I caught Gamma's soft: that's why I suddenly read changed on Guillotina. I backed off of it though when Gamma seemed to stop pushing what I thought was a guilty. I forgot about it on day start but I agree it might be worth looking at.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:55 am
by Lukewarm
In post 1732, Dwlee99 wrote:The flavor makes some sense because Cyrus was Frog's best friend according to the wiki
But the reason why it does not really fit is because he is not introduced until much later in the game. I feel like there is a pretty big disparity of the flavor knowledge at the moment, so here is like a run down of the Cathedral
Spoiler:
At that point in time, the players are in a medieval cathedral that has been taken over by Yakra(robert). He is the boss of the dungeon, and I would assume that would make him the most powerful pr on the scum team, which is another reason why I don't think that the slip was planned.
Generic enemies in that same dungeon, and what I would guess to be the flavor names of the other bad guys: Diablo, Viper, Underling, Bat, Naga. Of those, I would be most surprised if there is not a Naga because there is a whole scene of walking into the cathedral, and it having nuns and then it being a big reveal that all of the nuns are actually nagas in disguise
And those are the bad buys in the cathedral.
Now for the everyone else related to the scene.
The playable party at the time is : Frog, Chrono, and Lucca, who I assume would all be town prs in this set up.
Other related characters include:
Queen Leene, who Yakra is holding hostage and is the person the party is trying to save.
Marle, who the gang is also trying to save, she is not in the cathedral, but saving Leene=saving Marle because of time travel, after you save her she becomes a playable party member
The Chancellor, who Yakra is impersonating and when you save Leene you also save him
There is a Commander of the guards. He like has some dialogue and stuff, does not actually go to the cathedral, but also the VTs of this game also don't, and he would make sense going with the vts.
At one point, there are 3 enemies pretending to be all of Leene, the chancellor, and the commander all physically inside the cathedral.
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I am putting all of these, in order of how likely I thought they were to be in the game
So far, there have been no flips to make me question the assumptions that I entered into this game with. So, I doubt T3's flavor claim
In post 1209, Guillotina wrote:If Gamma’s vote has been in fact stolen, im locking him town.
VOTE: Dwlee99
Well this is completely incongruent
What is incongruent? Have i ever said that i dont scum read you?
Gamma having his vote stolen = lock town
Droo voting me = scum WIFOM
Fixing my last post
Third time is the charm?
Ok. What is incongruent about it?
If Gamna’s vote was stolen last night, he is lock town for having his vote stolen, that is definitely a scum ability.
This same scum ability could very well place that vote on anyone, including their own to WIFOM us into changing our reads. By the way the Droo vote has been used, it tells me that most likely the votes on you and Robert are WIFOM and that you both are scum, because there is no way scum are so incompetent to waste such a powerful action and not secretly hammer a target at L-1 and instead vote you guys the way they did.
The other option is they are doing it to feed my paranoia of you and Robert, but again, why waste that action to fool just me.
I dont buy it. I need you dead to find out.
Guillo's ISO hits different with Marashu's case in mind. It sounds like he's low key flaming his buddies for fucking up the DROO vote. He also kept pushing for RMH/Dwlee/Gamma associatives but then wanted Dwlee gone towards EoD. Cyrus never switched to voting RMH when he replaced in and kept his vote on Dwlee. He also claimed to be Gaspar lol, so yeah I'm convinced this is a solved game at this point.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:57 am
by Lukewarm
In post 1747, Titus wrote:Because my flavor also has Yakra in it and the flipped scum was Yakra.
Do you mind claiming the full flavor name at this point?
In post 1732, Dwlee99 wrote:The flavor makes some sense because Cyrus was Frog's best friend according to the wiki
But the reason why it does not really fit is because he is not introduced until much later in the game. I feel like there is a pretty big disparity of the flavor knowledge at the moment, so here is like a run down of the Cathedral
Spoiler:
At that point in time, the players are in a medieval cathedral that has been taken over by Yakra(robert). He is the boss of the dungeon, and I would assume that would make him the most powerful pr on the scum team, which is another reason why I don't think that the slip was planned.
Generic enemies in that same dungeon, and what I would guess to be the flavor names of the other bad guys: Diablo, Viper, Underling, Bat, Naga. Of those, I would be most surprised if there is not a Naga because there is a whole scene of walking into the cathedral, and it having nuns and then it being a big reveal that all of the nuns are actually nagas in disguise
And those are the bad buys in the cathedral.
Now for the everyone else related to the scene.
