Mini 644 - Meerkat Manor Mafia (Game Over!)

[ClockworkRuse]

ClockworkRuse, in your third post of the game, you threw an FoS on not only me but two of the people bandwagoning me. In addition, two votes isn't a lot of pressure—it's actually a bit on the safe side in the random voting stage. In my opinion, though, for three votes on the same person (in a mini, anyway), you need a good reason; however, I think we pretty much agreed to disagree on this point.

...Why are we still discussing the random voting stage at this point?

Because you brought it up. You said you were going to watch me because of 'panicky actions'and I asked why. So it is

you

using that stage as as leverage, not I.

You're killing me here Rhinox. Go back and look at ClockWorks posts and see who is the one digging for Power Roles.

There is no more flavor in your pm in that? Nothing at all that might separate you from scum?

Well after some research i did on the show Zaphod is the head meerkats husband if that means anything. if anyone else has a counterclaim go for it.

That's not from your role PM, so no that doesn't help. And at this point a counter-claim could be very bad in my opinion.

Is there

any

flavor in your PM besides what you've posted?

Bolded by me.

You see, MM already claimed, and Clock is still voting MM. I interpret Clock pressing for more flavor as sort of saying "are you sure thats all you've got, because thats not enough of a reason to back off". I don't view looking for more flavor out of a claim as hunting for power roles - what I do view as hunting for power roles is looking for lots of role claims.

Thank you. At least someone in here has half a brain, no offense Ecto. You really need to weigh the possibilities of things before you post.

Here is the EXACT REASONING I used when looking at his claim, or any claim for that matter;

1. Is there anything from this that is different from the post at the beginning of the game?
2. Is there anything in this claim that would make be feel that pushing for a lynch isn't safe?
3. Is there anything in the claim that isn't believable?

As he posted all the information given in the first post, I had to at least PUSH for a little bit more. Anything he had that could save him from a lynch.


Let me say this, and I've said it before in a few games.

I hate pushing mislynches.

I understand that it's impossible not to as I have no idea what anyone's role is, but I just feel disgusting after I do it. It's the reason I suck as scum and it's the reason I wanted at least something else to go off of.

I'm going to go ahead and

Vote: MafiaMann

. If we assume that the random voting stage stopped with my self-vote, which most of us seem to, then his voting me out of appeasement and for his inability to spell ClockworkRuse's name, which happened after said self-vote, makes no sense. When he finally did vote ClockworkRuse at post #145, he failed to give a reason. I'm sorry, but lame excuses, a lack of reasoning, and popping your head in and out of the game is scummy.

I find ClockworkRuse somewhat believable, especially later on, but

IGMEOY: ClockworkRuse

anyway for his earlier, somewhat panicky actions.

if/when clock flips scum, I know exactly where my vote is going next.

So, the lurker decides to speak? And exactly what is your reasoning for suspecting me? Because a possible scum is keeping his eye on me?


@Johnny-Boy, The case on Mafiamann is not that he couldn't spell 'Clock' or that he was trying to start a wagon. Because first, he didn't start a wagon he joined one. This is opportunistic voting. Then there are two cases of appeasment against him as he only voted because someone said not voting in the RVS is scummy and how he unvoted when his vote was called into question. His claim is basically vanilla, which I can't exactly buy as it's pretty much the exact same thing as it is on the front page.


No, I am not cleared. Don't ever assume that I am. SC was not in danger of being lynched but by questioning that wagon we found Mafiamann.

For the counter-claim; It is known that scum have safe-claims. If counter-claiming would out a power-role, I think that would be very bad. Do you not agree? I decided I didn't want to see anyone take that chance.

If Zaphod wants to counter-claim, go ahead. I'll give it one day [real time, not game time] before I state anything else on the matter.

I'll have more information later, I have to leave soon as it is.

[Cass]

Huh? In what situation is a counter claim even possible? Waiting for that just makes no sense...

[StrangerCoug]

ClockworkRuse, in your third post of the game, you threw an FoS on not only me but two of the people bandwagoning me. In addition, two votes isn't a lot of pressure—it's actually a bit on the safe side in the random voting stage. In my opinion, though, for three votes on the same person (in a mini, anyway), you need a good reason; however, I think we pretty much agreed to disagree on this point.

...Why are we still discussing the random voting stage at this point?

