Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:31 pm
SG: If I have sorted someone and their posts are otherwise devoid of interesting content, what is the problem with skimming, exactly?
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Do you think both are town? I cannot see that happening, so I say we just lynch Mac today and lynch AJ tomorrow if Mac flips town.
It really could be either. I would say most players in this game are guilty of not trying to figure out the game, myself included.In post 1751, zMuffinMan wrote:i mean i suppose you could argue squirrel girl is doing scum hunting here but i don't think she really is. it looks more like she is trying to get on people's good sides and be friends with everybody than it looks like someone trying to figure out the game
I did fathom the idea of rolefishing btw, but the fact that he claimed his action was successful even though he knows he was RBd proves he wasn't thinking clearly. Why would someone who was RBd claim to have gotten a result knowing they were going to be immediately shut down? I have seen scum fake innocents on their partners before. You think I am stupid to even consider such an idea but anyone dismissing it completely is also stupid. Scum do stupid things in the heat of the moment when they don't have time to think.In post 1748, zMuffinMan wrote:@squirrel girl
this is the last line i read from jake before i decided "nope, just not worth interacting with him ever"jake wrote:Smp knowing he was blocked had to either guess lucky or try and clear a partner
he literally thinks it's a smart move for scum who was blocked to claim a result on a partner anyway
and he cannot fathom the concept of rolefishing
and thinks that SMP's only option was to guess lucky when someone claimed a role block on him
i cannot possibly take anything he says seriously if he thinks this makes sense. it is quite possibly the worst reasoning i've ever seen for someone calling me scum and i have been called scum for talking like a pirate. i thought that was the lowest point it could get to, but jake is going for the record here.
so i will not be reading any of his posts anymore. i have to put up with him this game until one of us dies (and god knows he's never going to be night killed) so i am just going to ignore anything he writes
i find it disingenuous that you suggest i am fueling the wagon on him because everything i wrote quite clearly indicates i do not want to lynch him in spite of how much of a liability i think he is. i also think you're playing diplomat here as a form of buddying up to him because i do not believe you could honestly think he hasn't been the initiator in everything that's happened here (i did not insult him prior to him going on about how everyone else was being useless, i don't think anyone else did either). i think you're scum trying to paint the people attacking jake in a bad light
I understand this - indeed, I discussed his case with him and my thoughts as pertains to it, and what you're describing here is exactly in line with my own presented thoughts. I don't see though how that prevents interaction on a polite level.In post 1748, zMuffinMan wrote:he literally thinks it's a smart move for scum who was blocked to claim a result on a partner anyway
and he cannot fathom the concept of rolefishing
and thinks that SMP's only option was to guess lucky when someone claimed a role block on him
And I have continually expressed that my issue is that you are needling him and I consider that to be a sideways attempt to create bad reactions from him, and I think those bad reactions could lead to him being lynched.In post 1748, zMuffinMan wrote:i find it disingenuous that you suggest i am fueling the wagon on him because everything i wrote quite clearly indicates i do not want to lynch him in spite of how much of a liability i think he is.
Which is why I'm calling you a town read, also trying to buddy with Aegor, and am pushing a lynch on HKC or Mac, neither of whom are part of this discussion.In post 1748, zMuffinMan wrote:i think you're scum trying to paint the people attacking jake in a bad light
Because you miss the chance for new information.In post 1750, Aegor wrote:SG: If I have sorted someone and their posts are otherwise devoid of interesting content, what is the problem with skimming, exactly?
I have expressed that belief. In all honesty, I'm not particularly comfortable with this lynch and I'm backing a middle of the road read as a lynch candidate right now, but I'd like to get a claim on the table with at least a day or so to debate and decide an alternative if needed.In post 1754, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't think they are both town (although i'd be interested in seeing if anyone does think that)
Why does AegorIn post 1724, Jake from State Farm wrote:Kdub - I'm challenging you now to make a compelling argument for aegor scum. Explain how they make sense with smp.
...In post 1733, Squirrel Girl wrote:I've seen other Aegor games. This does not feel unusual in the grand scope of his playstyle. Now, I suppose we could debate whether it's a good playstyle, sure, but I think you're making a really shallow case here that is, functionally, no better than an RVS vote. Yeah, he might flip scum - but you aren't showing any real evidence to suggest he's scum, so why are you so attached to that vote?
In post 1730, Aegor wrote:The second one. I definitely bolded the right part.You bolded the wrong part, and you didn't explain anything. Unless you are admitting that you are simply trying to set up my/Mac's lynch on future days?
I'll be honest, I am sucking this game. I am not strongly confident in any single scum read. I'm quite comfortable with my town reads on Jake and Anti, and BRO is confirmed town. Everyone else, I wouldn't be too surprised either way. Aegor is the only player who I have more than minimal suspicion of because his voting patterns and lack of explanations are anti-town. I see no town motivation in this behavior, and the fact that he's continued to do it is on all of us for not holding him accountable. SG, if stuff like the above is Aegor's typical play, and if he's getting away with it all the time as either alignment, then the site meta is worse off than I ever imagined.In post 1752, Aegor wrote:Do you think both are town? I cannot see that happening, so I say we just lynch Mac today and lynch AJ tomorrow if Mac flips town.
I am sorry, this is just completely untrue. I have been very clear on my suspicions and why they exist.In post 1764, Kdub wrote:Aegor is the only player who I have more than minimal suspicion of because his voting patterns and lack of explanations are anti-town.
There is nothing to hold me accountable for. I have been clear about why Mac and the AJ slot are both good lynches. You act as if other players are providing solid cases that I am ignoring in favor of shitvotes. That is simply not true: I have yet to see what I would consider a case more compelling or thorough than my case on Mac. You are more than welcome to point me in the direction of one if you disagree.I see no town motivation in this behavior, and the fact that he's continued to do it is on all of us for not holding him accountable.
I call BSIn post 1767, Aegor wrote:I am sorry, this is just completely untrue. I have been very clear on my suspicions and why they exist.
I never said that I explained all of my votes. I said that I have explained my suspicions.In post 1769, Jake from State Farm wrote:I call BS
Looking at all of your votes the only ones where you may your suspicions clear are
Yeah, and votes =/= suspicions.All your other votes were no reason, sheeping, or policy lynching.
Great. So it sounds like I did explain my suspicions sufficiently that you are able to distinguish policy votes from actual, substantiated votes. By the way, I also provided reasoning for the AJ/SG slot.interesting fact, not including your RVS you voted 21 times and you have only provided reasoning for Scar (aka muffin) and Mac. Your HKC votes were all policy lynch votes as were the votes for me.