The playable party at the time is : Frog, Chrono, and Lucca, who I assume would all be town prs in this set up.
Other related characters include:
Queen Leene, who Yakra is holding hostage and is the person the party is trying to save.
Marle, who the gang is also trying to save, she is not in the cathedral, but saving Leene=saving Marle because of time travel, after you save her she becomes a playable party member
The Chancellor, who Yakra is impersonating and when you save Leene you also save him
There is a Commander of the guards. He like has some dialogue and stuff, does not actually go to the cathedral, but also the VTs of this game also don't, and he would make sense going with the vts.
At one point, there are 3 enemies pretending to be all of Leene, the chancellor, and the commander all physically inside the cathedral.
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I am putting all of these, in order of how likely I thought they were to be in the game
So far, there have been no flips to make me question the assumptions that I entered into this game with. So, I doubt T3's flavor claim
We disagree, in that I believe any non-Yakra boss is also scum, for the simple fact that a non-Yakra mystic boss is already claimed.
It's the mystics that brought Cyrus back. He was never alive during the actual game itself.
In post 1648, Titus wrote:Slight chance I am a flavor miller. I never played the game but RMH flip makes me suspect that might be the case.
This got passed over. Why do you think you're a flavor miller?
Because my flavor also has Yakra in it and the flipped scum was Yakra.
Quoting the OP here, but would this be the Yakra flavour in your role? Feel free to ignore this; just want to make sure you aren't overlooking it and referencing this as the Yakra mentioned in your flavour:
Cyrus wouldn't be in the game my dude, and you pretty obviously tried to get Frog to out themself. You also supposedly have a Rolecop check, which makes zero sense for flavor btw, but you haven't told us who you've checked.
I literally never heard of Chrono Trigger before joining the site.
Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:07 am
by House
In post 1763, Dwlee99 wrote:Did you miss where Gamma super implied a guilty on Cyrus?
I missed where you don't know simple mechanics.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:07 am
by Roden
I'd love to be right about my original read on Dwlee but I think they just sheeped scum this game. The buddying with RMH is really obvious otherwise.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:08 am
by Dwlee99
The inventor is flavor probably
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:08 am
by Dwlee99
In post 1765, Roden wrote:I'd love to be right about my original read on Dwlee but I think they just sheeped scum this game. The buddying with RMH is really obvious otherwise.
I've never been wrong before
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:09 am
by House
In post 1765, Roden wrote:I'd love to be right about my original read on Dwlee but I think they just sheeped scum this game. The buddying with RMH is really obvious otherwise.
He's trying to distract from the T3 wagon, but I certainly agree that 3rd scum is definitely one of {Mara/dwlee}.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:10 am
by Lukewarm
In post 1755, House wrote:We disagree, in that I believe any non-Yakra boss is also scum, for the simple fact that a non-Yakra mystic boss is already claimed.
It's the mystics that brought Cyrus back. He was never alive during the actual game itself.
Any Cyrus MUST be red.
I think that we agree that the T3 "cyrus flavor" claim looks like a scum claim.
We just are not on the same page on how we got there. You seem to think he really is cyrus. I think that he is like a Naga or something fake claiming the flavor name Cyrus.
Imo, it looks like T3 appears to not know the flavor, googled the characters, and saw Cyrus listed as Frog's friend on the wiki and went with it
In post 1755, House wrote:We disagree, in that I believe any non-Yakra boss is also scum, for the simple fact that a non-Yakra mystic boss is already claimed.
It's the mystics that brought Cyrus back. He was never alive during the actual game itself.
Any Cyrus MUST be red.
I think that we agree that the T3 "cyrus flavor" claim looks like a scum claim.
We just are not on the same page on how we got there. You seem to think he really is cyrus. I think that he is like a Naga or something fake claiming the flavor name Cyrus.
Imo, it looks like T3 appears to not know the flavor, googled the characters, and saw Cyrus listed as Frog's friend on the wiki and went with it
I'm pretty sure he's Cyrus the Ghost.
Cyrus the Ghost was invincible. Only Glenn (Frog) could hurt him. It explains why T3 wants Frog outed so badly.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:14 am
by Marashu
I'm ok with voting T3 off first. I just want to make sure we don't ignore a potential guilty.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:18 am
by Dwlee99
If I fake claim an inno on t3 will people believe me?
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:21 am
by House
Scratch that, Cyrus the Ghost is in 1000 AD.
Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:22 am
by Marashu
Also, you don't fight Cyrus if Frog is in your party. He only fights you if Frog's not in your party.
