Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[Menalque]

Oh skitt, one more thing, why did you think I might be a PR in the first place? This has happened a few times recently and I’m just curious as to what it is in my play that makes people think this

[Menalque]

Pops I read 1707 and I think you’re right. I’ll try to incorporate that into my future games, especially working together more with town and building camaraderie through lynching the easy scum first, but also through trying to frame things in ways that aren’t totally reliant on meta when possible

I think the second one might be harder because I rely a lot on meta for reading

[skitter30]

Try to get me info lynched and see how that goes for you

^ this read like a pr soft iirc

[Farkran]

We also had this tradition of drawing up the list of best and worst plays/players after a game is over, i hope you will like it and not get mad at it - this is just the opinion of an inexperienced outsider who loves to write reviews. You can add comments if you want to!

MVP:

emps

Despite his average early reads, he managed to hand victory to the town in lylo, and it was no easy task. He exuded enough towniness d1 that he could make up for it later when he didn't have time to put his effort in the game. I think his votes weren't just coin tosses, the reasoning behind them wasn't half bad.

LVP:

creeper

Unfortunately, he wasn't enjoying the fm style and his slot paid for that. After reading the scum PT though i don't think it was a complete disaster. Deserves another try.

Best Town Player:

emps

See above

Worst Town Player:

Farkran

I almost compromised the game by being too lynchbaity. Pretty much no one believed i was town except for my mason partner and scum. Bad reads while alive, died n1. Could have done worse, but also much better. I still think my decision of not claiming was correct, but i shouldn't have reached the point where you would ask me to claim.

I won't list best and worst anti-town since there were only 2 players in the single mafia team.

Everyone in this game deserves respect though. I think that if Selynee sticks around she could become a very good fm player, especially as scum. Menalque had very good reads, but that unvote on creeper and the self-hammer hurt town more than he intended to. NMSA and teacher deserve the credit for the scum lynch in d1, good job.

Note:

it's customary that rep players cannot be listed, otherwise pops would have been my MVP candidate for sorting out skitter correctly and leading town to win as soon as he entered the game, despite the mislynch on teacher.

[popsofctown]

i barely read any games anymore

i'm only following this cuz i'm following the newd3 stats

currently 4/0 for town :v

Heya rc

Newd3 happened because towns were winning a lot in 2d3?

X.x
Yes, towns were winning way too much in 2d3.
I pushed for really really scumsided matrices (potentially with independent design flaws, to be fair) and people didn't seem interested in shifting the needle that much.
RC's newd3 looked a good bit less townsided than what we used to have and seemed more scumsided than some of the matrices people were putting out (aside from a specific cell he has acknowledged as townsided to but is needed for the claiming strategy of the matrix as a whole), but it's possibly not scumsided enough for the needs of the newbie queue. The dynamic where you couldn't feel comfortable bussing EpicCreeper this game is kind of one of many things that can newbie town winrate high even if the setup is scumsided.

The rest of the scum PT was fun.

I think I have a standing disagreement with you on how far ignoring you own opinions and proxying opinions of others can benefit you, skitter, I feel like it helped me win this game and not mislynch emps. In a game with RC I gave his opinion on a slot pretty heavy weight, especially after he flipped town, and it served me well there too. It's not a fun skill to hone but I think it can be useful, especially when you get a feel for how much grounding you have beneath your own reads and whether that's weak enough grounding to consider proxying

Which post of mine are you referring to?

I'm not sure it wasn't teacher instead and I'm not sure I care enough to hunt.

ok but like this one shouldn't count it was masons the EV is straight scumsided

I am just a bomb replacement

Skitter honored her duties as an SE instead of tryharding

I actually think masons are the easiest to work with, for the most part - you know *exactly* who town power is, which makes it easier to work around - you know that there arent going to be any surprise guilties on you

Also you did some nka at some point, which was also spot-on - neither farkran nor spam were particularly suspiciois of me that night, but farkran had more of a presence and was more liable to rethink things, so he had to go

Yes, you are agreeing with me that this cell of the matrix is "scumsided", benefits scum. It's generally commonly agreed that 2 Masons 2 Mafia 5 VT is winnable for town but favors scum. The masons don't increase town EV all that much because the scum frequently have time to shoot them, and they don't clear other slots in addition to themselves like other PRs.

Yeah that may have won you lot the game - i dont like unpredictability and i couldnt really tell what you were likely to do

Obfuscating information as town (never lying- not volunteering info) is very underrated. Especially in twilight phases.

