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In post 1746, Servant Lancer wrote:....Huh? Isn't the FOS engagement with Rider? How can it go anywhere before Rider posts a response or someone else does? But you immediately called Shielder scum for it before Rider had gotten back into the thread. I dont get your point now.

Oh, I didn't mean to offend you and have you clam up. I'm simply stating that I don't understand your point and on examination your point has a lot of holes in it.

Wrong quote.
That was in response to beast.

I'm not claming up but I also have no interest in you telling me how I should feel about something you did.

Mommy feels how she wants to feel.

I'm not telling you how to feel though either

So... You're just telling me why I am wrong for the fun of it? I don't think I'm wrong. You can keep talking about why you disagree with me about it but it would be more effective from literally any other player but you. I'm not sure why you are hung up on defending yourself to me.

I think we're just miscommunicating.
I understand what you mean, you don't like it when people claim any part of their role. For you assume, no reason.

So let's talk about something more productive since I entertained your questions. I'm town reading shielder, you are not. Hence your vote. If I haven't made it clear, my vote on caster is because I want a controversial vote today, not just the lowest hanging fruit. Part of that reason is because after a teammate gets eliminated, I feel like scum go for the lowest hanging fruit. Right now that is the town fool shielder. Why not try something spicy today. You can blame me tomorrow for it if you want.

mmmmm.
Was Archer not low hanging fruit?

In post 1758, Servant Avenger wrote:mmmmm.
Was Archer not low hanging fruit?

Oh heck yes he was. The point is two low hanging fruit are so unlikely to be scum back to back and scum would want to push that second low hanging fruit to get on the scoreboard.

I don't really do the blame game at people for being wrong on a scum/town read. That's pretty much the most common occurrence.
I like poking around though.

I'll think on it/look back. I'll pay more attention to caster though, sorry for the awkward conversation.

In post 1752, Servant Avenger wrote: Wrong quote.
That was in response to beast.

Can you reply to me, though? I don't understand your argument or why you quoted those posts to say Shielder is for sure scum. Saying Shielder never went to engage with Rider when the two posts in question are back to back is really ????.

In post 1759, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 1758, Servant Avenger wrote:mmmmm.
Was Archer not low hanging fruit?

Oh heck yes he was. The point is two low hanging fruit are so unlikely to be scum back to back and scum would want to push that second low hanging fruit to get on the scoreboard.

I don't think this is how probability works. Once you know the first coin was heads, ...

I do not have time to answer shielder today but I also dont know if I'm planning to at all unless someone else cares.

It just pinged me in a very visceral way. Consider it pattern recognition.
If it's not in the form of a question with a question mark it's not really directed at rider in particular from my pov. I know that's not always true though.

You should probably answer shielder caster. It's good to communicate.

@Caster, I know it's probably pretty late, but do you think that any of the people that voted for you might be scum? (Currently and during the master phase?)

I also care.
And okay Avenger, thanks.

In post 1763, Servant Caster wrote:

In post 1759, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 1758, Servant Avenger wrote:mmmmm.
Was Archer not low hanging fruit?

Oh heck yes he was. The point is two low hanging fruit are so unlikely to be scum back to back and scum would want to push that second low hanging fruit to get on the scoreboard.

I don't think this is how probability works. Once you know the first coin was heads, ...

I do not have time to answer shielder today but I also dont know if I'm planning to at all unless someone else cares.

I'd like to hear your explanations on lancer shielder and beserker.

In post 1766, Servant Avenger wrote:@Caster, I know it's probably pretty late, but do you think that any of the people that voted for you might be scum? (Currently and during the master phase?)

I mean I just gave you a list of 5 suspects. Wherever those people are voting right now, answers gonna be the same. I could absolutely see scum voting me for master, since all of us were probably town and I'd think they might have avoided avenger.

One thing I kinda like about the recent back and forth between Beast and Avenger is the (what appears to be) paranoia about Avenger's efforts to get a 48 hour decision on who to lynch for the sake of activating an ability.

Unless I've missed something, that's also a new thought in the thread.

Sorry for the incoming quote-wall. If you don't like them, concerned parties therein are Ruler, Avenger, Beast, Lancer.

In post 1700, Servant Ruler wrote:But let me put it like this. If scum were going to cede the master to town where is the most likely place they would have ended up?

I doubt stagnating on Avenger is the play. Caster/shielder as a duo still doesn't make multiple scum on assassin any less likely.

I looked back at archer moving from Assassin to avenger and back and it reads to me like Archer trying to generate favor for himself and being coached back onto Assassin. Alternate theory is Archer trying to reverse trajectory in the hopes that caster goes through but Lancer flipped from Caster to assassin and that may have made Caster unmasterable. The dominos fell after that.

If scum decided to cede the master to town, which they evidently did, their votes end up literally anywhere. They are, in that situation, encouraged not to coach each other into doing anything because that leads to the very associatives they're trying to avoid by ceding master to town anyways. If scum did indeed coach Archer back onto Assassin (which I believe they did), we'd have to ask why. I have my own opinions on this, and I think everyone should, but I don't think now is the time to discuss the reasons. I don't really buy into the second theory because given Archer's play I don't think he was really in a position (nor, and I mean no offense, did he have the level of skill) to swap a vote with the intent of reversing trajectory for town points.

Further, if he'd swapped to Caster instead, Caster would've been at E-2. That's a whole lot more likely to push through instead of ??? Avenger swap.