Because you brought it up. You said you were going to watch me because of 'panicky actions'and I asked why. So it is

you

using that stage as as leverage, not I.

I didn't say you were using the random voting stage as a leverage. I said we were still discussing it at this late point in Day 1, and I used the word "we" because I knew I was doing so and I'm certainly not talking to a wall.

For the counter-claim; It is known that scum have safe-claims. If counter-claiming would out a power-role, I think that would be very bad. Do you not agree? I decided I didn't want to see anyone take that chance.

If Zaphod wants to counter-claim, go ahead. I'll give it one day [real time, not game time] before I state anything else on the matter.

Why are you asking a specific player to counterclaim?

FoS: ClockworkRuse

[ClockworkRuse]

Huh? In what situation is a counter claim even possible? Waiting for that just makes no sense...

A counter-claim might be possible. Read the rules and you'll understand.


And I'm asking for the role named Zaphod to counterclaim if there is one. It's not a player in this game, as you can see from any vote-count. If there is a counter-claim they should speak up now unless they have a power-role.

[The Bored Woodsman]

/in to replace the guy that dropped out

[Cass]

I read the rules. What I got from them, is that a name-counter claim will never happen. And a vanilla counter claim would be... funny

[MafiaMann]

Is anyone else a bit worried about how careless clock is about lynching a pro town player. He was just like eh thats vanilla lets lynch. I think the name itself is important.

[The Bored Woodsman]

I've finally had time to look over this.

From what I can tell, MafiaMann is almost certainly engaging in opportunistic voting. He originally votes for StrangerCoug after SC self-votes himself, then changes his vote under pressure. When asked to explain his decisions, his reasoning pretty much sucks. His latest attack pretty much smacks of "oh, I can't think of a good role, so I'll try to divert attention" So with confidence at this stage, I can safel

vote:MafiaMann

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[curiouskarmadog]

So, the lurker decides to speak? And exactly what is your reasoning for suspecting me? Because a possible scum is keeping his eye on me?

well this is a OMGUS statement if I have ever seen one..I am hardly a lurker...it is how he made the statement and his actions toward you that has him and you on my radar(noting yet another FOS). Also I dont like your continued probing of the claim.

I've finally had time to look over this.

vote:MafiaMann

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wtf? then why vote? why note wait till you have had time to read?

[The Bored Woodsman]

So, the lurker decides to speak? And exactly what is your reasoning for suspecting me? Because a possible scum is keeping his eye on me?

well this is a OMGUS statement if I have ever seen one..I am hardly a lurker...it is how he made the statement and his actions toward you that has him and you on my radar(noting yet another FOS). Also I dont like your continued probing of the claim.

I've finally had time to look over this.

vote:MafiaMann

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wtf? then why vote? why note wait till you have had time to read?

Excuse me? I meant to say I didn't have time earlier. However, I now do have time, and I'm almost certain that my vote is the right one.

[curiouskarmadog]

no no, you did state and I even quoted "Ive finally had time"..for some reason I read that as, "I havent had time"...

disregard my last post to you...sorry

[The Bored Woodsman]

no no, you did state and I even quoted "Ive finally had time"..for some reason I read that as, "I havent had time"...

disregard my last post to you...sorry

Alright. I'm not one to FoS for poor reading comprehension. MM on the other hand....well, I've already explained my reasons, so I won't do it again. But I think bad spelling would be the least of such reasons.

[Rishi]

The sentries start issuing warning calls. A fearsome predator has been spotted in a nearby tree, eyeing the poor meerkats with a hungry eye. It is a goshawk, and any one of the meerkats would make a fine snack.

The goshawk attacks!

Poor Shakespeare is caught in its path. The rest of the meerkats scurry to bolt holes, but Shakespeare is not afraid! If he could survive an attack from a puff adder, then the goshawk is nothing to fear.

The goshawk swoops down, catching poor little Shakespeare in its talons. But Shakespeare is ferocious and he won’t go down without a fight! He bites and claws at the goshawk.

The goshawk has picked the wrong meerkat to snack on today. As Shakespeare fights the brave fight, the goshawk and Shakespeare both tumble to Earth, landing with a thud. The camera pans in on both their bodies, lying still in the Kalahari sands.

