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God in heaven I cant fight this fight if you're going to flop over and die.

LOOK at how these wagons formed. Look at luffys smarm ass smarm about this.

Trevor vote Luffy. Lowman stop being a derp and vote Luffy.

GET THIS THROUGH before it turns into another stupid lynch and then low and behold next lynch everyone gets pussyfooted about lynching Luffy.

Forget Luffy, he's town.

SpyreX, do you actually think Luffy is scum? Or are you just pushing lynches because you feel like it?

I think luffy is scum. That fake triteness after the T-Bone lynch is garbage. Posting absolutely diametric statements and going WELP ITS JUTS A PLAY TELL is garbage.

Even more importantly, this game who hasn't blinked about ANYTHING got megacold feet and that is aaaabsolute garbage.

Let's start a bandwagon.

VOTE: NS

lowman (7): amrun, luffy, PeregrineV, petapan, TechnoWC, Nobody special, Lowman

Look at this damn wagon.

Death, Death, Death, Drunk, Scumclaim on Luffy Scum, Dumb, DUMB.

YESSIR

Oh, fine, whatever.





SPYREX: THOUGHTS ON LOWMAN AND UBERNINJA PLEASE.

Lowman has to die, but is probably town.
UN is a decent shot for scum.

is luffy done or is that L-1?

Really? Read the damn votecount.

Sorry I haven't posted yet guys!

Back on Day 1: The end of 1175, or T-Bone's points about Luffy, make a lot of sense. This continues in 1176. Actually, page 48 is a whole lot of T-Bone making sense.

↑ Elmo TeH AzN wrote:

↑ Chevre wrote:Okay. You have my attention. Now why did you want it?
That Negative Nancy mentality isn't going to help additionally.
And that italicized line: it doesn't sound like something a town-sided player would say.

So you can get my wagon rolling. At this fucking point it's all mudslinging back and forth this day needs to end

so let me get this straight: You want to be lynched, simply so this day can end and a new day can begin? I'm confused.

I understand kondi2424 has a reputation elsewhere on the site, but given our ineffectiveness so far we cannot lynch someone because of that alone.

I'm not sure how to respond to the imaginality kill. She only 2/10s of the way through her reads, I don't know if that indicates anything at all.

I never ever got the T-Bone wagon. On Day 2 it seemed like a lot of the votes were fueled by his spat with Amrun, but that didn't really seem indicative of alignment. SpyreX's complete 180 in 1314 is very fishy though.

↑ Hoopla wrote:

↑ Zajnet wrote:
VOTE: Hoopla for this:

↑ Hoopla wrote:What...

Only one death? Strange.

You know I'm not a newbie, right? I kinda know that tell already.

If you know that it's a tell, then you know it's likely to garner some attention. Obviously, 1 kill in a 50-player game is strange. Why did you make that post, Hoopla?

The lyncher scare on pages 55 and 56 is so strange. I can say I wouldn't fall for it, but I wasn't there so I'll never know. I feel as though there is some sort of analysis begging to be done on those posts. On one readthrough I feel like I found a few things:

↑ MattP wrote:

↑ Trevor wrote:Did anyone actually FOS T-bone? People were just voting him because they thought it was inevitable.

I thought T-bone was scum. I am a VT.

MattP says "I am a VT" instead of "I was a VT." In retrospect that seems really minor, but it jumped out to me, so I'd thought I'd note it.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Oh god this is turning out bad.

I was trolling. Don't claim.

FUCK YEA. I knew it. You were role fishing too much. "Oh, so who was really scum?" "What other third parties were out there".

↑ Luffy wrote:

I almost outed myself as scum too.

However, as Trevor has already noted, these posts reek of "YES! I'm scum who was not fooled by kondi's tricks!"

Hoopla's setup speculation in 1456 is marvelous and I'm not sure why it is getting a lot of hate. I mean I understand that setup discussion is generally discouraged, but this is something that has never been done before. Hoopla's perspective is a good start, even though it could be completely and totally off.

Page 59. Trollie votes UN, but the moment UN defends theirself, he hops off. UN was under much scrutiny Day 1; it could be that Trollie was looking for a safe place to put his vote but the lack of support + UN's defense scared him away.

↑ MattP wrote:
Perhaps players that have tried to keep their hands clean (not be on any mislynches) should be ISOd. There are about ten of them.

As someone who has not been on any mislynch wagon, I don't know what I think about this. My immediate reaction was that this was the complete opposite of the truth: In my opinion, all of the lynches so far (except maybe The Mini-Librarian's) have made little sense. However, I guess there are really strange players, such as Nobody Special, who haven't been on a lynch yet. I would conclude by saying this a good venture; one I may pursue if it get the time. Obviously someone else would have to do me.

explain your vote in 1524.

