White Flag - TM2020

[Auro]

A random vote close to deadline doesnt make sense in my opinion.

It wasn't a random vote, it was the hammer. I had specifically asked someone to hammer the post before. Someone was going to do it. NSG was a goner. Why not hammer for the cred? This defense doesn't make sense.

If Dong was scum and cognizant that he was hammering for le town cred, I don't feel like he'd be making this argument at all. It's interesting he doesn't even see it as a hammer vote.

[Auro]

Don't be scummy now I don't want to face the uphill climb of trying to get you lynched.

We should just flashwagon Esp today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Interesting point on Dong - they've been generally scumread/in the bottom row of people's reads and yet they have not had a serious wagon on them all game.

2 reasons I see for this:
1 - Dong is heavily scumread town being saved for late game by scum.
2 - Dong is scum who is good at being town and avoiding wagons.

Tell me which seems to be the more likely scenario.

[Dunnstral]

Mr Magnum, let's lynch Cheeky's partner if she's scum? Who would her partner be?

I'm not calling cheeky scum

[Dunnstral]

Interesting point on Dong - they've been generally scumread/in the bottom row of people's reads and yet they have not had a serious wagon on them all game.

2 reasons I see for this:
1 - Dong is heavily scumread town being saved for late game by scum.
2 - Dong is scum who is good at being town and avoiding wagons.

Tell me which seems to be the more likely scenario.

Again, there are way more town alive than scum, so this doesn't mean anything

[CheekyTeeky]

Don't be scummy now I don't want to face the uphill climb of trying to get you lynched.

We should just flashwagon Esp today.

Yeah. That townread on me from Maria is a scumclaim though.

[Auro]

NSG's strategy and the lack of RC proxy playing this game is still interesting to me, wondering if they wrote it off due to unskilled scum partners.

@Dunn: Lmao, I love the tiny jokes you keep posting in game

@Cheeky: 3 - there are scummier slots?

[Auro]

Yeah. That townread on me from Maria is a scumclaim though

Oooh can you explain?

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn: Lmao, I love the tiny jokes you keep posting in game

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[Auro]

1747 was aimed at Dong. ^

[CheekyTeeky]

Again, there are way more town alive than scum, so this doesn't mean anything

Sure it does, it means there is scum in the town leaders. In case you haven't noticed you and Dann have more sway than most this game. But you know this hence you thought one of you two would be NK'd

[Dunnstral]

Don't be scummy now I don't want to face the uphill climb of trying to get you lynched.

We should just flashwagon Esp today.

Yeah. That townread on me from Maria is a scumclaim though.

What does that mean?

[Dunnstral]

Again, there are way more town alive than scum, so this doesn't mean anything

Sure it does, it means there is scum in the town leaders. In case you haven't noticed you and Dann have more sway than most this game. But you know this hence you thought one of you two would be NK'd

But... mafia died... And I'm voting Dong right now...

And I thought it would be me, Dann, or Kitty, FTR

[Dunnstral]

You barely fucking talk to me any game and always seem to think what I'm doing is stupid.

This makes sense to me now

[Auro]

Daaaaaaaaaaaamn

[Dunnstral]

Don't be scummy now I don't want to face the uphill climb of trying to get you lynched.

We should just flashwagon Esp today.

Yeah. That townread on me from Maria is a scumclaim though.

What does that mean?

She doesn't know what you are talking about

[Auro]

Cheeky, Dunn is correct that your implied conclusion (Dunn is scum) is faulty given the premise that Dong is scum or being saved for later, given Dunn's pushing Dong.

Dunn, Cheeky might have a legitimate point wrt Maria townreading her being a scumtell - let her explain it, right? No need for attacks.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yeah. That townread on me from Maria is a scumclaim though

Oooh can you explain?

Sure, Maria never reads me or my alts correctly, skimming EOD she would have said I was scum. At best she might have thought I was kind of town but not enough for Dunn to make the argument that he thinks I'm scum but his team's opinions are holding him back.

In fact if we go into this deeper, each time Dunn has mentioned his teams thoughts they haven't really added up although tbf theres only one other comment he's made that I can recall, aside from the strange timing of his team yelling at him to lynch nsg:

No they haven't. Somebody thinks cheeky is obv town, they think ff is being put up as a coutner wagon

ff is being put up as a coutner wagon

by who? me and cheeky were the main pushers of it

You asked me what my team thought. That's all they said

So this and the town read on me look like ways to maneuver in the game whilst relinquishing accountability.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, Dunn is correct that your implied conclusion (Dunn is scum) is faulty given the premise that Dong is scum or being saved for later, given Dunn's pushing Dong.

Dunn, Cheeky might have a legitimate point wrt Maria townreading her being a scumtell - let her explain it, right? No need for attacks.

I don't think it's faulty because I'm not implying Dunn/Dong SvS in the wagonless Dong observation. Yes he's voting them now but I don't see a real lynch Dong trajectory going on right now.

[Dunnstral]

Sure, Maria never reads me or my alts correctly,

She says she does read you correctly but doesn't know who your alts are (so however she reads those shouldn't factor into this)

Can you link a game where she reads you incorrectly?

each time Dunn has mentioned his teams thoughts they haven't really added up

They add up if you listen to me when I say my team isn't reading the entire game but rather snippets

So this and the town read on me look like ways to maneuver in the game whilst relinquishing accountability.

These words don't mean anything

[Dunnstral]

Yes he's voting them now but I don't see a real lynch Dong trajectory going on right now.

We're at the start of the day and I'm thinking things over

[Dunnstral]

You're going through some real mental gymnastics to keep finding reasons to suspect me, honestly

[CheekyTeeky]

Nope not really. You can discredit my arguments all you like but they speak for themselves. I am for the people.

Btw MariaR is Maki right?

[Dunnstral]

Btw MariaR is Maki right?

yes

[Dunnstral]

Plot twist. It was Dunn white knighting auro all along. We've been fools. It all makes sense now.

We gotta Lynch ff now. This is too juicy of a weird af reaction to consolidation votes.

Stop being caught up in the fact that you 'defender' NSG, realize she's lurkscum, and help lynch her isntead of doubling down on the idea that you have not not vote her because you defender her at one point

Yes there should be a consolidation of votes; it shouldn't be on a FF wagon where everyone came out of the woodwork and suddenly started scumreading him without talking about it beforehand. Not that people have made their intentions clear I'm talking about it - that's not on me, that's on you guys

Tin foil hat time.

There are two players that have been on two important counter wagon movements today. One is on someone who if town, fits a very strong archetype for white knighting, someone argumentative with a divisive personality and convenient but not necessary valid counterpoint to rally around.

Then, as consolidation happens at end of day with part of it around an easy lurk Lynch and the other on another generally scum lent slot, they launch a second co-ordinated counter wagon movement, one doing with with a tone that felt to me frantic.

I accuse Dunnstral in the Dannflor with the Formerfish. I'd like to check the envelope please.

Is no one else getting klaxons going off in all directions from Dunn's reaction to the FF momentum?

Because that is ringing so clear at me right now.

I thought this was super scummy.