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Post Post #1750 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:38 am

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In post 1744, Enchant wrote:
In post 1742, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
In post 1500, Enchant wrote:but now probably have incentive to kill me.
Which would make Gamma suspicious on your flip, no? Would it be worth it for Gamma?
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Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"
I think you’re mixing up Gamma with Norwee? Isn’t he the one who said you should play differently or something?

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Post Post #1751 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:42 am

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In post 1747, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1746, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1639, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 1638, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 1634, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Most recently because they have failed to explain why they placed a vote on someone they described as highly likely to be town.
bbt said both were highly likely to be town tbf
And rather than even suggesting an alternative, they voted one of us.
Do you really think an alternative wagon is viable at this point :?: :cop:
It's always possible that we CFD from the current options to an entirely unexpected person, but more importantly the wagon they suggested didn't need to be viable at that time, they just needed to suggest it.
Koba informed me awhile ago that we shouldn’t use the term “CFD” because it has racist connotations. Flashwagon is preferable.

I really think we should get an extension because it took so long for goldfish to get replaced.

@mod, is it possible we get a breif extension to allow Kop to get caught up?
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Post Post #1752 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:44 am

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In post 1750, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
In post 1744, Enchant wrote:
In post 1742, Don Draper x Mistress wrote:
In post 1500, Enchant wrote:but now probably have incentive to kill me.
Which would make Gamma suspicious on your flip, no? Would it be worth it for Gamma?
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Nah, most likely result will be "Ugh well Enchant deserves this, so anyway let's kill NM"
I think you’re mixing up Gamma with Norwee? Isn’t he the one who said you should play differently or something?

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Who is even advocating for that? Certainly not us? Why do you keep bringing up NM anyway?

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Post Post #1753 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:49 am

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In post 1743, Enchant wrote:This scumread is not genuine.
How do you know whether it is or isn’t and I ask you again, why isn’t it possible from your perspective that he could just be wrong? Why do you view pretty’s much anyone sr you as being scum as opposed to just wrong? It’s not like you’re actually easy to read and you objectively do act scummy irrespective of alignment so I think that’s kind of unreasonable and unfair on your part.
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Post Post #1754 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:53 am

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In post 1729, Bellaphant wrote:You keep saying this and I keep posting reads while you don't. It's boring and annoying. I think my progression on reads is fairly transparent too - I moved from scum reading norwee to thinking they are most likely town, my tr of the hydra is slipping, etc: I'm not hiding things

We solve differently, I'm never as aggressive as you as town or scum.

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Do you have other scum reads? Your scum read of me feels weirdly 'safe', especially because you aren't basing it on much.
Because I didn’t see the votecount and we aren’t currently tr you? Tell me how this doesn’t look at least slightly like omgus?

You’re the one who was shading us because I didn’t see the vc. Are you now going to deny that fact?
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Post Post #1755 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:58 am

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Or rather count the votes correctly.
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Post Post #1756 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:05 am

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In post 1745, Bellaphant wrote:Awkward, because I was about to respond to bbt that nm kinda fills that middle role for me.

@mistress, no, I'll post proper responses after its not dinner/bath/bed time
How so when NM isn’t even being remotely hedgey? He’s made it abundantly clear what his reads are no?
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Post Post #1757 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:32 am

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Auro’s agreeing with me on Enchant.
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Post Post #1758 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 8:48 am

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In post 1583, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.
If you're believing that the chances of them both being town as high, why would you vote for one of them? Why aren't you putting the case forward for them being town, and actually voting for the person who YOU believe is to be scum, and put the case forward?

I know if I was in you're shoes, if I believed the chances of someone being town, I wouldn't be voting them to get them eliminated, even at this late stage of the day. I'd be trying to build cases on who I believed to be scum and trying to get them eliminated.
In post 1601, Enchant wrote:Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.
I think the chances of all the scum team being on your wagon, is very very low, but not out of the question.
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In post 1583, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.
I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:
Frustration can also be faked as scum.
In post 1614, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1606, Not_Mafia wrote: I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:
Disagree that both can't be town but agree that Jake seems more likely to be scum.

