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Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:23 am**

Okay that's filled

SirCakez
Datisi
GeorgeBailey
ShadowlessCloud
Insomnia
Alyssa The Lamb

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:23 am**

Lets a go!

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:24 am**

In post 1750, Superb Subtlety wrote:Okay that's filled

SirCakez
Datisi
GeorgeBailey
ShadowlessCloud
Insomnia
Alyssa The Lamb

mods seeing me /in being like

Spoiler:

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:33 am**

If pms are sent, I didn’t receive one

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:45 am**

In post 1738, Shadowlesscloud wrote:whens the last time Chem has even posted, hes like the one person here i can metaread and my skim brought up nada from him -_-

literally last night my guy

-latias

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:46 am**

I keep missing events because I've lost my sense of time so that's fun

-Latias

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:40 am**

you guys are boring

-Latias

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:45 am**

I hope I get a posting restriction as penalty

~som

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:50 am**

In post 1757, Despair Night wrote:I hope I get a posting restriction as penalty

~som

inb4 modkill

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:51 am**

In post 1758, Disaster Artists wrote:
In post 1757, Despair Night wrote:I hope I get a posting restriction as penalty

~som
inb4 modkill

I’m legit scared, did you say it as a meme or did i do anything wrong lol

~som

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:05 am**

In post 2, Superb Subtlety wrote:Saying what the penalty is results in a modkill and the penalty being changed to something far more harsh.

I was actually just trolling you though

-JC

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:08 am**

Well I didn’t even receive it so

~som

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:12 am**

Okay

Minigame finished

It was Blackjack!

George Bailey gets 22$
Datisi gets 15$
ShadowlessCloud gets 15$
Alyssa the Lamb get 10$
Insomnia and SirCakez get nothing

As a point of interest, everyone started with 20$ worth of chips. The house always wins

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:13 am**

I hustled for that $2

-gb

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:15 am**

20 pages whee

In post 1392, Black Hole Defection wrote:
I'm chilling for just a moment reading the current pages.

It's actually an easy call to say it benefits Black Hole army to participate in war games more than Orange Star, simply because the CO Powers in Hachi's shop right now benefit Black Hole Army so much more. The Neighborhood CO Power is hot trash almost as bad as Sasha's garbage, for either side. The Vigilante CO Power will always assassinate an Orange Star CO when bought by Black Hole Army, but will only hit Black Hole Army some of the time in Orange Star's sloppy hands. And for the Mystery CO Power who really knows right? So it's just the Vigilante CO Power really.

I still don't think analysis is going to get you very far, because both sides want to do it, and some COs randomly want to do it more for reasons that were true before this battle started. It's more useful to dig into things that only one side would want to do. Like, let's keep catching Latios and Latias destroying Oozium, neh?

I agree with this take and I want to townlean BHD for it even though that's probably lazy idk

In post 1437, Cappy wrote:Feminist Blocc - scum

Datisi told me to tell you "ok ponk bill"

don't really understand the take that Ircher got us out of RVS; I feel like there was discussion before the point where Ircher started posting scummy things? like, i think the first scummy post from Ircher was 324 at which point we were on page 13 and I'm pretty sure that before that point there was definitely game talk.

Spoiler: useless quotewall

In post 1506, Despair Night wrote:Lol fuck me for having to decide which is the scum in Imperium and Spiffy

Lol JC should get shot lol he’s scum lol

~som

In post 1507, Disaster Artists wrote:Are you sure you wanna go down this road somni?

-JC

In post 1508, Disaster Artists wrote:That's okay, don't answer, you've already said enough

-JC

In post 1509, Despair Night wrote:Do it, you won’t!

