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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:59 am
by copper223
Nikanor wrote:fakehammers are unsportsmanlike. sure you can win a game with it, but it's kind of a dirty trick.

Hmmm, I don't know much of MS etiquette as my experience is mainly in live settings, but I care about winning more than being a good sport :oops: , sorry!

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:03 pm
by Cephrir
I don't agree that they're unsportsmanlike. Scum should be smart enough not to gloat.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:11 pm
by TierShift
Fakehammers are a mostly useless tool. It's like the fake dayvig, in that respect. Perhaps a tad better, but still super easy to manipulate. Chances of catching scum are lower than dismissing scum for their 'obviously town'-reaction. No good scum will be caught. You won't learn shit.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:12 pm
by toolenduso
xRECKONERx wrote:ayyyyy this is why you NL in that scenario :D

thanks for listening to reason


I was like....so sure you were scum.

Just like I was super sure that Kthx was scum.

This game has definitely expanded my horizons on what is and isn't possible/probable for scum to do.

I still don't understand why Ghato originally wanted to go to night rather than just claim and try to get us to lynch Reck.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:13 pm
by sthar8
I also am ethically OK with them. They just have no practical protown benefit and can be easily exploited by scum.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:13 pm
by TierShift
Not unsportsmanlike in any way though. Mostly indicative of mediocre scumhunting.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:13 pm
by toolenduso
Also, Nacho and F16, did you get that revive thing as a mod-provided fake claim or did you come up with that on your own?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:19 pm
by copper223
Some people are smart. Everyone else is a genuis. My god I'm stupid I don't deserve to live. This is the logic you just used. Sure good scumplayers will not be caught, this can be said for almost any gambit you cam think of, and agreed it's a low % play, this does not mean it's useless when used on Kthxbye when he is going to get lynched anyway, the fact we misred his reaction and went ahead with the lynch is our mistake.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:20 pm
by copper223
toolenduso wrote:Also, Nacho and F16, did you get that revive thing as a mod-provided fake claim or did you come up with that on your own?

They came up with it themselves and requested a fake claim, pretty good idea.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:23 pm
by TellTaleHeart
copper223 wrote:Some people are smart. Everyone else is a genuis. My god I'm stupid I don't deserve to live.

A philosophy to live by.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:24 pm
by TierShift
copper223 wrote:Some people are smart. Everyone else is a genuis. My god I'm stupid I don't deserve to live. This is the logic you just used. Sure good scumplayers will not be caught, this can be said for almost any gambit you cam think of, and agreed it's a low % play, this does not mean it's useless when used on Kthxbye when he is going to get lynched anyway, the fact we misred his reaction and went ahead with the lynch is our mistake.

No, this is not true. You can definitely catch good scum with a good gambit, fakehammering just isn't one. It's nothing against you, but it's just something that does little good (likelier to do harm). If someone is going to get lynched anyway, why does the gambit matter?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:26 pm
by TellTaleHeart
copper223 wrote:I also saw CoA log into their account during the night phase while I was online, and the text is coning from TTH, so once again unless Reck can somehow intercept and change messages you are confirmed scum. Combined with your play I don't see a universe where we don't lynch you.

o_O

*starts looking over shoulder*

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:29 pm
by copper223
Go away scum, I couldn't even lose properly in a fair game grumble grumble grumble.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:29 pm
by TellTaleHeart
:(

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:34 pm
by copper223
But you would have won anyway, no doubts about that, it just pissed me off so much I think I share your 415 emotions now.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:37 pm
by TellTaleHeart
I would gloat but Anti did a lot more in that game than me so I really don't have anything to gloat about. :S

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:38 pm
by Bookitty
I really enjoyed this game even after I met with an "accident" and had to be replaced.

I think the fakeclaim was a gutsy move and I don't think I'd have had the nerve to do it as scum. I can't even say I wouldn't be fooled by it again because it was so unexpected. I know I'll remember this game for a long while.

I'm very glad town figured it out in the end, though. <3

Thank you, Ffery!

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:50 pm
by copper223
TellTaleHeart wrote:I would gloat but Anti did a lot more in that game than me so I really don't have anything to gloat about. :S

On the contrary I was scumreading him every few pages before you came in and muddied my read with good information presented with the usual TTH townflair.

@Tier
I can't see it being harmful, I would not try it on a scumplayer whom I believe has the ability to turn it around and fake it convincingly enough, which as we just saw is incredibly hard, so that play only has positive equity from my perspective, admittedly it's likely going to be useless as you said but I don't see why not take the odd chance when someone is already compromised and Kthx gave as good a reaction as possible fmpov so zi should hsve followed my gut.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:44 pm
by LynxKuroneko
Great game, everyone! I was beginning to worry my sacrifice was for naught! Well played!

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:57 pm
by Cabd
Cephrir wrote:. Scum should be smart enough not to gloat.

Fakehammers can and have won me games. As both alignments.

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:37 pm
by Metal Sonic
Title should have been changed to [game over] so that I could rush in. Was surprised that this game was referenced and I thought this was day 6

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:41 am
by fferyllt
I've taken up design of my first MS large theme game again. It's based on Tarot card meanings. Won't be a uPick. As always, hydrae welcome. If you'd like a pre-in, let me know.

I designed and modded a Tarot-based uPick micro a few months ago, if you're curious what the theme might entail.

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:53 am
by copper223
Large games are the last format I haven't tried yet onsite and the micro setup looks interesting, so I'd like to pre-in.

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:02 am
by BRantz
I would like to pre-in for that ffery!

Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:42 pm
by LynxKuroneko
I want to... but I dunno of I can commit to a large! :\