His death wish says Saki, Aegor is also a strong scumread. I'm a master at finding things
VOTE: SKOT
placeholder vote, since I remember him randomly voting shit yesterday and I don't remember why, I don't think anyone ever asked or if he ever explained
Will be more productive when people talk + Jingle is back
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:19 am
by Malakittens
Hmmmm
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:23 am
by Bulbazak
Field Polarity:
Light
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:24 am
by Thor665
Vote: Malakittens
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:26 am
by Thor665
I read Xayzeck again overnight, don't see him going anywhere. I sort of see the Doublade issue, but will admit I've drunk my wine there. I do think scum are on the wagon and mildly hand Necro and Jordan town reads. So...y'know, Mala. That's my logic, before people ask.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:29 am
by The Necromancers
VOTE: jon
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:04 am
by Thor665
I don't hate that vote.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:20 am
by The Necromancers
So if Anti hasn't already.
VOTE: jon_h61.
I SINCERELY doubt our vote will be going ANYWHERE else today.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:22 am
by The Necromancers
(Okay, granted, my computer's busted still so I haven't been able to check our QT and synch with Anti, but no need, really.)
Oh, and by the way, if it's relevant: this game has PTs, not QTs.
Also, when it comes to the TSO kill, I'm taking stabs in the dark for things about it.
-Low-info kill.
-Low-priority, thus, easily targeted.
-Could have been a PR.
-Could have had good reads.
-The scumteam has a player who places FAR more weight onto TSO's skills than the town does.
Because those are just about the only things I can see as explaining why he'd die over far more high-profile players.
I'm inclined to mostly think 1, 4, and 5 are the reasons why, though I don't think the obvious (of Xayzeck being scum) is true. I don't know why, it just doesn't feel right. It definitely feels more like 5 than 4 or 1, with it being off of history, and that vaguely to me kinda feels like it'd point
away
from Xayzeck being scum.
Not exactly helpful to me, though, without knowing who here holds that attitude of TSO. I'm too lazy to research it, and it's not like the scum would be exactly forthcoming about it if I'm right. I do think he probably did have some good reads, though, so I'll be looking at what he contributed in that regard.
Still, though. Lynching jon is our focus.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:08 am
by jon_h61
@ Thor What are your plans Today? I started off liking your pushing wagons. But as the Day wore on, it started looking like you just wanted anyone lynched. Sure you said a few slots were scum, and a few were Town. But in your read list I couldn't find anything I felt I wanted
to
sheep. Who do you think most needs lynched, and why?
My only knowledge of you is from reading games when I was reading meta for someone else. I read one game where you were scum and you pushed lynches, and bullied Town, somewhat similar to Day 1 here. I don't remember who won anymore, but there are similarities I can see between the two games.
I can see Necro and I are going to be calling each other scum, probably until there's a flip. That's OK, makes things interesting.
In post 1762, jon_h61 wrote:@ Thor What are your plans Today? I started off liking your pushing wagons. But as the Day wore on, it started looking like you just wanted anyone lynched. Sure you said a few slots were scum, and a few were Town. But in your read list I couldn't find anything I felt I wanted
to
sheep. Who do you think most needs lynched, and why?
My only knowledge of you is from reading games when I was reading meta for someone else. I read one game where you were scum and you pushed lynches, and bullied Town, somewhat similar to Day 1 here. I don't remember who won anymore, but there are similarities I can see between the two games.
I can see Necro and I are going to be calling each other scum, probably until there's a flip. That's OK, makes things interesting.
Btw, worth mentioning is that his alignment regardless, a Dry-fit lynch might also be a good idea for one simple reason: dueling wagon analysis. If he's town, we know that scum didn't particularly care who got lynched yesterday. (Thus, are likely to be evenly spread, or close to.) If he's scum, well...look at how close he got to lynch and how Aegor got speed-lynched; that's much more telling. So there's info to be gained either way.
(For the record. I kinda find it sorta interesting that every single replacement has been a slot I've had suspicion of. Butyeah, while I did skim and stay mostly up-to-date, I need to do some proper reading of the latter half of D1.)
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:39 am
by The Necromancers
...In large part because I need to get a town-scum list of my own.
Quick reference, though:
Until he says otherwise, if Antihero and my reads don't line up...sheep Antihero's, not mine.
Oh, and should also be mentioned: A Xayzeck lynch wouldn't be horrible for the same reasons a Dry-fit lynch wouldn't be, in that Xayzeck was wagoned, and Aegor was the counter-wagon. Dry-fit was Aegor's counterwagon, or vice-versa; the two kinda got tangled up together at the end. Knowing Xayzeck and Dry-fit's alignments will reveal a LOT about the alignments of players, since it'll give HUGE insight into the patterns.
(Actually, should mention Jordan as well, since they got wagoned, too. In fact, Jordan wagon might be more vital than all the other wagons, since Dry-Fit and Aegor wagons emerged/resurged after the Jordan claim, if my skim memory is serving me.)
