The Sopranos: A Deadly Game (GAME OVER!)

[Locke Lamora]

Incidentally, SSF, given that you haven't been lynched yet, what's stopping you from reaching the obvious conclusion that Farside, Kai and Al are scum?

[farside22]

I've stopped giving Al grief because I'm so utterly convinced he's scum I don't really need to make any more of a case on him. Everything from now is just icing on the cake.

SSF gets until tomorrow to give me a plausible explanation for how 5 lynch-immune town players is balanced and to choose which of those two possible teams is scum and why. Then it's hammertime. Incidentally, he's bussing KoC.

You could be right but I'm basing it on what Al said for his reason's for protecting Kai. Could be WIFOM thrown from scum.

[al_kohaulec]

Unvote

I'm going to reread on all the players right now before ending day too early. Locke's job assignments looks good, as it places everybody with one of the three players whose profit we'll know.

[Kairyuu]

Hmm. Either al has no lynch immunity, or he's not scum. Any other situation would have the game called as unwinnable for town. Think about it:

7 alive, 3 scum (1 has lynch immunity)

lynch scum
town dies

5 alive, 2 scum (1 has lynch immunity)

lynch scum
town dies

3 alive, 1 lynch immune scum (1-shot)

lynch scum (fails)
town dies

2 alive, 1 scum (scum win)


Therefore, either SSF or farside were the original lynch immune scum. That leave it (in my perspective) as this for a scumteam:

SSF/farside, raj, KoC

unvote

I can't believe I didn't notice this sooner. I'm fine with either a raj lynch or a KoC lynch. Either one is on conf-scum from my perspective. Since it was SSF's mention of the fact that scum should have already won that keyed me in to exactly why that is, I'm actually more inclined towards a farside lynch over SSF, but I'd much rather deal with raj and KoC first.

Oh, and for the rest of you, I believe this to be the way the scumteam looks from people who aren't me:

SSF/farside, 2 of (raj, KoC, Kai)

[farside22]

Hmm. Either al has no lynch immunity, or he's not scum. Any other situation would have the game called as unwinnable for town. Think about it:

7 alive, 3 scum (1 has lynch immunity)

lynch scum
town dies

5 alive, 2 scum (1 has lynch immunity)

lynch scum
town dies

3 alive, 1 lynch immune scum (1-shot)

lynch scum (fails)
town dies

2 alive, 1 scum (scum win)

either you believe Al is the doctor or I'm the hider or both and that could explain why the game isn't over.
The so called doc (sorry I'm not biting his reasoning) protects the right person or the mafia target me I go hiding and there is one less town death.
Your crunching the numbers like you don't believe either myself or Al and since Al is not on your scum list (cough I wonder why) then your numbers neglect the so called doctor claim.

[Locke Lamora]

I've already thought about this in some detail, Kai. If Farside is town and can block a NK, that already gives the possibility for town to win with Al's lynch-immunity. Even if town can't win, it doesn't necessarily mean town can't draw. Scum can't NK me, so if we lynch the other two scum correctly before Al, the best scum can do is kill whoever's left with me and we get a draw. I assume scum's win condition includes something along the lines of 'nothing can prevent the same'. If they can't kill me and there's only one of them left, they can't win.

[SSF352]

Locke: Your big mistake is assuming the three scum could pile on before the mistaken townie would unvote. Whereas with KoC, there would be no problem. Three quick votes on him would end the day and take us to endgame with three scum, and they could plan for it. Also, I dont get where you are getting that my logic is that the three scum would pile on a townie misvote, that was Kairyuu's theory about voting me.

With the lynch immune players, first, lynch immunity most likely passes when a capo dies. Therefore, even if all five original capos are town, scum can gain the ability. In fact, we've discussed how Al likely has it now. Also, lynch immunity has a downside for the town, they lose a lynch, and the mafia gets another kill attempt. Finally, we really have no idea what abilites the mafia has, so we can't determine anything about how balanced it would be. So, I'm not assuming anything about whether a lynch immune player must be scum aside from Al.

KoC: I voted you because I had specifically addressed you twice about your vote, and you posted afterward ignoring it. I took it you weren't going to answer my question. Your comment about not being sure if DGB or Kise used up the lynch immunity is lame. Kise was modkilled, so he definately didnt use it up, and it literally would only take a few seconds to check the first post to see if DGB had been lynched, and she wasnt.

