Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[Iconeum]

i'll be making my final statements now

Ya'll be damn sure you can townread DonC tomorrow if i'm the lynch. Because if this debate is to repeat itself, you better lynch him today. Either DonC is scum, or scum are here helping to push away from his lynch because they want him in LyLo now.

Going back and arguing about DonC should not be done tomorrow. And I know that if i'm alive and DonC was not the lynch, I will probably not trust him. So better lynch me today in that case.

[DonCorleone]

Subject: Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

This sequence seems to me a strong indicator of town mentality.

i was liking his recent posts from 72off

how do you feel about about a current townblock consisting of clidd/ico/walrus/atari/72?

this is a strong basis

Subject: Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

oh and menal probably too

damn i have a lot of townreads

if this game is solved in doobie/lootz/Elmo this is pretty neat

you were calling mena part of your townbloc by the end of D1 despite him having CC'd a role you had rather than just having fakeclaimed a role in the game

so you're very much capable of re-evaluating, and you're not just not doing that here, you're not interested in doing that here. in that game, you checked yourself, said you'd see what other slots thought, and then looked again. here, you haven't done that at all and in fact you've been outright ignoring the two conf!town slots saying that they don't think I'm scum/don't want to Lynch me to pursue the policy argument

[Farkset]

My position towards you DC is that, once you have faked a inno result, your gambit stopped being protown. I never believed you were a true cop until that precise moment. That action is the reason why you have been counterclaimed, why we are in this situation right now, and why you shouldn't survive the day in my opinion.

If you look at your own 1v1 against dunn in the very early d1, in retrospect it doesn't look towny at all - if you are not a cop, you should realize that the true cop might pick your claim up, because your pov is unique in terms of knowledge of what you should be looking for: a cop crumb aimed at you. I only realized it

after

rereading with added knowledge

which you already had

, and that is one of the reasons why you should be the lynch today.

The other reason, independent of the claim, is that your vote progression, in hindsight of the flip, is quite bad and you should admit that yourself. Look at the VC 1.04 to 1.09 by ISOing the mod. This is also true for dunnstral though, but he will have to survive and produce results each day to make up for it, whereas you declared you cannot and you will never be nk'ed for the sake of wifom.

To be honest i think you should give up and embrace your lynch today, while at the same time giving your thoughts (which you did) about who is scum on your wagon. A green flip would *strongly* suggest to look into pepper/ico, a red flip kinda helps their position a lot rn. Your mileage may vary on my own slot, but i don't particularly care about dying, the only piece of valuable information i have will be easily identified tomorrow

-Farkran

pedit: yeah i still think the jailkeeper slot should claim, but they clearly disagree with my suggestion and unfortunately it's not particularly AI if the consensus is with them. This will be postgame discussion, not interested in pursuing it further rn

I want to reiterate that i'm still here with my thought process, i haven't seen anything worthy of changing my mind in the recent pages. If anything, DC switching onto n_m who is off his wagon looks very poor from town!DC pov who is getting wagoned

-Farkran

[DoctorPepper]

Yeah I'm finding it hard to believe that scum want DonC dead. If DonC was town and he got the scum team right and was pushing for them, he's easily discredit able.

Not saying you're not town, it's just I find it hard to believe that Ico would expend so much effort in your lynch when it's beneficial for scum for you to be here

Plus, I really think NM is a bad lynch. Even if it's just an info lynch his lynch gives us nothing

[Iconeum]

Subject: Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

This sequence seems to me a strong indicator of town mentality.

i was liking his recent posts from 72off

how do you feel about about a current townblock consisting of clidd/ico/walrus/atari/72?

this is a strong basis

Subject: Newbie 1989 (Game over!)

oh and menal probably too

damn i have a lot of townreads

if this game is solved in doobie/lootz/Elmo this is pretty neat

you were calling mena part of your townbloc by the end of D1 despite him having CC'd a role you had rather than just having fakeclaimed a role in the game

so you're very much capable of re-evaluating, and you're not just not doing that here, you're not interested in doing that here. in that game, you checked yourself, said you'd see what other slots thought, and then looked again. here, you haven't done that at all and in fact you've been outright ignoring the two conf!town slots saying that they don't think I'm scum/don't want to Lynch me to pursue the policy argument

have you considered that maybe menal actually *did things* to make me reconsider? and that you havent?

[Iconeum]

you were calling mena part of your townbloc by the end of D1 despite him having CC'd a role you had rather than just having fakeclaimed a role in the gameso you're very much capable of re-evaluating, and you're not just not doing that here, you're not interested in doing that here. in that game, you checked yourself, said you'd see what other slots thought, and then looked again. here, you haven't done that at all and in fact you've been outright ignoring the two conf!town slots saying that they don't think I'm scum/don't want to Lynch me to pursue the policy argument

it's a very bad take to meta argue that i've pushed for a policy lynch once, and got around to townreading that person by the end of the day and therefore I HAVE to be doing the same here or i'm scum. Am I capable of reassessing? Sure I like to believe that.

have you given reasons to be called town by now? No i don't think so. Somehow it's proof that I'm scum to you

[skitter30]

do you wanna try icon if you're concerned about NM being PR and being checkable by dunn?

honestly i dont' know
i'm not good at making snap decisions like this, i usuaslly need to think about it for longer
i'm not sure any of these are good options

[DonCorleone]

Yeah I'm finding it hard to believe that scum want DonC dead. If DonC was town and he got the scum team right and was pushing for them, he's easily discredit able.