Butyeah. jon dies first, then we talk about other scum options. This game looks like it'll be pathetically-easy to solve with just a little bit of an extra push.
Btw, worth mentioning is that his alignment regardless, a Dry-fit lynch might also be a good idea for one simple reason: dueling wagon analysis. If he's town, we know that scum didn't particularly care who got lynched yesterday. (Thus, are likely to be evenly spread, or close to.) If he's scum, well...look at how close he got to lynch and how Aegor got speed-lynched; that's much more telling. So there's info to be gained either way.
Still, though. Not something for today.
Jon's today.
Are you trying to make me not like you? Chaining information lynches?
It's much better to force scum to kill to give us information than it is to telegraph lynches they can then NK around. Just stop it.
This is my point of reference, for the record. Of note is that talah (jon) joined the Xayzeck wagon immediately after this. I think it's a mislynch. Who's the scum on it, not precisely clear. Likely not more than three. TMCT/Malakittens is possible. So's Thor. talah/jon's an assured. But the wagon's not going to have more scum than that, and I think TD/Marquis/Spring look town, here.
In post 1119, Shiny Hydreigon wrote:also despite having just as much supporters as the other two wagons (and more people pushing) it is meeting more resistance which is pretty exciting, I think
I don't know what resistance you're seeing unless it's me just flat out saying I think he's town and I don't like the wagon. Seems like most other folks not voting Xay are just tied up in their other adventures.
In post 1148, The Necromancers wrote:My scumlist is basically {talah, Jordan, Thor, Aegor} right now in no particular order, with me willing to support a lynch on either Jordan or Aegor.
Weellll... at least you included the one scum in your fakescum list. *Waves at Thor*
I dislike both the Aegor and Xayzeck wagons. But I'm willing to force a claim.
This seems important in that regard, too.
I don't think all of jon/Jordan/Thor are going to be scum. Seems a bit too easy. But I definitely think 2/3 of them are for sure. jon being one.
(Also, since I can't stop seeing the cake, happy purple-hydra day, Mara.)
In post 1155, talah wrote:It's preferable over the other two. So yeah why not.
In post 1159, talah wrote:Actually I've changed my mind. Jordan's ISO looks pretty straightforward to me.
Sorry bout that. Was about to change votes but just thought I'd check as I mentally had all three of Xay / Aegor / Jordan as town from previous posting.
Xay gets to claim IMO. Sorry bout that Xay.
This also looks REALLY important.
I really don't think the treatment of Xayzeck is bussing.
The treatment of Jordan seems dodgy-as-fuck, a sort-of "Oh, shit" moment when he realizes what running up Jordan could do.
Explicitly not. I'm lynching jon. That's not an information lynch. Nor do I think that lynching the players I mention (Dry-fit, Xayzeck, Jordan) is necessarily a good idea and I'm certainly not advocating it. However, I am pointing out the benefit from having done so, and I think that much should be obvious.
I'm ambivalent on Dry-fit overall, and still minorly scumreading Jordan overall, thus why their lynches aren't bad: not townreads, and also giving a ton of info. That doesn't make their lynches optimal. That'd be a jon lynch.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:54 am
by The Necromancers
(Oh, yeah.
Titus replaced Fear.
No wonder she attacked me.
Really shouldn't have forgotten 'bout that.)
In post 1173, talah wrote:I just have no idea why lurker lynches aren't viable. I see it so often. Town and scum alike hyperfocus active players who will fuck themselves over in the longrun if they're scum.
They ignore lurkers because pressuring lurkers is so so easy to raise as a scumtell. "HAI GAIZ HES PRESSURING TEH LURKERS MUST BE SCUM".
I believe the claim. End of the day I'm going to be voting who I think's scum. Don't rely on me for a hammer, either. I'm fucking over it.
I tried sheeping to form a wagon
I tried maybe-possibly-likely scum with some interest expressed
Now you can all get fucked. UNVOTE: Xayzeck VOTE: MafiaSSK
(BTW, this does not look like scum unvoting a scumbuddy. It also does not look like scum bussing even remotely, least of all after advocating for cohesion. Thus, SSK is town.)
This is about Pere, who can go fuck himself for *never* being lynched Day 1 and being an uninteractive asshole who's probably just as unreadable as scum as he is town
Also much love Pere <3 <3 but fuck me. It's intensely irritating and especially when I want to get a read on you. Surely you see how often I'm pressured day one as compared to you.
So... you scum this game?
(Also does not look scum-scum, so PeregrineV's town.)
In post 1188, talah wrote:TSO are you seriously not seeing your conversation with Xay as town? Like seriously.
And this looks like scum WKing town, not defending their scumbuddy.
I do think he probably did have some good reads, though, so I'll be looking at what he contributed in that regard.