And yeah, you’re right. I guess I just worry that doing that looks like appeasement and I suppose I’d expect appeasing behaviour to come more often from scum, so I thought that would just get me SR more. I’ll try to see how I can hit those beats more in future.

You may be projecting a preference that's unique to you onto others, here. Most people townread appeasement.


I won't comment on the review list - I think we tend to avoid lists like these around mafia scum due to how it can be hurtful to be singled out as bad player. We have an annual rewards section for honoring incredibly good play across all games, which is less likely to imply some other player is bad, and even that decision process has private "Nay" votes to avoid being negative.
These lists are probably far less harmful in chat mafia when you games are shorter and you can just "run it back". Committing lots of time to a game and hearing you did poorly can sting.

[Farkran]

I won't comment on the review list - I think we tend to avoid lists like these around mafia scum due to how it can be hurtful to be singled out as bad player. We have an annual rewards section for honoring incredibly good play across all games, which is less likely to imply some other player is bad, and even that decision process has private "Nay" votes to avoid being negative.
These lists are probably far less harmful in chat mafia when you games are shorter and you can just "run it back". Committing lots of time to a game and hearing you did poorly can sting.

Totally reasonable - i'll likely refrain from doing it again unless it is universally accepted as good practice. I wanted to try it out because, back in the days, other people actually enjoyed it when i drew up my first review and made it into a custom. I just love to talk about fm games in general - i try to keep my praise and criticism reasonable and constructive, with the purpose of keeping up the conversation and provide analyzeable arguments for everyone's next game, including myself. Ofc your mileage may vary about the actual review, that is just my personal opinion which isn't more valuable than anyone else's.

[emps]

woooo yeah i played kinda maybe somewhat well in someones eyes woohoo i feel good about myself

dont beat urself up about being bad at pr, and claimed at like the shittiest time ever in my first pr game lol

also masons are different from other prs so like thats probs even harder than playing normal pr...

[chennisden]

FYI, for the newbs, if you sign up now you likely miss the troika of SEs here. Those in/who get in the current newb line is slated to go with 3 other SEs in a game I am modding, and then Skit/Pops/I will be the game after that.

One note for those unaware (sely/sushi/fark(?)), on the top of the banner, you can see a link saying find my posts. Thats the best way to see if there has been activity in any of the threads you have ever posted in. (I didnt discover that until like a month after finding MS, and it rocked my world).

Skit, I loved reading the scum thread and echo Pop's respect for you playing the way you did.

I want everyone to see my conversation with Menalque in the dead -- I wowed him an apology for saying rule breaking, and so I want that apology out here too. He would not knowingly break the rules (and did not in fact break them imo). But I would still urge extreme caution if how you reference ongoing games at all.

Emps, losing passion D3+ seems a consistent thing for you, unless you are PR. IT was a pleasure to play as always, but you might want to watch/think about that.

Sely - way to bleed town.

Sorry this was rambly as I have to run to get ready for school, so if I left anyone off, I apologize. I would definitly play with anyone here again.

i think saying someone played a really good game is reasonable - i don't think people love it when you use absolutes though.

[emps]

hell yeah i had votes that werent half bad lets go

[chennisden]

^oopsquote >_<

[emps]

i feel like the whole ranking thing is kinda ehhhhh but like the MVP thing is ok but ranking the worst player is bad imo

ranking is just akward tbh, you can compliment/give people advice but outright ranking people is meh

[Farkran]

Looks like i'm playing under teacher mod with none of you guys

I will miss you, see ya in the next game!

[popsofctown]

Well you're at least getting to hang out with teacher

[Farkran]

I am happy about teacher as mod, i have been skimming a few of his modded games and they look great! But i know none of the players, i'd have liked to have at least someone from this one. Well then, time to get some hate from new people until i eradicate all the scum.

[teacher]

Oh skitt, one more thing, why did you think I might be a PR in the first place? This has happened a few times recently and I’m just curious as to what it is in my play that makes people think this

I had the same thought at points -- playing lazy/scummy from a player who can power with the best of them can be PR looking to hide. I think its more just the evolved play, but you were more sitting back here in general than Im used to.

[teacher]

i think saying someone played a really good game is reasonable - i don't think people love it when you use absolutes though.

Im not sure what comment of mine you think I should have laid off of?

[chennisden]

i think saying someone played a really good game is reasonable - i don't think people love it when you use absolutes though.

Im not sure what comment of mine you think I should have laid off of?

The post was directed towards Farkran and the forum decided to quote you for who knows what reason

[PenguinPower]