Concerning my "terrible logic", do you have anything beyond that to say about it? In case its not clear enough, if there are three scum, they could have arranged to quicklynch you at a given time and ended the game if you are town. I would think the scum wouldn't be so incompetent as to not win the game when they had the chance. I think its unlikely that we have two or less scum left. As the scum have not chosen to lynch you, I think its likely you could be scum. Add in voting for the player we have discussed not lynching quite a bit because it's likely it would work against the town's interests and your lack of a capo and I think you as scum makes a lot of sense.

So, there's my reasoning. If you think it is terrible, tell me where I'm making a mistake.

Farside- Al didn't claim doctor, he claimed to be an enforcer. Doesn't change much, but want to make sure you're clear on that.

[Locke Lamora]

Right, so you think me assuming that there's one lynch-immune scum is pointless because we don't know all the mechanics but you're willing to include 'lack of capo' as a point against KoC. Also, you didn't answer me about the glaringly obvious Farside-Al-Kai scumteam that makes perfect sense from the SSF-town perspective. I think you'll see that you were at L-1 and KoC did NOT hammer. Funny if he's scum and you're town. Completely blows your logic out of the water.

[Locke Lamora]

Actually, I really don't know why I'm not doing this.

Vote: SSF

Aside from the many other reasons, I simply wouldn't be able to forgive myself if you were scum and we didn't lynch you.

[SSF352]

Locke: I didn't say it was pointless. I said I wasn't taking it as an assumption because we don't know enough to make it. I thought I addressed the Farside-Al-Kai scumteam idea when I pointed out that I'm not taking the three scum pile on a townie mistake theory as gospel. I'm not saying they couldn't be scum, but I can't imagine them being scum and not just lynching KoC for the win.

In addition, from the rules of the game, it says "Each player knows which character (not the character) is the captain of their crew." Then how does a player not have a captain? Also, KoC avoided talking about his capo until bothered about it repeatedly. If everyone else in the game had a capo and I didnt, and I was asked about my capo, I think I'd bring it up if I never had one. If KoC wasnt at the bottom, and claimed to have no money and not be on the money listings, would you be willing to consider that as possible as well?

I don't get why KoC didn't finish my lynch, beyond possibly he really isn't reading the game much and didn't notice I was L-1.

Locke, do you have any reasoning as to why any three member scum team wouldnt lynch KoC from the beginning if he were not one of them?

[Locke Lamora]

First of all, I'm saying that SSF-town should look at the three people who put him at L-1. Then he should think about the fact that he hasn't been lynched. There are thus two logical conclusions for town-SSF:

1. Raj or KoC is a scum idiot who is paying no attention in LyLo and did not realise the win was there for the taking.
2. Farside, Al and Kai are scum.

You appear to be going with 1, which does not fit in with your logic about KoC getting lynched if he was town.

I agree that KoC not having a capo is odd. What I don't see is how it makes him scum. He didn't bring it up because he never had one - it's not like everyone had claimed, as we only just dragged Raj's capo out of him recently. Do you think KoC does have a capo but claiming it will implicate him as scum?

As for your question about scum lynching KoC, I think if scum can't daytalk, it's difficult for them to be sure they can orchestrate the quicklynch from an L-3 situation. The only time any lynch has genuinely been attempted past one vote is on you. Difficulty in orchestrating a quicklynch is not a factor in an L-1 situation. You can't say that KoC's likely scum because otherwise he would have been lynched on one hand, then come back and say KoC didn't hammer you because he wasn't paying attention. On those grounds, maybe no-one's paying attention. Maybe the scum don't even care. Or maybe, just maybe, the reason you didn't get lynched is because you're scum.

[farside22]

Farside- Al didn't claim doctor, he claimed to be an enforcer. Doesn't change much, but want to make sure you're clear on that.

He is a protective role from what I read just those few pages. Is that wrong?

[Locke Lamora]

Al claims he might kill scum if they target the player he protects, or he might die himself. I think it's 50-50.

I'm going to make this even clearer for everyone, particularly SSF.