I've been thinking about Callforjudgment's votecounts ever since they've started. At first I thought he looked town because of them and the effort he put in to do them, but then he revealed that there was a bet involved or something. Anyway, he's obligated to do them, so I think it's a null tell.

↑ Zdenek wrote:
I'd be up for policy lynching MoS because he is intentionally playing in a way that makes him impossible to read, and he is doing nothing,

QFT.

↑ UberNinja wrote:luffy's town. so that's 1 or 2 ot of amrun, elmo, and peregrine who are scum

bank on it

If you think Luffy's town...why are you not looking at the Luffy wagon for scum?

Suspicions:
I will vote Luffy. I say "will" because SpyreX recently posted and if I vote he'll vote and I won't get a chance to say why I think this is a good wagon.
Nobody Special has been really fishy. He hasn't been on many wagons at all, and he posts rarely even though I know he's more active than that.
He's choosing not to make any content at all, and I feel he's scum who is easily heading towards a win and is going to rationalize this as "scum's best strategy was to lurk herp derp" I think this would make a nice target for Elli's daykill that she supposedly has.
Don't see merit in lynching PeregrineV or LowMan ATM.
UberNinja, Elmo TeH AzN, kondi2424, YYR, and Milk are still worthwile ventures but I'd rather see what Luffy flips.
I'm a little bit suspicious of Amrun, funkybike1, SpyreX, TheTrollie, and Hoopla.

Luffy case and vote coming soon!

↑ Chevre wrote:Elmo TeH AzN: so let me get this straight: You want to be lynched, simply so this day can end and a new day can begin? I'm confused.

Yeah I wanted to die so the day could just end.

↑ Amrun wrote:Elmo, vote for Lowman.

↑ Chevre wrote:Elmo TeH AzN explain your vote in 1524.

Whoops reverse the last 2

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ T-Bone wrote:THIS. So much this. Can the 'One-Line Post Peanut Gallery' stop posting or perhaps...and bare with me, this is a crazy idea...stop posting or GASP scumhunt. Either or would be fine.

OMG…. *GASP*.

How do you prefer people should scumhunt, sir? By taking random.org, generating random numbers, and then blocking them? Excellent technique, I must say.

This post seems like useless snark directed towards T-Bone. One-line posting ISN'T useful. And that point, I could see reasoning for thinking everyone in his town voting block was town, and some of those reasons still persist.

↑ Luffy wrote:Oh look, a wagon I can jump on.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: T-bone

I still want UberNinja lynched. If this fails, I'm hopping back.

Later on, Luffy calls out T-Bone for sporadically jumping on wagons. Also: I did not see Luffy ever rationalize his initial vote for UberNinja.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ UberNinja wrote:i'm saying what the oracle would say were she here: you need to make up your damn mind

what you are saying is inconsistent and thus puts you on *my* witch burning list

Unvote; Vote: Luffy

This is the conversation:

Uber: Blah blah blah. People shouldn't be justifying their votes Day1. More scummy stuff. Whatever.
Me: *votes*
T-bone: *votes Uber out of nowhere*
T-bone: Lalala. Let me throw these weird random.org blocks out there.
Me: o.O *votes T*
Uber: Oh lookie! He's voting the person who was voting with him against me! He must be scum!

You're suggesting that because T-bone was also agreeing with me on your vote, that I should see him as innocent? When he didn't justify his vote at all? Nor any of his lists? No, the enemy of my enemy is

not

my friend. You are not both mutually scummy. It's independent cases.

Where is my inconsistency? For saying both of you are scummy?

More bringing up the "random" voting blocks.

↑ Luffy wrote:Techno, thoughts on Milk please. And why you decided to first say that moneybags is scummy, then say that you think Milk is more scummy, but still end up voting money.

This is a very random out of the blue request. Luffy had not mentioned Milk AT ALL before this post.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ Muffin Wednesday wrote:Think about it this way; is there any situation where SpyreX is town and T-Bone is scum?

Why, I can think of so many:

1) Spy and T-bone are Neighbors, and T-bone has "convinced" Spy that he is town.
2) Spy has confused a Neighborhood and a Mason group, and thinks that in the former, all people are guaranteed to be town.
3) T-bone hacked Spy's account.
4) Spy is a townie who genuinely believes that T-bone is town, when he is truly not.
5) Spy is just doing this so he can get an alternative lynch in other than T-bone.
6) Spy was first town, then he got day-culted, and is now under T-bone's control.
7) Spy is trolling us.

Yea, I think I'll stop trying now But some of those make sense!

Note how eager Luffy is to rationalize this here...

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ Hoopla wrote:What...

