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In post 1650, MathBlade wrote:Like professor FA and RR are my ride or die towns
TBone is probably town but I get paranoid

Everyone else I can sort with the block tomorrow.

In post 1730, T-Bone wrote:

In post 1706, Bunnyonce wrote:Talk to me then T-Bone? I'm here for 15 minutes and will also be back in a few hours.

-Aisa

It looks weird to me that we're talking about a possible DDS vote, one happens, and you jump in to redirect. It's probably coincidence but damn if that doesn't look intentional.

In post 1750, MMR wrote:

In post 1650, MathBlade wrote:Like professor FA and RR are my ride or die towns
TBone is probably town but I get paranoid

Everyone else I can sort with the block tomorrow.

Why do you get paranoid of T-Bone?
He feels genuinely like he's trying to solve the game.
It feels kind of inline with his play in LOST.
-Rubella

In post 1727, Scarfmanship wrote:Ydrasse, You say that I haven't done anything beyond that, but it worked. A wagon on me, while not the best outcome, does give fresh content to the game.

My nonanswer to your question is that I think furitive is town, and is like me but has more social capital. I think PPF votes me as either alignment because they have disliked me ever since i vaguely insulted them earlier. Dunno about the other two.

Also, there's another layer to calling for votes on DDS that (you plural)'re not seeing. Someone mentioned that DDS is a tertiary priority for people right now. I think mafia lives in tertiary priorities, and mafia lives in null reads, so if those reads are real, it's worth investigating. However, it's also worth investigating to see if the people repeating that DDS is null-scumlean are being genuine in their reads, or if they are parroting the consensus to sound town, so I wanted to see who was willing to commit to what they were saying. It also opens up the option to force potential mafia commit to a stance on a weak partner that they're not sure what to do with earlier than they want to. Or maybe we would have seen a lack of resistance which also would have been informative.

Because it is very easy to coast by shading the people everyone else is shading, complaining about mastina and mathblade, and get at minimum nullread for it.

In post 1728, Ydrasse wrote:-_-

UNVOTE:

In post 1752, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1750, MMR wrote:

In post 1650, MathBlade wrote:Like professor FA and RR are my ride or die towns
TBone is probably town but I get paranoid

Everyone else I can sort with the block tomorrow.

Why do you get paranoid of T-Bone?
He feels genuinely like he's trying to solve the game.
It feels kind of inline with his play in LOST.
-Rubella

Good question. It’s more a gut thing.

My brain agrees with you.

Like I am absolutely 100% scumreading Mastina and am very confident in the solve.

I just have a bit of “what if I am wrong feelings”. I don’t think I am wrong to be abundantly clear.

Like all my research and everything indicates such.

Dealing with work fires atm so slow to respond if anyone else asked me something I will try to get to it later or poke me.

In post 1753, MathBlade wrote:And regarding lost I barely could read that game

I’d read a post then reread it and each time it felt something different

I was in such a sick haze that game that I eventually replaced out but then kept up with it.

In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.

In post 1755, professotic wrote:Bunny does this sum up your readslist?
Mastina - PPF (Lock Towns)

In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.

Bunnyonce wrote:@prof, no? Here is my current list. Greeting is the expert on his opinion so he can tell you about his reads when he is online.

Townread

MathBlade
Yume
furtive

Townlean

STD/Ydrasse
Scarf
mastina

Everyone else is sort of a shrug. Yes, I know I said I had a mini gut read on DDS as town, I don't feel like it's based on enough evidence to move them officially into the townleans.

-Aisa

In post 1760, MathBlade wrote:It’s fine to remind me. I just don’t think I will be much help in using lost as an accurate meta source or agreeing with anything.

You could tell me someone posted 500 times and pigs flew and I’d be like yeah okay sure

Tbh her latest posts only reinforce the scumread so *shrug* she doesn’t feel very solvey at all.

In post 1607, mastina wrote:

In post 1602, MMR wrote:(By the way, is it NAI for him to do this?)

Oh certainly!

There's basically five MathBlade models.

1: MathBlade is scum, and tries to convince me he is town. This is the least-common of the five, which is ironic, because it's the most effective at deceiving me. But as scum, MathBlade genuinely doesn't think to do this most of the time. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
2: MathBlade is town, and tries to convince me he is town. When this happens, I tend to think it's the first model, which is ironic because the first model is something he almost never does. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
3: MathBlade is town, and is convinced I am scum. He becomes irrationally certain of it and will not budge.
4: MathBlade is scum, and panics at my suspicion on him.
5: MathBlade is scum, and pretends to be the third model--he knows how irrational his town self is, so he plays into the bit, exaggerating it slightly and embracing the push.
(4 and 5 tend to go hand-in-hand, but are not fully one and the same.)

Objectively I realize the third has a quite high likelihood of being true.
But like--by gut, I feel like the fifth is the actual truth because it

feels

like MathBlade is exaggerating.

Yes, I know that anything "MathBlade surely couldn't think this as town", actually MathBlade can.
But it's like--it's not so much that MathBlade can't think those things, so much as it is, I feel like a town MathBlade wouldn't.
That there's a chance he did, but everything he does is just that: a chance of being MathBlade-town, but feeling statistically unlikely.

The statistical unlikelies pile up.

Say something was 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 35% from MB town.
A different thing is 45% from MB town.

Those begin to add up and create a world where in order for MB to be town, you have to believe that MathBlade did them

all

as town, rather than just one or two.