SSF was at L-1 from 6:49AM to 4:59PM yesterday (GMT). That's just over 10 hours. Myself, Raj and KoC all had the opportunity to hammer. Both myself and KoC posted in this time. Al put SSF at L-1 a couple of hours after Raj's last post. Personally, I think SSF is blindly going after KoC and completely ignoring what the game's showing him which is that if anyone's scum who missed the chance to hammer him, it's Raj. Still, that's just me. Make your own conclusions.

[Kairyuu]

@Locke: If you believe there to be exactly one lynch immune scum, then how can al be scum in your book, when you also say that one of SSF and farside are scum, even after both of them have demonstrated their unlynchability by not dying when lynched. If SSF or farside is scum then I'm pretty sure that al isn't.

However, looking at the setup, farside is pretty much conf-town. Thing is, so is al by the same token (extremely power-light game lends credibility to power claims). I'm going to say right now that it's SSF, raj, and KoC as the scumteam, and the reason that KoC didn't hammer is because he's SSF's scumbuddy.

vote: SSF

Pretty confident in my scumteam theory.

[farside22]

Kai: I think the theory is mostly because Al didn't start the game with the lynch immunity.

[rajrhcpfreak]

vote: SFF

ive said since the beginning that there is too many lynch immune people in this game and it was suspicious.
it took me a while to decide between farside and SFF. but in the end the biggest thing against farside was zwet.

and im confident that alko is one of his scum buddies. blatant busing earlier.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I didn't hammer because I wasn't aware SSF was at L-1. I am aware he is now, and I will happily hammer his scummy guts.

Vote: SSF

[SSF352]

Actually, KoC, I was lynched with Raj's vote. Don't worry though, you've won.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So, you are scum. Excellent.

[Locke Lamora]

Well, this is fun.

Kai: what Farside said. Al's lynch-immunity has passed from what was originally DGB's slot (making that assumption because his crew is called the Aprile Crew). As such, I don't think it's relevant to the game balance if Al is scum.

[Locke Lamora]

I'm not going to have home internet access in the next three weeks so my posting will be pretty infrequent and will depend on when I can get to an internet cafe. As we're either going to night or endgame now, I won't replace out here but I just wanted to warn everyone that if we do get to D10, I won't be quite so active until the weekend of the 24th. If scum have won with that lynch, then there's no need to pay attention to this anyway.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This twilight is almost as long as those films felt when I was harangued into taking the girlfriend to see them...

[Dr. Melfi]

Sorry, been busy lately, I have an exam today, but I'll try to get things posted tonight or tomorrow.

[Dr. Melfi]

Carlo Gervasi was a man of few words, but he earned his rank in the organization by putting those few words to good use. However, his quietness caused people to doubt his contribution to the cause, and they moved to kill him after much discussion amongst themselves. Fortunately for them, they were right. After his violent response to jokes about his sexuality put him in Tony Soprano's bad graces, Carlo had had enough. He had decided to help take over the DiMeo family, but a few wrong words had cut his bid short.

SSF352, Carlo Gervasi, Mafia, Lynched Day 9

Note: Job descriptions will be added when they are written, sorry for the delay. I have posted partial information below, feel free to wait until they are posted before sending in your choice.

Job #1 -

Payment: $32,000
Description: Looks like our old friend Gio Opedisano is down on smuggling charges. Just so happens he will be appearing before the Honorable Judge Valermo this Thursday. Please gently remind her how much we enjoy financing her election to the bench every four years.

Job #2 -

Payment: $40,000
Description: Mick Carcetti – that local corner store owner – isn't taking the hint. What did you all threaten him with, your ugly mugs? When we deal with those who fail to see the light, we kindly escort them to the light at the end of the tunnel. Do it tonight.

Job #3 -

Payment: $35,000
Description: So I hear that Vinnie McAllister has been complaining about having family problems and asking us to defer his payment this month. I can sympathize – so let's just make sure he has family problems. Take a crowbar to Junior's kneecaps. I don't think he has use for them any longer.

Vote Count #27:

SSF352 - 5 (farside22, Locke Lamora, Kairyuu, rajrhcpfreak, Knight of Cydonia)

Knight of Cydonia - 1 (SSF352)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. With 5 votes, a lynch has been reached. It is now Night 9. You have until 8:00 PM CST on Sunday, April 11th to send in your night choices.

[Dr. Melfi]

Jobs have been updated. Sorry for the delay.