Only one death? Strange.

One scum team might have withheld so it will look like that we don't have multiscum, or the different scum groups cannot kill on the same nights (ex, one is on even days, the other on odd days). I am not ready to believe that we have just one big huge scum group yet.

...but he can't even consider the possibility of one scumteam!

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ theamatuer wrote:alternative: scumteam too slow to send kill
thoughts?

Agree with kondi. Not a whole scumteam (unless they have shit luck or something). Maybe a SK or something.

And this too. It seems like he agrees with every reason against there being one scumteam. As someone said, it's unlikely that NO ONE was on within the 24-hour time period.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Oh god this is turning out bad.

I was trolling. Don't claim.

FUCK YEA. I knew it. You were role fishing too much. "Oh, so who was really scum?" "What other third parties were out there".

↑ Luffy wrote:

I almost outed myself as scum too.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ Trevor wrote:FUCK YEA HE DIDNT CATCH ME THOUGH - Luffy

I know, I'm too smart

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ Staeg wrote:

↑ LowMan wrote:Oh, FFS.

Someone deserves rope for that...

And is lucky I'm not a role with a kill ability.

VOTE: Kondi2424

Luffy came out as bad in this gambit, not kondi.

Oh yea, totally bad. I almost claimed scum

The above posts are all, as I said in my previous post, "YAY I'M SCUM WHO DIDN'T FALL FOR THIS GAMBIT. HAHA" This celebration of sorts doesn't look town-motivated at all.

↑ Luffy wrote:Oh cool. I'll be hiding in a corner from now on. Right down to your left if you need me. Which everyone should prob forget about me. Like, forget I'm playing for the next few game days.

And this looks like scum who realizes they were horribly obviously advocating a lynch they knew was a mislynch, and doesn't want to be under scrutiny.

↑ Luffy wrote:ISOs of random people, from my little hiding corner:

Fritz - null leaning towards scummy
Trollie - scummy
manho- townie
Zdenek- scummy. Too much snipping from the sidelines and fence-sitting.
Milk- scummy. Too much deflection.
funkybike- null leaning towards scummy out of too much nullness
syndrome- swingy/null. Can go both ways really.
Chronopie- leaning towards scum. Seems to have too much fake contribution.
Elmo- swingy
amatuer- leaning towards town
Chevre- null leaning towards town. Has some tl:dr -__-
dramonic- 3 posts, two are random votes, and one is asking about game mechanics. Screams scum. But then again, too few posts to actually judge.
sykedoc- Null leaning towards town.
NS- Null

Most are pretty much the combo of gut and skimming of ISO.

Luffy talks of T-Bone making "random" blocks, when he randomly ISOs a smattering of people, and doesn't really provide much information on them. No quotes or anything. :/ Plus why ISO me and then say my posts are too long?

↑ Luffy wrote:Hey, can someone who is bored do ISO Zdenek, Trollie, and Chronopie, and give thoughts please? I think all 3 can fit the flying under radar scum profile.

He then posts this, which given his lack of clarity or reasoning on his reads in the previous random ISO, looks like an attempt to get someone to form suspiicions on these three and be like "OH! I totally saw that on my readthrough. Vote soandso"

↑ Luffy wrote:

This is preposterous. Can I please get a decent argument for my suspicion? I can't even grasp why I'm being wagoned. Like, at all. I can't defend against air. You're giving me nothing to work with, and I'm suppose to look townish? The only person who actually gave me something was Techno, and I answered all of his accusations, which turned out pretty horrible, and I think he sensed that literarly >90% of them were trolololsucky.

Whatever. Lynch me. But please do lynch Syprex after. Because I'm done with his bs. "Oh, let me just throw out baseless reads out there. Call T-bone town. Call Luffy scummy. Call UN scummy. Amrun scummy. And the funny thing, is no one is catching on!"

Oh wait. Nvm.

Try

lynching me.

↑ Luffy wrote:
But really, I'm not getting lynched. No really, it won't happen. Try it. You'll fail

^

↑ BBmolla wrote:Bleh. Luffy is the one person on that wagon I'm unsure of because I had them as town before. That Lowman vote was awful though.

Please ISO Lowman and tell me how he didn't manage to go from null to scummy in seconds:

He came on, and jumped on the T-bone wagon >>> "T-bone is at L-2 I believe after my vote. Let's see more votes people." Pretty hard pushing there. >>> Jumped on Kondi for the gambit, saying "Someone deserves rope for that", and if he was vig, he would kill him >>> Retracts, saying he overreacted, and jumps on Red, saying "And based on my own past experience with him, I'm fine with a redFF PL even if he's town. In a game this big we can still afford plenty of VT mislynches"

Rope, please.