In post 1702, Servant Avenger wrote:@Rider: Right after our little tiff. I'd be happier with full reads lists with reasons still. As it gives me something more solid to work with. But you're doing better this day phase in general imo.

Aww, you're a sweetie too. Since I'm not pissy at you anymore, I'll actually do this for you. Not here though; don't want it to get lost.

In post 1718, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 1652, Servant Rider wrote:

In post 1599, Servant Beast wrote:Invested? Not really. Just riding that post scum elim high, so I'm willing to sell my vote to beserker especially since the alt wagon is shielder and I don't feel comfortable eliminating them today.

Why are you voting Caster instead of one of your other four scumreads? I'm inferring from your post that you're sheeping Berserker, but why are you sheeping them onto someone you've stated you think is town?

Because when have I ever been right about my scum/town reads day 1? I'm happy with eliminating one in the first half and sheeping a strong town read for the second. Best chance to get lucky, let someone else be lucky.

I have a much harder time responding to this in an anon game, as I don't know who you are. It strikes me as odd though since you were in fact right once already (you voted Archer) and it would instill confidence in you, not cause you to get insecure (or whatever word best describes what you're doing) and sheep Berserker. I think Berserker's town as fuck, but I'm not sheeping her and in fact disagree violently with quite a few things she's said. You'll find out what in the next episode of Rider Reads Z.

In post 1722, Servant Assassin wrote:

Archer/Lancer:

Conclusion

There's some things in here I like, but also some I don't like, and I wouldn't say any of it is clearing but the way Lancer pestered Archer and got ignored for some time is slightly town, given how we saw Archer clam up under pressure it is possible to give Lancer towncred here although the end result of his questioning is a bit disappointing.

Where are you on Lancer now? You haven't talked about them in a while (not since d0 iirc) and I'm curious where you're at on them now.

In post 1724, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 1719, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:So your reasoning for voting Caster is you may be wrong in thinking Caster is town and

you aren't ever right D1 (if we ignore Archer)

? Am I understanding that correctly?

And if you don't trust your own reads, then why trust Berserker's over, I dunno, literally anyone else's? Is she your strongest town read?

I'm not right %100 of the scum team. If at the end of the game my day 1 scum reads include the entire scum team, I will buy you a beer.

And currently yes. I don't see scum coming off archers elimination with that much passion just to push a miselimination and my avenger town read has waned since we got out of day 0.

Passion doesn't make you right, and if anyone can play scum with Passion (capital intentional), it's Berserker. Not remotely implying Berserker is scum, but this is a terrible reason to sheep her. Further, shouldn't Avenger pushing the Shielder elim strengthen the townread back up? He's set himself up to take the full wrath of Berserker (and has said as much) in order to get Shielder out of the game. Scum doesn't do that, particularly not in the "everyone thinks Avenger is town" position he's in.

In post 1726, Servant Saber wrote:I kinda feel this is townie. I still feel like mostly silence is better though because that's what we did so far and it netted scum. So this post is creating a bit of cognitive dissonance for me.

I'm not sure where the inconsistency is. Lancer's got people gunning for him (hi!) and basically admits he's been inactive and not helped public opinion towards him. Where da cogdis?

In post 1740, Servant Lancer wrote:Why does Shielder have to vote the player he was most recently suspicious of? It's like you're looking at the two posts with zero context from the rest of them. Shielder also said he townread me, so disliking Rider's vote for me automatically just feels like a natural extension of that.

Though I'll mention I get Rider's post about why he SRs me. Like, he's not wrong, that is basically what happened from an outside POV because my activity dropped off hard.

Are you caught up now? If you are, where's your head at?

In post 1764, Servant Avenger wrote:It just pinged me in a very visceral way. Consider it pattern recognition.
If it's not in the form of a question with a question mark it's not really directed at rider in particular from my pov. I know that's not always true though.

Did I miss something from Shielder?

In post 1644, Servant Lancer wrote:Archer was the only one I had good reasons for but everybody caught him already so f
Caster is part gut and me thinking I TRed him for the wrong reasons at first. It also relies on Shielder being town. I need to catch up but it's like I have a mental block towards doing so. And I have read all of the pages, they're just not coming into anything for me.
And now that I look at this page, he argues for Shielder scum again and then joins him on Ruler, because dueling wagons, when Shielder has barely any votes. I don't know if that means anything but it's not what I'd expect with a Shielder SR.

I don't really have any more developed reads which sucks, I know. I'll see what I can do about getting more invested.

F in the chat for Archer. I know my last wall asked if you were caught up, but I saw this in your ISO and started getting interrogatory.

What were the wrong reasons to TR Caster? What about his more recent play caused you to reverse (other than the inconsistency towards Shielder you mention here)? Why do you think Shielder is town?

In post 1771, Servant Rider wrote:If scum decided to cede the master to town, which they evidently did, their votes end up literally anywhere.

This is not true. Some town options can be better than others for scum. You're putting the cart before the horse.

Also, Hi Beast.

In post 1771, Servant Rider wrote:I'm not sure where the inconsistency is. Lancer's got people gunning for him (hi!) and basically admits he's been inactive and not helped public opinion towards him. Where da cogdis?

It's my cog dis because of how Lancer admitted he was inactive. He didn't accuse people of being scummy for pushing him but he took responsibility for his prior play.

I like naked voting right now because I feel we have scum on the ropes but then I see a post like that and I am not so sure.