if you include Luke's 1 post) when the game started and we were mostly joking around, as well as me answering questions about the only other game I've played on-site. So I don't understand this notion that I haven't said anything game-related. Everything I've said after the first 12 hours after the game started has been game-related.

Hilariously, asking those questions apparently got you town-read, but answering them got me scum-read because logic.

Prod vote to get Pimpest active in the game.

VOTE: PimpestPlay

[quote="In post 178, marcistar"
I think you might be town B)[/quote]

You're be correct.

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

In post 183, Mr Turtle wrote:I'm questioning the conclusion BigTerp got in post 108.

Confusion is a tool that can be used to town's benefit. While mafia may use confusion to manipulate town to some extent, mafia doesn't like too much chaos. The more confusing the thread gets, the more room there is for scum to slip as they aren't prepared for the confusion. The mafia relies that things follow their agenda and if there is no structure, it's hard for them to fit in.

Oftentimes a quiet, structured or stagnant game means that mafia is in control of the thread. If mafia were close to being caught, they'd try to use chaos and confusion to get out of it. Obviously, if nothing confusing or actionable is happening, mafia is perfectly content with their position in the game and that's a bad sign for town.

I don't think joking or meta reads have helped mafia, really. If anything, they've helped town. Joke posts are often relaxed and authentic, something which can be harder for scum to fake. Talking about a previous games can help contextualize, to those of us who haven't played or spectated those games, about who has meta reads on each other or who has radically changed their playstyle since their last game (possibly indicating an alignment shift).

Like I've already said, it's not at all how I'm use to playing this game. There was and has been a lot of talk about previous games, and I now understand that's a tactic, strategy, etc for many here. Which is obviously fine. I'm just not comfortable relying on others interpretations of how a particular player is playing this game compared to previous ones. I prefer to draw my own conclusions on how everyone is currently playing. I know day 1 there is little to go on, but that's why I try to find something different or odd for me to latch into early.

As far as the confusion goes, apparently I'm the only one it causes it for, LOL!! But I disagree that confusion is better for town versus Mafia. If everyone is scrambling it's easier for mafia to nudge the votes in the direction they want without being noticed. If things are running smoothly yet votes but where Mafia wants them, it's harder for them to make that vote shift unnoticed.

I'm liking your breakdown of the game so far. You seem to belooking at posts thoroughly and providing good conversation about those posts. Feels very town like to me.

In post 186, Somnus wrote:]

Exactly. There were 4 of us here (5 if you include Luke's 1 post) when the game started and we were mostly joking around, as well as me answering questions about the only other game I've played on-site. So I don't understand this notion that I haven't said anything game-related. Everything I've said after the first 12 hours after the game started has been game-related.

Hilariously, asking those questions apparently got you town-read, but answering them got me scum-read because logic.

Why are you still at caught up on this? I thought I explained myself well in regards to my questioning previous game talk. You even previously said you accepted my "newness" for my strange posts. Yet here you are still stuck on it. Odd!!

No...I didn’t say that at all. Furtive did. You’ve either misread the game so far beyond what I thought anyone was capable of or you’re giving the laziest push as scum I’ve ever seen. I don’t care about the vote. Keep your vote on me. You explained it and stuck to your faulty logic and doubled-down.

In post 188, BigTerp wrote:[quote="In post 178, marcistar"
I think you might be town B)

You're be correct.

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?[/quote]

I...i can’t with this. Someone else deal with this.

In post 191, Somnus wrote:No...I didn’t say that at all. Furtive did. You’ve either misread the game so far beyond what I thought anyone was capable of or you’re giving the laziest push as scum I’ve ever seen. I don’t care about the vote. Keep your vote on me. You explained it and stuck to your faulty logic and doubled-down.

Ah, you're correct. My mistake. I've been playing from my phone, which is tough on this forum. Hence the accidental early post and misspellings. Not a good look either way though.

In post 192, Somnus wrote:

In post 188, BigTerp wrote:[quote="In post 178, marcistar"
I think you might be town B)

You're be correct.

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

I...i can’t with this. Someone else deal with this.[/quote]

I was serious. I don't get the joking. It's not helpful in any way.

In post 192, Somnus wrote:

In post 188, BigTerp wrote:[quote="In post 178, marcistar"
I think you might be town B)

You're be correct.

Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

I...i can’t with this. Someone else deal with this.[/quote]

I'll deal with it. BigTerp is playing like a new player. Their reads are illogical. Are they mafia? For me it's a no. People scumreading BigTerp really need to ask (if they are mafia) how would they play as town? I think this is just their strange playstyle more than anything.

Just FYI
I'm sick sick sick
been up all night puking my guts out
not thinking at my peak today
hoping tomorrow is better and I'll get back in this

In post 188, BigTerp wrote:Was your post "no, r u?" when asked if you were town just a joke post?

Yes :>

Maybe Aliannas scum..? What do you think about them?

I townread Alianna.