↑ Luffy wrote:

↑ SpyreX wrote:Matt,

Luffy is the kind of lynch that if I cant get it through RIGHT NOW its going to take the moons aligning for it to happen again. Work with me and we can make something beautiful. UN, Amrun, Kondi? Dead.

I'm right about this one we can start running roughshod and forge a masterpiece through fire and flames.

Kondi is on drugs and needs to go. I'd say hes more likely t o be town than luffy but work with me it doesnt matter. Theyre all deaddd

Do you not see that (a) you don't have the momentum to lynch me and (b) you have shitty reasons for pushing my lynch (if you have reasons at all, which I must have missed somewhere).

I'm not getting lynched. Live with it. And if it makes you feel any better, you would've lynched a townie anyways.

Also, don't deceive yourself into thinking that you ever gained the spark to get a lynch on me. You never did, and you never will as long as you keep up with your bad reasoning (not that I blame you; I really don't have a lot to condemn me, so you have to work extra hard to come up with the bad reasoning).

If you still want to push the lynch, then go ahead and rally the troops. I'm going to put you on ignore till you stop the bs. Then maybe you can refocus your attention on actually scumhunting; of course, assuming you are town. Which is becoming more and more less likely.

These posts read like the speech of a villain at the end of movie, who is caught, and frustrated, but is like all "you'll never catch me!" There is a TV Trope for what I'm saying, I'm sure, but I don't know what it is off the top of my head. Anyway, he is super smarmy and a big part of his defense as to why he shouldn't be lynched is because it isn't possible. What???

I realize that this is a lot of quotes, but I wanted to rationalize why I was voting Luffy.



But if you died...then you wouldn't be around for day 2...Explain your motivations in a more specific way. Also, you were purposefully sheeping Amrun?

Chevre, you are just throwing as much random shit as you can at Luffy. You don't even explain for most of the stuff why he is scum, he just does something that is evidently scum. Nothing here is a "scumtell". If you actually say "this looks like scum because...", you refrain from mentioning, "but it could still be town, since both scum and town can do this". You didn't even have to write up all this crap, just vote him since he will be lynched anyways.

I did feel like the case was very rushed and ramshackle; maybe ISOing him and quoting the scummy parts was not the best manner of presenting my case. But I still feel he is scummy. Let me try again:

A) He accuses T-Bone of baseless votes and votehopping, yet does it himself. He doesn't provide any reasoning as to why he is voting UberNinja, he just does. And then he hops back and forth between T-Bone and UberNinja. T-Bone and Luffy are not the only ones doing this, that is for sure, but Luffy is being hypocritical when he calls out another person. Even still, he is not the only person doing this, but this is not the only reason I am voting him.
B) He calls out T-Bone's lists as random, especially the town voting block. However, they don't appear that random to me; At that time, I could see reasoning for why everyone in his block could be considered town (Amrun and SpyreX make less sense now).
C) Luffy's posts immediately following the revelation that the lynchers are not real feel like scum celebrating. I don't think town would react that way.
D) 1429. With the combination of his reaction the lynchers and the T-Bone flip, this looks like scum wanting to avoid scrutiny for his glaring fumbles.
E) His posts when his bandwagon is beginning. Most of it is "you simply can't lynch me," which is a very odd position to take. I don't get how town could be so confident that they aren't going to be lynched.

I don't feel the need to mention that both town and scum could do everything Luffy did. That's obvious. In fact, 4 townies have been lynched, which means that everything they were scummy for could be done by a town-sided player. I'm not saying that everything is 100% certain; however, I feel that Luffy's play has been very scummy.

And I stated that I didn't want to just vote him without explaining myself. There really wasn't a true case, but I felt like the stuff was out there to produce one, and it is. So I made it.

chevre reeks of scum who was hiding under the radar, then finds a wagon to hop on but feels he needs to overjustify the vote

VOTE: chevre

↑ Trevor wrote:Everything bolded, Zdenek.

His town list is a pretty shitty reason to think that he's town.

↑ kondi2424 wrote:Misinformed implies town. The scum know themselves, and are therefore informed.

But clearly you weren't thinking as deeply as I was. VOTE: BB

Why are you assuming that there is only one scum team?

I'm not moving my vote.

↑ Chevre wrote:Elmo: But if you died...then you wouldn't be around for day 2...Explain your motivations in a more specific way. Also, you were purposefully sheeping Amrun?

I asked who I should be voting for or something along that. And I know I wouldn't be around. TBH theres a lot of people in this game and to many for me to care about this yet

↑ dramonic wrote:

unvote
vote: luffy

What a great post, after lurking hardcore, you pop in to vote the largest wagon with no content!