If Frog's attack on the hydra at start of D2 was from scum, I'm impressed.

VOTE: Jake

E-1 I think?
You said the chances were high for both being town, but now it's changed. What made you change your mind?
In post 1675, Enchant wrote:I think he (and others) probably caught in trap where possible elims are you or me.

We should yolowagon someone else as well. Why not.
Within the time frame that we have, I don't think we could get another wagon going, with everyone agreeing with it.
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Post Post #1759 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:22 am

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@misyress, not really here but that post was at bbt!
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Post Post #1760 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:22 am

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Are you callign Enchant scum Kop? :?: :? :wink:
Also, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.
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Post Post #1761 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:32 am

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In post 1739, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1729, Bellaphant wrote:You keep saying this and I keep posting reads while you don't. It's boring and annoying. I think my progression on reads is fairly transparent too - I moved from scum reading norwee to thinking they are most likely town, my tr of the hydra is slipping, etc: I'm not hiding things

We solve differently, I'm never as aggressive as you as town or scum.

I've talked about enchant and Jake a lot. Enchant hasn't really tried to engage in my scum read of them, although they have done to slots like gamma, which also strikes me as weird. It would be easy to say the dueling wagons mean one is deffo town and one is deffo scum, and from that 50/50 I'd pick enchant any day -i don't see what the hydra sees about their meta (enchant has had scum games where they are absent, but not all of them, and does this feel like deptuy cultists enchant to you??).

Do you have other scum reads? Your scum read of me feels weirdly 'safe', especially because you aren't basing it on much.
It's not about aggression but more about lots of words that don't say anything, you know?

What does weird mean? Does it tell you anything that Enchant has engaged with Gamma and not you? I agree, it is easy to say one of them must be scum but I don't know, it doesn't feel that way to me. Frog's push on hydra at start of D2 is my main reason for town reading that slot, I don't think Jake has done all that much since replacing in. Enchant is hard to read for me, but their engagement levels and push back on their wagon feels town.

Deputy Cultists was completely different because Enchant was conf town so I don't think that game applies to this game at all?

I'm struggling for scum reads in this game, I've said this before. When I'm struggling, I look at people who are kind of in the middle of the game, not making too much noise or too many hot takes. You fit that description, as does Penguin. Outside of that, I really don't know.
Can you give me some examples, and explain how it's scummy? It's just how I talk and I don't think this should be news to you. In terms of solving, noticing things like enchants push back to gamma but not other people is the start of a solving process - I don't have an answer, but you have to notice things that feel out of place

(@mistress, that's why I'm reacting to the scum read on me for the misread vote count - I think before I'd just town binned your slot for tone, and it's important not to miss things that 'hitch' that read - it does show a lack of detailed reading of the thread. It also mainly worries me because I'm still not sure why Auro scum reads me, and it does seem your read of me has changed since I questioned the scum read: certainly your approach has, but that might just be the replacement)

Back to @bbt - Enchant has said they think gamma is scum for not knowing their meta, but I don't think their meta massively supports them being town. You've said that about deputy cultists before and I'm not sure I follow, can you walk me through it?.

I agree about penguin,.I forgot they are in the game, but I also struggle to.remember anything nm has said.
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Post Post #1762 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:36 am

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@mistress, you popped straight up when bbt started talking about a wagon/ a scum read of me, but managed to not notice the post you responded quite attacky to and asked me if i.was 'denying that fact' wasn't even to you. Can you not see why I'd find that worrying?
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Post Post #1763 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:48 am

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In post 1743, Enchant wrote:This scumread is not genuine.
Whose scumread is not genuine?
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Post Post #1764 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:50 am

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Call this an useless gutread or whatever, but i don't really see Bellaphant being scum in this game.
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Post Post #1765 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:51 am

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I see Kop is at least posting content rn
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Post Post #1766 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:51 am

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In post 1758, Kop wrote:
In post 1583, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.
If you're believing that the chances of them both being town as high, why would you vote for one of them? Why aren't you putting the case forward for them being town, and actually voting for the person who YOU believe is to be scum, and put the case forward?

