I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.
I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.
Has everyone sounded off already?
Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.
In post 68, whiskey delta wrote:hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that
@hutmeil
?
Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though
VOTE: Roden
Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).
Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.
Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:
UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome
VOTE: Roden
If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.
On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.
Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though
Please enlighten me on how these roles work.
Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.
If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.
Interesting.
Thanks for the role infos, that's exactly how I understood them.
My vote stays.
Additionally, this implies that you're only voting me because I voted you, and that you did so because I had more momentum on my wagon than the other person who suspects you, which makes it an opportunistic vote.
@Alianna sure. I do. But before I do, who would you eliminate right now if you theoretically had the hammer right now as at post 117?
72, please share those thoughts now.
I hope my answer is relevant to whatever you're going to say. We can't really afford to wait to share thoughts in this gamestate.
In post 165, furtiveglance wrote:I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?
Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 2:09 am
by takotsubo syndrome
@FG:
I don't understand the townread on 72.
I'm half & half about hutmeil. Gut is telling me to go after that slot, but also the fact he's newer is stopping me.
I'm ok with a townread on Delta, Alianna & greeeting tho.
I want to give more time to sort Roden out tho. Roden is often a slot that's harder for me to read even tho I have played with him mult. times.
Tidus is newer so I can see that slot being limbait, but he also hasn't done anything.
Again if Hutmeil does flip scum look after an inexperienced player/inactive player for the scum partner. Just for future reference.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 2:55 am
by the worst
Malakittens replaces takotsubo syndrome (an alt of the same user).
I don't understand the townread on 72.
I'm half & half about hutmeil. Gut is telling me to go after that slot, but also the fact he's newer is stopping me.
I'm ok with a townread on Delta, Alianna & greeeting tho.
I want to give more time to sort Roden out tho. Roden is often a slot that's harder for me to read even tho I have played with him mult. times.
Tidus is newer so I can see that slot being limbait, but he also hasn't done anything.
Again if Hutmeil does flip scum look after an inexperienced player/inactive player for the scum partner. Just for future reference.
I know you were replying to FG in this, but since they are not included in here - what are your thoughts on them so far?
In post 71, Alianna wrote:Also, irrelevant, but this is the slowest D1 I have ever endured. It's taken us around 3 days to get near the end of the third page. The other games I've been in reached this point in a matter of hours.
Slight townlean from this post.
I think town is much more frustrated with inactivity than scum. Scum thrives on town apathy.
The frustration feels genuine to me.
I disagree. Newbies very well can fake frustration and be hyperactive, even if they claim it's on purpose (13, 18). I am keeping an eye on that slot.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 10:18 am
by Malakittens
I want to hear more from others, but I feel like having three players at null is bothersome, but then again its page 8.
In post 126, Roden wrote:I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.
Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?
I’d be curious to your thoughts on the reasons hutmeil is being TR by others and where you stand on that
I'll have further things to say on Hutmeil when they respond and offer more content.
Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.
Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.
This is an interesting point. My initial response is that you earlier scumread Hutmeil and backed it up, but now seem to be acknowledging that they're townread. Do you now think they're town, or am I wrongly inferring that?
You say regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, but scum can only 'white knight' a town player, surely?
I don't think that they're town, I just understand why they're getting town read. No matter Hutmeil's actual alignment, I think the reason they're getting town read is a poor reason, since it comes from self-preservation rather than any attempts to actually analyze the player.
Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.
I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.
I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.
Has everyone sounded off already?
Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.
In post 68, whiskey delta wrote:hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that
@hutmeil
?
Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though
VOTE: Roden
Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).
Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.
Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:
UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome
VOTE: Roden
If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.
On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.
Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though
Please enlighten me on how these roles work.
Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.
If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.
Interesting.
Thanks for the role infos, that's exactly how I understood them.
My vote stays.
Additionally, this implies that you're only voting me because I voted you, and that you did so because I had more momentum on my wagon than the other person who suspects you, which makes it an opportunistic vote.
@Roden what made you feel your wagon had more momentum?
that I liked a lot. It's a good evaluation coming from what it did and just generally not a read I would expect scum to make in that spot. They are being responsive in a way that gives me the impression they are paying attention and prodding others for info. Feels Townie and probability also says they probably just are.
I liked
Greeting
early on for 41. Easy post to make for scum but still ~Townie in purpose. You can see how they are carrying the read they make on hutmeil while branching out in their responses. 182 more or less mirrors my sentiment irt Roden and I would consider this vote clearing if Roden ever flips scum.