~som

In post 1510, Disaster Artists wrote:I mean I'm sure surprised you decided to give up your chances of endgaming with one post

Shame you didn't roll town this game

And you had that chance too at the very beginning

-JC

In post 1511, Despair Night wrote:What is this post JC

~som

In post 1512, Disaster Artists wrote:I mean town you isn't braindead enough to write that post so I mean you're never alive past day 3 now

Like I don't know why you make that play but you're not recovering from it

-JC

In post 1513, Despair Night wrote:Don't question my brain dead...ness. You scum though.

I have no fear, I will fucking unleash the beast if I have to. I'm reading your ISO and if I don't see something townie I'm tunneling you.

I retained nothing out of your posts and this is uncharted territory.

~som

In post 1514, Disaster Artists wrote:I mean you just said you wanted less pressure and then you proposed a vig shot on me. That does not compute

I'm gonna say town you does not make that play because town you knows you get lynched over me every single time this game

I don't really know what you were going for but I can't imagine a world where you are willing to risk drawing my spite as town. I have to assume you're just trying to flip your play from the superlarge and maybe thought you would not become immediately dead and happened to be mistaken

-JC

In post 1515, Despair Night wrote:I think you're too egotistical. You have no understanding of how my brain works. If I think you haven't been posting town shit, I'll say it. Because you haven't.

Your hydra partner doesn't contribute with anything but is quick to in events. You haven't been leading discussion towards anything.

Only urap2 can truly soul read me, that man knows what I'm about to do as either alignment before I do it.

And idgi, if you thought you were gonna get me lynched 9/10 times, why does your mind reach the conclusion of "I'm scum" when it should be that I'm more likely to do that as town??

dafucc

i'll be back with reads after some math shit

~som

In post 1516, Disaster Artists wrote:Ok, so now you just explained why you're scum. You thought you'd get townread for a play that makes no sense. The problem is your play makes no sense from a town POV. You don't come off our last three games together and say 'oh yeah vig john cena night 1' when you have no read of me.

And if you do make that play as town, then well you will learn from your mistake with your death. Either way, congrats on earning an immediate death!

-JC

In post 1517, Disaster Artists wrote:Town you does not volunteer for death. That was my point.

-JC

I agree with

Pink ball

Silver Bullet's assertion that the interaction feels fake af; I think it's conceivable that that's because of, like, them trying to intimidate the other/ project anger at the other. If this is s/s that's hilarious honestly

I don't understand PB's take on DA at all though, some people just joined for the events? Like it seems weird to say now but I don't think this was exactly intended to be Standard Large Theme + events, it was supposed to be somewhat lighthearted fun and was marketed as such. So it makes perfect sense that some players would opt to join for the events and not want to play the mafia. Datisi is doing that, I was going to do it too but since this has turned into traditional mafia leaving the slot empty and unreadable seems unfair. But the point is, joining events is NAI and there's no real way to distinguish between "wants to play events and likes money" and "nefariously joining events to collect the sweet $ for the scumteam" I'm pretty sure.

In post 1557, Superb Subtlety wrote:
hi hello sorry to interupt the gameplay. im just here to advertise that im playing through a very interesting translation of Paper Mario the Thousand Year Door. Have a look for yourself.

(click me).

Its funny I promise

oh thanks Ali this looks like fun!

In post 1558, Disaster Artists wrote:Yes, and your theater on me in ali vs pine was as nonsense as it is here

krazy/punk bill scumteam literally confirmed

In post 1564, Disaster Artists wrote:And that whiny line you just threw at me is fucking rich, boy I feel really bad about your wim. I don't care about your wim in my mind you've been dead as soon as you made that post

ok I think I kind of townread this actually, unless Krazy has AtEd like this as scum in the past which I haven't seen. this seems genuinely angry and i don't see why you make this post - seemingly to someone who you at least have a decent relationship with, and from the meta discussion it kinda seems like they did - if you're not genuinely upset and I think being upset over being scumread is more likely to come from town than scum since, well, if you're scum they're completely justified.

In post 1604, Cappy wrote:it looked like I was reading a cheap movie script because of the way you both were talking.