And those things are quite numerous. MathBlade's posts feel like he's aware of his meta's worse aspects and deliberately exaggerating them for the towncred and to get away with being anti-town. That he's aware he could do all the things he is doing as town, so is doing them, even though if he were town he wouldn't actually be doing them.

That's what he feels like.

In post 1764, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1607, mastina wrote:

In post 1602, MMR wrote:(By the way, is it NAI for him to do this?)

Oh certainly!

There's basically five MathBlade models.

1: MathBlade is scum, and tries to convince me he is town. This is the least-common of the five, which is ironic, because it's the most effective at deceiving me. But as scum, MathBlade genuinely doesn't think to do this most of the time. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
2: MathBlade is town, and tries to convince me he is town. When this happens, I tend to think it's the first model, which is ironic because the first model is something he almost never does. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
3: MathBlade is town, and is convinced I am scum. He becomes irrationally certain of it and will not budge.
4: MathBlade is scum, and panics at my suspicion on him.
5: MathBlade is scum, and pretends to be the third model--he knows how irrational his town self is, so he plays into the bit, exaggerating it slightly and embracing the push.
(4 and 5 tend to go hand-in-hand, but are not fully one and the same.)

Objectively I realize the third has a quite high likelihood of being true.
But like--by gut, I feel like the fifth is the actual truth because it

feels

like MathBlade is exaggerating.

Yes, I know that anything "MathBlade surely couldn't think this as town", actually MathBlade can.
But it's like--it's not so much that MathBlade can't think those things, so much as it is, I feel like a town MathBlade wouldn't.
That there's a chance he did, but everything he does is just that: a chance of being MathBlade-town, but feeling statistically unlikely.

The statistical unlikelies pile up.

Say something was 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 35% from MB town.
A different thing is 45% from MB town.

Those begin to add up and create a world where in order for MB to be town, you have to believe that MathBlade did them

all

as town, rather than just one or two.

And those things are quite numerous. MathBlade's posts feel like he's aware of his meta's worse aspects and deliberately exaggerating them for the towncred and to get away with being anti-town. That he's aware he could do all the things he is doing as town, so is doing them, even though if he were town he wouldn't actually be doing them.

That's what he feels like.

Please explain how a read wall of statistics about me is moving away from me?

In post 1761, Bunnyonce wrote:

In post 1755, professotic wrote:Bunny does this sum up your readslist?
Mastina - PPF (Lock Towns)

I'd like to know why you thought this was a worthwhile post.

In post 1756, professotic wrote:Wolves hard defending each other.

Assuming this is directed at us, how exactly does your theory fit into my latest unvote?

-Aisa

In post 1767, MMR wrote:

In post 1764, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1607, mastina wrote:

In post 1602, MMR wrote:(By the way, is it NAI for him to do this?)

Oh certainly!

There's basically five MathBlade models.

1: MathBlade is scum, and tries to convince me he is town. This is the least-common of the five, which is ironic, because it's the most effective at deceiving me. But as scum, MathBlade genuinely doesn't think to do this most of the time. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
2: MathBlade is town, and tries to convince me he is town. When this happens, I tend to think it's the first model, which is ironic because the first model is something he almost never does. Mostly trivia tho because we're not in this world.
3: MathBlade is town, and is convinced I am scum. He becomes irrationally certain of it and will not budge.
4: MathBlade is scum, and panics at my suspicion on him.
5: MathBlade is scum, and pretends to be the third model--he knows how irrational his town self is, so he plays into the bit, exaggerating it slightly and embracing the push.
(4 and 5 tend to go hand-in-hand, but are not fully one and the same.)

Objectively I realize the third has a quite high likelihood of being true.
But like--by gut, I feel like the fifth is the actual truth because it

feels

like MathBlade is exaggerating.

Yes, I know that anything "MathBlade surely couldn't think this as town", actually MathBlade can.
But it's like--it's not so much that MathBlade can't think those things, so much as it is, I feel like a town MathBlade wouldn't.
That there's a chance he did, but everything he does is just that: a chance of being MathBlade-town, but feeling statistically unlikely.

The statistical unlikelies pile up.

Say something was 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 40% from MB town.
A different thing is 35% from MB town.
A different thing is 45% from MB town.

Those begin to add up and create a world where in order for MB to be town, you have to believe that MathBlade did them

all

as town, rather than just one or two.

And those things are quite numerous. MathBlade's posts feel like he's aware of his meta's worse aspects and deliberately exaggerating them for the towncred and to get away with being anti-town. That he's aware he could do all the things he is doing as town, so is doing them, even though if he were town he wouldn't actually be doing them.

That's what he feels like.

Please explain how a read wall of statistics about me is moving away from me?

I missed this post in my skim-through.
Though, I think that it was because she was responding to me or I feel like she might've moved away from you, completely.
I might move her down in my reads a bit but I feel like most of her other posts had been not about you.
So, it's still an attempt and I think that she has potential to fully move away, even if she hasn't rn.
-Rubella

In post 1762, MMR wrote:

Bunnyonce wrote:@prof, no? Here is my current list. Greeting is the expert on his opinion so he can tell you about his reads when he is online.

Townread

MathBlade
Yume
furtive

Townlean

STD/Ydrasse
Scarf
mastina

Everyone else is sort of a shrug. Yes, I know I said I had a mini gut read on DDS as town, I don't feel like it's based on enough evidence to move them officially into the townleans.

-Aisa

Wait.
Is most of the others null, then?
Or am I missing your SRs?
-Rubella