Malakittens
is almost pure tone reading. I wasn't the biggest fan of their entrance once they replaced in but their handling of hutmeil has been more dynamic than others and I generally like their response to FG in 177. Again, simple probability means this slot is most likely Town so without any flips to readjust accordingly I feel semi-good.
hutmeil
is admittedly my leap of faith read in this situation. I am more convinced by what others have said than anything hutmeil has done in particular, but again if Roden turns up red then I would take them off the table as well.
72
got an early TL for 20 & 47 because they seem geared to generate reactions. Didn't give much when asked for content but seems to be digging in now and asking pointed questions. Holding pattern until I see more but still >rand Town.
Tidus
hasn't said much which looks ~bad but at the same time I feel like scum would try harder to look productive. 148 isn't much but might be a >Townie reaction.
Furtive
elim would be something I could compromise on. I would describe their play as present enough to avoid suspicion without really making an impact either. 63 & 69 feel a bit contrived. They are asking questions and making comments along the way which aren't overtly troublesome but gut says are off. 120 & 122 make me curious about their reasons for having Alianna as a TR in 165 which sort of reads like cheeky TMI. FG as Town along with those 5 listed means their POE would be down to Tidus, Malalt, and Roden which makes the sequence between 137 & 150 interesting in a world where Roden is scum. The mix up could be genuine but I'm more pointing out the fact that they should be considering Roden a suspect based on their own reads but seem to be voting around the wagon up to this point. Worth coming back to if there is ever a scum reveal between these two.
Roden
55 initially pinged because I didn't like how they were saying hutmeil was more likely Town but still voting them for "pressure". I feel their SR on hutmeil has developed unnaturally like they latched on early and have been backing their way into it. 123 & 124 is where I think this begins. Hutmeil doesn't say anything in 90 or 109 that implies they were voting Roden because they had more votes at the time so calling the vote opportunistic reads like false justification. 167 & 185 don't feel accurate to me irt hutmeil getting TRs. I'm not sure how he came to that conclusion but I disagree that hutmeil hasn't been analyzed or was done for self-preservation. Besides the SR on hutmeil I don't have an idea of where they are on anyone else, which in itself concerns me too. Others have said they don't recognize this play from Roden so I am willing to reconsider if needed but they are my strongest SR at this point and I would be fine eliminating if the deadline was today.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 12:56 pm
by Roden
Whiskey, how exactly does that make me scum? It sounds more like you just don't like the way I'm wording things than anything.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 12:58 pm
by Roden
Friendly reminder that you're supposed to vote for mafia, not people who sound bad.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 1:11 pm
by whiskey delta
It really has nothing to do with your phrasing and everything to do with the arguments you are making to SR hutmeil. If hutmeil is Town then you appear to be scum fabricating a case against them. Your reasons justifying your vote while discrediting the TRs on hutmeil don’t make sense to me. The fact it’s so against the grain does give me some measure of pause, however.
If I am just mixed up because my comprehension sucks that is something I can accept but if that is the case, maybe help me out and present your case against hutmeil again in a few sentences that detail everything? And any other things that have stood out to you so far
In post 165, furtiveglance wrote:I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?
Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?
It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.
Greeting
: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.
Malakittens
: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!
hutmeil
: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.
whiskey delta
: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.
Alianna
: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.
72offsuit
: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.
Tidus of the X
: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.
Roden
: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.
Any thoughts appreciated.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 1:17 pm
by Roden
There isn't much else going on, Hutmeil answered the prod then disappeared again. There are several people defending them, but they aren't really doing anything to defend themself. If it gives you pause that I'm "going against the grain", then you should be questioning why Hutmeil simply isn't playing and is staying silent as you all attack me.
Also, how exactly am I discrediting the town reads on Hutmeil? What did I say that was incorrect?
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 1:18 pm
by Roden
In post 194, whiskey delta wrote:If hutmeil is Town then you appear to be scum fabricating a case against them.
In post 165, furtiveglance wrote:I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?
Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?
It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.
Greeting
: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.
Malakittens
: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!
hutmeil
: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.
whiskey delta
: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.
Alianna
: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.
72offsuit
: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.
Tidus of the X
: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.
Roden
: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.
Any thoughts appreciated.
I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.
Posted: Mon May 30, 2022 1:28 pm
by Alianna
Objection: I wasn't just talking about mechanics, I was using mechanics to townread hutmeil. Is that not analysis?