I know if I was in you're shoes, if I believed the chances of someone being town, I wouldn't be voting them to get them eliminated, even at this late stage of the day. I'd be trying to build cases on who I believed to be scum and trying to get them eliminated.
In post 1601, Enchant wrote:Who know. Maybe i just won game by collecting all mafia on my wagon.
I think the chances of all the scum team being on your wagon, is very very low, but not out of the question.
In post 1606, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1583, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Likelihood of both Enchant and Jake being town?

High.
I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:
Frustration can also be faked as scum.
In post 1614, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 1606, Not_Mafia wrote: I'd say quite low :evil: And Jake's lecturing is a lot easier to fake as scum than Enchant's frustration is :wink:
Disagree that both can't be town but agree that Jake seems more likely to be scum.

If Frog's attack on the hydra at start of D2 was from scum, I'm impressed.

VOTE: Jake

E-1 I think?
You said the chances were high for both being town, but now it's changed. What made you change your mind?
In post 1675, Enchant wrote:I think he (and others) probably caught in trap where possible elims are you or me.

We should yolowagon someone else as well. Why not.
Within the time frame that we have, I don't think we could get another wagon going, with everyone agreeing with it.
Assuming there's no extension (and I don't know how much good it would do at this point), gun to your head right now, out of the two big wagons, where would your vote go?
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Post Post #1767 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 9:58 am

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In post 1762, Bellaphant wrote:@mistress, you popped straight up when bbt started talking about a wagon/ a scum read of me, but managed to not notice the post you responded quite attacky to and asked me if i.was 'denying that fact' wasn't even to you. Can you not see why I'd find that worrying?
How do you not see that you shading me for not realizing that Enchant was at e-1 because I was incorrect about the vc and juxtaposing that with Auro’s read on you wouldn’t massively ping me? Those are two completely unrelated things.

See, Enchant is inclined to have those horrible kinds of takes but I’d expect much better from you.

I was pretty much neutral on you prior to that.

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Post Post #1768 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:01 am

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Nancy convince me why Enchant isn't scum.
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Post Post #1769 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:02 am

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Also does Auro agree with you on that?
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Post Post #1770 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:03 am

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Oh wait you literally said he does agree with you on Enchant, nvm my second question.
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Post Post #1771 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:08 am

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And I didn’t suddenly conveniently “pop in” either as you put. So this is more like the vc thing but the vc thing is arguably much worse.

I posted what I posted because Auro is mindmelding with BBT ob you but I also addressed Enchant’s post wrt to Gamma as well. But you do have a point in that. that post of yours re:the vc thing has made me extremely paranoid on you because it just majorly pinged me that you juxtaposed to entirely unrelated things just to shade me. Had you just stuck to whatever your issue was with Auro’s read on you, I would have had no problem with it.
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Post Post #1772 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:15 am

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In post 1770, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Oh wait you literally said he does agree with you on Enchant, nvm my second question.
I think Enchant has a lot of really bad takes given that he plays extremely scummy irrespective of alignment so shouldn’t be all that shocked and outraged for being extremely hard to read but yeah, he’s also said quite a few things that town ping me, like the “99% I’m wrong thing” questioning if Jake might also be town etc, And so far I’m liking Kop and that’s yet another thing that bodes well for my Enchant read as well because scum!Enchant usually either defends scummy players which usually turn out to be his buddies in many of the games I’ve played with scum!him.

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Post Post #1773 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:16 am

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Yeah, Auro’s come around to agreeing with me on town!Enchant.
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Post Post #1774 (ISO) » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:22 am

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In post 1517, Bellaphant wrote:Just slightly worried that Auro scum read me for a shit reason about vote counts and you missing the enchant wagon being so big. I'm slightly drink and a bit paranoid I guess: reassure me?
@Bella do you understand that it’s extremely hard not to read this like: I dislike Auro’s read on me and oh wait, Nancy misread the vc, so I point that out to subtly shade her?

Do you not understand why this would ping me?
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