Yeah this is 100% true

gamma's posting seems towny to me but i don't really know how to put my finger on why

i think i'm townreading pretty much all the active players except kind of Searchers which is kind of concerning me actually but hey maybe scum are just letting townies yell at each other and relaxing, or something

Ok I'm fully caught up yay

-aus

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:16 am**

I SHOULD HAVE JUST LEFT IMMEDIATELY

SC

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:22 am**

Ok I guess egospray is the new thing now.

@gb head of Egospray; if you don't mind I'd like expansion on some of your reads: your Searcher read/Lati@s read/Despair read?

-aus (I think just assume any non-related posts are Ausuka from this point forward unless stated otherwise)

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:26 am**

ok ok sorry i'm catching up rn.

-gb

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:43 am**

Is bug going to play in the main thread more today at some point george?

-JC

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:12 am**

VOTE COUNT 1 . 9

Disaster Artists
------ 3 ( Flavortown, Black Hole Defection, Mikoto and Kuroko )
L- 6

Egospray
-------------- 3 ( Spiffybringer, Despair Night, The Searchers )
L- 6

Despair Night
--------- 2 ( Egopsray, Latias and Latios )
L- 7

Mikoto and Kuroko
----- 2 ( Blake x Yang, Disaster Artists )
L- 7

Spiffybringer
--------- 1 ( Imperium )
L- 8

The Searchers
--------- 1 ( Feminist Blocc )
L- 8

Latias and Latios
----- 1 ( Smol Might )
L- 8

Flavortown
------------ 1 ( Equitable Androids )
L- 8

Smol Might
------------ 1 ( Cappy )
L- 8

Imperium
-------------- 1 ( NL )
L- 8

Cappy
----------------- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Blake x Yang
---------- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

NL
-------------------- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Black Hole Defection
-- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Equitable Androids
---- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Feminist Blocc
-------- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Unapologetically Foxy
- 0 ( No One )
L- 9

Not Voting
----------- 1 ( Unapologetically Foxy )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2020-04-15 01:56:11)

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:14 am**

This VC looks like a step back from the previous state. Egospray now looks like a counterwagon to DA for no reason, since he was being hot earlier in the day but then everyone dropped it to vote elsewhere. As of VC 7 and 8, egospray had zero votes, why is he popular again now?

@spiffy, despair, searchers

I feel like i could be wrong on The Searchers among those three, his switch does not look good.

-Farkran

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:58 am**

So for these two recent ones:

In post 1766, Feminist Blocc wrote:@gb head of Egospray; if you don't mind I'd like expansion on some of your reads: your Searcher read/Lati@s read/Despair read?

The Searcher/Despair debacle is really interesting, and I think it's most likely TvS. Bug scumreads Despair and I scumread Searcher, but it really feels like they're not both scum with the way they're shitpushing each other.

For Searcher,

In post 991, The Searchers wrote:In addition to what Ircher listed I have a couple other slight SRs but I'm not confident enough to out them atm

SC

Why allude an SR???
Yeah i'm still scumreading Searcher. I think a lot of their posts hone in on small details, making mountains out of molehills.

For Despair,

Their playstyle seems really aggressive, but I can't really tell if that aggressiveness comes from scum or not. I feel like it can be easy to mix up the two.

For Pokemon red and blue, I'm kind of null on them. After that readslist, their posts have been comments on posts with generic replies like "Yeah i like this" or, "this is good posting".

ex.

In post 1161, Latias and Latios wrote:I like this from Spiffeh tbh

-Latios

But their recent argument about not being townread is interesting. I've only ever seen town ever get frustrated about not being townread, sounds more like Scum would act passive about it, or simply shirk it off to seem cool about it.

In post 1768, Disaster Artists wrote:Is bug going to play in the main thread more today at some point george?

-JC

yeah, i'll try and brainstorm with them today.

For now, I think our vote is best placed here.

