In post 1716, Micc wrote:couldn't have been too much of a panic. he thought about it enough to lie about a number of shots.
this is actually a good point.
you two are seriously suggesting Emperorflippynips is making up the fruit stuff? he's been confirmed by 2 people who have received fruit. You can say he's scum, but he clearly didn't make up everything. and how could lying about number of shots be scum indicative? On balance of probability, it's consistent with town.
We should almost certainly have massclaimed by now, if Prana is actually a serious option to lynch...
That said I've basically given up hope for this game until the cartel of chaos can be broken, and so anything more than pointing out some of the obvious logical failings is beyond me.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:07 am
by brassherald
Dunnstral replaces CooLDoG
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:21 am
by Dunnstral
Meta bad
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:23 am
by Dunnstral
In post 1557, Hoopla wrote:2-shot gunsmith/full watcher is a lot of investigation power - especially when town was given a roleblocker (capable of pseudo-investigations).
I agree that these 3 roles are a lot of power. I think normal game reviewers tend to put a bit more power into town than 2-shot gunsmith + roleblocker, though.
With that being said: I don't think mafia kills Agar while Prana is alive if he's really watcher. That's a huge gamble, unless they planned to say Prana was lying if they got caught?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:25 am
by Dunnstral
But looking at the setup alone: I'd sooner say that Watcher + Roleblocker was real
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:30 am
by Dunnstral
In post 1633, UnaBombaH wrote:Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.
Roughly in that order - Battle Mage potentially being a scum!Doc has been in my mind ever since Flippy claimed. (but like said, not a discussion for today)
That's still a pool of four, so I need to do better, but there's still the off-chance that Prana flips green, so I'm holding my breath until I see the results.
UnaB, Hiraki, Flippy, bob are my lock-towns.
Kudos to any and all of them for their performance if they end up being scum! :lol:
Gypyx is the remaining slot, and I do not like the fact that they went from looking like scum, to looking like a VI, to being non-existent in this game.
They are the flippy-flop that scum want in LyLo if they ever get there - it's been written on the wall ever since D1.
Really? i think everyone in that list of 4 is town.
You've been confirmed not to have a gun.
Mafia!Doctor doesn't have a gun for gunsmith to see.
So no, neither of us is "cop confirmed".
I really doubt there's a godfather type mafia if we look at the power without a watcher
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:34 am
by Dunnstral
In post 1678, notscience wrote:You know other than the flipped one flippys the only confirmed role right
I think Prana is sure to be a power role. Otherwise, Prana would be the one carrying out the scum kill, instead of Klick, since there's always an inherent risk with carrying out the kill, and watcher claims aren't likely to be messed with by town on night 1
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:37 am
by Dunnstral
In post 1711, Micc wrote:Feels pretty unlikely that town has [roleblocker/gunsmith/watcher/bulletproof] and the scum team wouldn't be able to prevent a result from either the gunsmith or the watcher while killing the roleblocker. prana's claimed result is dubious and his reaction to being pushed doesn't look that great so lynching there makes sense. The flipside to that is Flippy being scum who has fake claimed gunsmith on top of being a fruit vendor. Considering he was also run up day 1, it seems possible, but I'm not sure how I feel about scum fruit vendor. I guess it would have utility in messing with a watcher?
My initial take aligns with the voting block on prana, I get where that case comes from. If there's a case behind the Hoopla counterwagon I haven't found it yet. I also don't get the impression that notscience is on the table at all so I'm not sure I understand where his "prana or me" statement comes from.
I think it's very likely that Battle mage is lying about his role. That's not something I'm chasing, but I can't use his role in setup analysis, really
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:43 am
by Dunnstral
In post 1737, UnaBombaH wrote:And ffs.
Even if you weren't a Watcher, but still scum.
Your actions aren't as impressive as you make them sound.
N1 - you claimed no one targeted Flippy.
What role could've/would've targeted Flippy at that point?
He was a claimed PR, so no town-blockers obv.
Potentially a Watcher - but you already knew there was no counterclaim to yours - so not that either.
I could've only been a town!protective, or a straight-up Cop - EITHER OF WHICH you would've been happy to out if you had shitty luck.
Furthermore - scum would've known that there had been no protective on Flippy N1 if they tried to kill someone else, and wake up to a no-kill.
Your N1 action-claim would've been almost a freebie to scum anyway.
And your N2 action?
Scum now had the information where the protective was in AGar, and they already knew I had gotten a fruit.
Therefore targeting me became the "freebie" action to claim. Why would anyone target me N2? :lol:
It's simpler than that.
Klick probably tried to kill somebody who wasn't flippy, and scum assumed it was the work of a doctor. So they knew that role wasn't on flippy, and flippy themself was the investigative claim, so it's unlikely for a cop to go there either.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:45 am
by Dunnstral
VOTE: PranaDevil
There's too much evidence against your claim being fake to not lynch here
In post 1633, UnaBombaH wrote:Once Prana flips red, the last scum is in notscience / CoolDoG / Battle Mage / Hoopla.
Roughly in that order - Battle Mage potentially being a scum!Doc has been in my mind ever since Flippy claimed. (but like said, not a discussion for today)
That's still a pool of four, so I need to do better, but there's still the off-chance that Prana flips green, so I'm holding my breath until I see the results.
UnaB, Hiraki, Flippy, bob are my lock-towns.
Kudos to any and all of them for their performance if they end up being scum!
Gypyx is the remaining slot, and I do not like the fact that they went from looking like scum, to looking like a VI, to being non-existent in this game.
They are the flippy-flop that scum want in LyLo if they ever get there - it's been written on the wall ever since D1.
Really? i think everyone in that list of 4 is town.
I do love that Una described himself as locktown, and then gave himself kudos if he turned out to be scum and pulled the wool over his own eyes.
I guess you're going Bob or Hiraki then? surely notscience is just more likely right?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:48 am
by Battle Mage
In post 1754, Dunnstral wrote:But looking at the setup alone: I'd sooner say that Watcher + Roleblocker was real
In post 1678, notscience wrote:You know other than the flipped one flippys the only confirmed role right
I think Prana is sure to be a power role. Otherwise, Prana would be the one carrying out the scum kill, instead of Klick, since there's always an inherent risk with carrying out the kill, and watcher claims aren't likely to be messed with by town on night 1
There's too much evidence against your claim being fake to not lynch here
What the fuck is this progression? Was the vote a mistake, or has all your posting to date been complete BS?
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:50 am
by Dunnstral
I don't know about bob/hiraki. I saw something earlier that made me think notscience wasn't scum with klick, which I'll go find now:
In post 878, notscience wrote:Rereading and actually applying myself because Klick’s entirely right that im coasting and I need to not be.
Post 1757 makes me think Prana is a power role, but not necessarily town. Note that scum cannot carry out the kill and use a power role during the same night. That's what I'm getting at. 1754 is taken out of context, because I say things the other way as well.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:51 am
by Dunnstral
I think if Prana were town, mafia would have a roleblocker of their own. Yet they clearly don't.
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:58 am
by Battle Mage
whatever, nobody else is being lynched today so let's get the game moving.
he's been confirmed by 2 people who have received fruit. You can say he's scum, but he clearly didn't make up everything. and how could lying about number of shots be scum indicative? On balance of probability, it's consistent with town. 