Not saying you're not town, it's just I find it hard to believe that Ico would expend so much effort in your lynch when it's beneficial for scum for you to be here

Plus, I really think NM is a bad lynch. Even if it's just an info lynch his lynch gives us nothing

except if icon is scum then it makes a lot of sense for him to be pushing me, particularly in any scenario where NM is scum -- because the two main alternatives would be him or his buddy

whereas he was happy to divert from me to you, what do you think that says knowing your own alignment?

[skitter30]

Not saying you're not town, it's just I find it hard to believe that Ico would expend so much effort in your lynch when it's beneficial for scum for you to be here

i mean tbf if ico is scum he basically has a 'get-out-of-jail' free card in dc and he might be choosing to expend it now if he feels threatened
not really sure that this exonorates ico

[Iconeum]

Ya'll be damn sure you can townread DonC tomorrow if i'm the lynch. Because if this debate is to repeat itself, you better lynch him today. Either DonC is scum, or scum are here helping to push away from his lynch because they want him in LyLo now.

this be the essence of where I will leave you all

If you don't think you can townread DonC tomorrow, lynch him.
If you think he's town, well don't lynch him and do what you will. Just don't start arguing about what he did and if he miiight be scum after all, after this. Now is your chance. Not tomorrow.

Does anyone want me claiming before I leave?

[skitter30]

i think this is tvt unfortunately

[DonCorleone]

you were calling mena part of your townbloc by the end of D1 despite him having CC'd a role you had rather than just having fakeclaimed a role in the gameso you're very much capable of re-evaluating, and you're not just not doing that here, you're not interested in doing that here. in that game, you checked yourself, said you'd see what other slots thought, and then looked again. here, you haven't done that at all and in fact you've been outright ignoring the two conf!town slots saying that they don't think I'm scum/don't want to Lynch me to pursue the policy argument

it's a very bad take to meta argue that i've pushed for a policy lynch once, and got around to townreading that person by the end of the day and therefore I HAVE to be doing the same here or i'm scum. Am I capable of reassessing? Sure I like to believe that.

have you given reasons to be called town by now? No i don't think so. Somehow it's proof that I'm scum to you

you haven't been trying to look for reasons I'm town lol, only for reasons I'm scum. you've not even been arguing for it beyond the fact that "oh DC won't be good for Lylo/DC fakeclaimed cop". the lack of desire to actually sort me is there, you're just trying to secure my Lynch, which makes a lot of sense if you want to keep it off you or NM

[DonCorleone]

VOTE: iconeum

[DonCorleone]

would lowkey prefer NM but apparently that's not wanted because of draft order

[Farkset]

@kerset, would you lynch Iconeum?

Possibly but your effort to survive as vanilla is even more concerning.
~ker

[skitter30]

if i had to pick, i'd pick dc unfortunately because:
- he has a claim out there already
- there is some level of wifom that's inherently going to surround him till he's resolved or the game is over

and for these reasons i think he's better than the other semi-viable options (ico, dp, nm)

[skitter30]

like if there was more time i'd have a different opinion but i dont' feel like i can do super much when the game becomes really active like two hours before deadline

[DonCorleone]

skitter should probably be re-evaluated if icon/NM flips scum tomorrow

[DonCorleone]

I can see scum her choosing to white knight me today but not actually following through with a vote to keep the Lynch off me, just making sure her positioning is right

[skitter30]

i mean i'm not sure what you want from me
i can't make good decisions when the relevant information happens on a very short timeframe when i don't know who or if will be here to enact those decisions

[skitter30]

like i'm acknowledign you're most likely town
there's a series of bad options in a two-hour timeframe and i have to pick one, and i don't want a no-lynch
i'm doing the best with what i have

[skitter30]

ico isn't going to be here before deadline again to claim presumably
nm is second on the list and he can just get checked by the cop who probably isn't dying tonight given {watch and potential doc}
dp is part of how dunn is going to live through the night, if he's scum either needs to claim blocked (which would be a scumclaim for the rb/jk imo too); give true results and be unable to kill dunn; kill dunn and be forced to make up results (which would probably conflict with a potential doc that visits him)

[DonCorleone]

err, let's see

dunn, JV, CSF are all lockdown

alimdia is probably town for being the CW on D1 to aldus
skitter has seemed townie but I'm not convinced this play is town
farkset has had a terrible day in trying to force a 1v1 between me and dunn, and through insisting on this policy Lynch. I don't think this makes them scum, as farkran tends to insist on playing mafia according to his "ideal model" of how people should play, rather than based on any empirical evidence of how people actually play, but do revisit him if needed.

drpepper has had really similar reads to me throughout, could be scum but don't really prefer him to the others
datisi is kind of townier for not just hopping on me despite me pushing him, has been very reasonable -- not clearing, but enough for me to not want them today anymore

drew has done very little and again has just sheeped onto me using policy logic, I don't think he's trying to solve
NM has literally not played the game at all, icon and fark resisting the attempt to pivot here means that if he's scum they're likely partners
icon looks like scum to me who's intransigent

[skitter30]

like i wouldn't be surrpised if dp is scum and is actually like commuter or something else entirely but he's locked into a claim and if things start looking fishy he just gets lynched at some point

[DonCorleone]

I would say lynch twice in the bottom group of names

I always tend to feel like scum is pushing me in situations like this so those reads might be totally wrong and scum are just positioning to be on the right side of my mislynch in which case datisi/skitter might make sense? in terms of people who have kind of not wanted me dead but not really made moves to resist it