VOTE: The Searcher

-gb

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:37 pm**

Spoiler: Disaster Artist quotes

I don't like this progression and disagree with pops that it seems genuine. My interpretation of your point here is that insomnia would not propose a shot on you as town. This seems to be implausible out of a self-preservation instinct rather than a doubt he'd scumread you. There seems to be a clause for certainty added, and it seems to be based off of the last 3 games you played. Secondary points are that A) This seems to conflict with his desire for less pressure, as he knows you will react strongly B) The most plausible explanation to you is he's scum hoping to flip his meta. The assumption that seem to underpin all of these is a deep-seated fear of engaging JC scum for insomnia town, but less for JC town/insomnia scum. I think there are counterpoints, but I don't want to create an inaccessible wall and it's not my job to defend a nullread.

With that in mind, I'm really confused by your progression here. #1516 asserts that the scum motivation you're ascribing is now confirmed/very clear. #1517 you confidently state that town insomnia does not do this. #1525 seems to suddenly remember that somni has "these moments" and by #1541 he's a suicidal VI.

The timestamps here of being 10 minutes apart are pretty plausible for rethinking but there's no suggestion of why your mind actually changes here other than that oh yeah, I forgot insomnia has these moments. This is plenty of time to also think whether you really come out in a more advantageous position longterm by shoving him.

I'm still working on the Pink Ball/JC argument but a lot of this is less accessible to me, or at least mutually unintelligible. Things like how Pink Ball plays scum, Pink Ball scumreading JC but not wanting to lynch him, ???. This is bizarre and no one is winning here. #1547 seems to imply that Pink chooses to push JC as scum regardless of JC's alignment. JC clarifies that theater is fishy but the initial choice to focus on the push's existence is ???. #1592 as a response to #1587 does not seem very thought out despite having several minutes to think about it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:43 pm**

In post 1675, Latias and Latios wrote: Town, but I'm feeling really salty that she tried to shoot me down on my alt guess and seems to favor JC over me here

-Latios

CO Blake Belladonna didn't admit it to me when I guessed her disguise right, but not surely, in the Battle of Masons and Mafia. She must think disguises can help even if someone is pretty sure.

--------------------------------------------

CO John Cena, I'm wondering why you started this battle in a disguise but recited many of your signature quotes in a way likely to reveal you. Did you plan to reveal yourself at one point, or did tactics you saw during the battle make you decide to?

Indirect combat units are accumulating on the cells three tiles away from Tag Team egospray, as shown the Superbly Subtle Technology Battle Position Visualizer. I have good intel on CO GeorgeBailey and I have been hoping to see a tactic or two that I can confidently peg as Orange Star due to the lower rank he would get if he joined Black Hole, but I haven't yet found one. So I can't nag COs about this artillery, but I also can't remember why they want to, and I wanna see more of the skinny on why he is with Black Hole.

After reviewing more logging after my catnap, I'm getting the vibe more and more that CO insomnia is Black Hole. He seems to keep saying that CO John Cena is likely Black Hole, but he fully expects CO John Cena to abide by the One Nation Convention on Ethical Warfare signed after the Dual Strike War in how he uses his Vig CO Power. But Black Hole is not a signatory to that convention. While it is possible for CO insomnia to suspect that CO John Cena is Black Hole but not be certain, he's getting very fired up and being unsure would tone down him down if he didn't have a Black Hole dossier that confirms CO John Cena is with Orange Star.

I need to speak with Hawke about our artillery position, which I would like to move towards Tag Team Despair Night, but the current position is definitely a no go so UNVOTE:

Preview technology shows Hawke has just spoken. He may be ticked I don't have my walkie talkie right now, but I will in a few hours.

Posted: **Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:43 pm**

1592's delay was probably when I was beginning to debate trying to get to sleep

You say you don't think it's genuine but I don't know what that means in terms of alignment indication. I'm also not sure what you think is ingenuine vs miscommunications/inaccurate meta?

-JC

Pedit: that waz at not funny text color

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