The Bored Woodsman, Shakespeare the Martyr, Whiskers, Eaten by Goshawk Day 1

ClockworkRuse, Goshawk, Predator, Killed by Shakespeare Day 1

It is still Day 1. With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Vote Count

MafiaMann – 4 (wolframnhart, muffinhead, Bogre, StrangerCoug)
Bogre – 1 (Cass)

Not voting: Rhinox, curiouskarmadog, MafiaMann, Ectomancer, jonathantan86

[StrangerCoug]

Whoa! Daykills? Didn't see

THAT

coming.

[Rishi]

Prodding wolframnhart.

[wolframnhart]

Ah sorry sorry I here, lots going on and I realize i need to keep up.

I'm going to

unvote Mafiamann

for now due to the fact that it seems to have been scum driven since clock turned to be a predator. I still don't quite like Mafia's play so far, but for now I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[curiouskarmadog]

woah so what just happened?...so was Clock part of the mafia or something else? (confused)..like a SK maybe?

[StrangerCoug]

Ah sorry sorry I here, lots going on and I realize i need to keep up.

I'm going to

unvote Mafiamann

for now due to the fact that it seems to have been scum driven since clock turned to be a predator. I still don't quite like Mafia's play so far, but for now I am giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Can you give any additional reasons as to why you think the wagon on MafiaMann is scum-driven?

[Ectomancer]

Whoa! Daykills? Didn't see

THAT

coming.

Nor did I, nor the martyr role (bomb?). Was Clock hoping to further set MafiaMan up by daykilling the guy who put the latest vote on him? Especially if he could argue that MM is probably the DayVig and made a kill while he still had a chance. (I think he was at L-1)

The question now is whether Ectomancer was setting up a bus on Clock. He seemed very determined that he "found" scum on some weak flavor hunting/power role hunting excuse.



What sucks is that I now question whether Clock and MM have been bussing this entire time. I just cant line up the daykill on the replacement player within a few posts of him showing up, unless he was just tossing in his daykill today to create Chaos. I cant think that he thought my case would really gain traction

today

and so he wanted to burn his daykill while he could. It makes me believe his action was a deliberate strategy, and not simply a panicked reaction to pressure.

[StrangerCoug]

The question now is whether Ectomancer was setting up a bus on Clock. He seemed very determined that he "found" scum on some weak flavor hunting/power role hunting excuse.

Uh, hello? Why are you referring to yourself in the third person while describing your own scummy actions?

It's only a bus if you and ClockworkRuse were scum on the same side, by the way. If Clock was a serial killer, then the bussing argument doesn't apply.

[Ectomancer]

woah so what just happened?...so was Clock part of the mafia or something else? (confused)..like a SK maybe?

I dont know. The mod used the plural of predator(s) in the opening statement, as well as warning to watch out for commandoes. There are so many things I could speculate on, just from the fact that it was a daykill, or that even though this is a small game, we could still be looking at 2 scum groups of 2 players each.
Even if Clock was an SK, I still don't fathom his move. I also dont see it as a good strategy to bus your partner if there are 2 scum groups. So why exactly did he do what he did?

[Ectomancer]

The question now is whether Ectomancer was setting up a bus on Clock. He seemed very determined that he "found" scum on some weak flavor hunting/power role hunting excuse.

Uh, hello? Why are you referring to yourself in the third person while describing your own scummy actions?

It's only a bus if you and ClockworkRuse were scum on the same side, by the way. If Clock was a serial killer, then the bussing argument doesn't apply.

Yes I am, and it could still be bussing if we have 2 scum groups of 2. It may not be a good strategy to bus your partner if there are only 2 of you, like I said, but I've been known to play gambits before.

[Ectomancer]

Oh, you asked Why, not Are you.

I stated it that way because I would be asking that question myself if I were not me.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm willing to buy that The Bored Woodsman and ClockworkRuse were bomb and SK respectively for the time being, seeing as it's the only thing that makes sense to me at this point.

Killing the player that just replaced in was awfully opportunistic of Clock, too.

[Cass]

I'd think, flavor-wise, that the predator(s) are serial killer-like roles. Birds don't tend to work in groups. So bussing seesm out of the question. Looks like Clock was trying to set someone up and he underestimated the meerkat (It did make for an awesome deathscene!)

So looking for connections seems pointless. It doesn't clear MM either, not at all. Killing a townie

and

a competitor would be double profit for an SK.