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Post Post #1775 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:57 am

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scum Llama wrote:Funny I was going to say something similar. I gambited, you bit and pulled the block off me, probably used MoI to find out there was no amnesic, and are now right back to blocking me with the hope of not going down WITH MoI today.

Please your "I voted MoI" arguement too. After that hammer, he really had no real chance of making it too far in the game, you probably knew that, and im guessing he told at least one of you to bus him hard to get extra town points. That also explains how you "knew" that Saint was going to flip SK instead of mafia.
Anyone who reads the link will see how you protect your scum buddy and cover for them. You keep flailing there it's so cute to me.
Scum Llama wrote:My VT claim very likely did save me from being killed, and it did allow me another investigation result, that a point for me. The last part has a bit too many pronouns for me to be sure what you are talking about, but if you are now going off on my N4 attempt - Im not going to investigate backstage because the only way that my odds are better of hitting scum is if you and LL are scum together. Otherwise there are probably three scum left, and knowing LMP was already town, and a town read on GG, LL and OGML, it gives me the backstage scum, and a pool of just WC off the wagon, which is going to be useful in making sure of a OGML read (and possibly LL), since town-WC means that one of them is scum.
Blah, blah, blah. You were the one who just claimed to have a scum read on me with BS people based on POE so why did you not investigate me that night?????????
Also if your not looking at the night kills lately tells me all I need to know. Did you notice a pattern for the kills Llama? Did you notice who the scum targetted? Why would scum target the VI's during the first few nights?
If you say you don't know I know your lying.
SCUM LLAMA wrote:Soldifiy - To become solid. I had somewhat of a town read on SGR after the flip from Apoc, but it was one of those that I really wanted to be sure on, so yes I used up an investigation there. There were points where I went back and forth on SGR, but I figured it was time to ice the slight town read on him and move on. You dont investigate people you have a solid read on, you investigate people that you have no read on, or people whos alignment is going to be pretty important for your next few moves.
Investigating someone for a solid read again this doesn't explain why you didn't investigate anyone back stage to SOLDIY YOU SO CALLED READ ON ANY OF US THREE THEN!


Dear town people,

Please look at how inconsistent Llama is. First he says he picked people to Solidify his read, but doesn't explain why he didn't investigate any of the 3 people backstage to solidify any of those reads.
Then instead of "investigating" someone he finds scummy to, you know, look for scum instead he doesn't and has not given a reason for why he find me scum. All he has is POE. He hasn't even explained his "town reads"

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Post Post #1776 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:16 am

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”Will you call me goddess? Will you pray to me? Will you worship me with your body?”


Resurrection Vote Count
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Vezokpiraka (5) – Llamafluff, LynchMePls, farside22, Apokalyptika, A Gaggle of Geese
Fate (2) – MagnaofIllusion, OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (2):
WrathChild, Locke Lamora

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5 Votes Required


MagnaofIllusion (7) – A Gaggle of Geese, LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, WrathChild, Llamafluff, farside22, OhGodMyLife
Apokalyptika (1) – MagnaofIllusion

Not Voting (1):
Locke Lamora

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Lynch Vote Count
5 Votes Required


Farside22 (3) – LynchMePls, OhGodMyLife, Llamafluff
A Gaggle of Geese (1) – MagnaofIllusion
Llamafluff (1) – farside22

Not Voting (4):
A Gaggle of Geese, WrathChild, Locke Lamora, Apokalyptika
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Backstage Vote Count:
Top Four Players Go Backstage


Apokalyptika (6) – LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, WrathChild, Llamafluff, farside22, OhGodMyLife
A Gaggle of Geese (4) – LynchMePls, WrathChild, farside22, Apokalyptika
LynchMePls (3) – LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, Llamafluff
OhGodMyLife (2) – Llamafluff, OhGodMyLife
WrathChild (1) – MagnaofIllusion
Farside22 (1) – farside22
Llamafluff (1) – OhGodMyLife

Not Voting (9):
A Gaggle of Geese x3, WrathChild x1, Locke Lamora x3, Apokalyptika x2

Day 5 ends on May 9 at 12:00 PM EST
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Post Post #1777 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:26 am

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farside's arguments are unpersuasive. They all boil down to "why would you do that, you MUST BE LYING". I don't buy it.

My biggest hesitation is: Who thinks town would get Tracker, Watcher AND Gunsmith along with the two revive mechanics? Seem pretty freaking strong.
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Post Post #1778 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:28 am

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hey lmp what do you think of this? http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17272

bit annoyed i'm even taking something outside the game into account but it makes me lean farside town :?
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Post Post #1779 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:29 am

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(read the couple of things farside says in that thread, i've gotten permission from the mod to link to it)
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Post Post #1780 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:39 am

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Yes, Farside is clearly Town. Don't vote him.

And why aren't you stupid people resurrecting Fate? Vezok is SO BAD IT HURTS? You will not win with him around.

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- way to continue to use the WIFOM to our advantage. We have this. Only Farside is even consideringthat this is LYLO. Thanks god for my Bomb role :D
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Post Post #1781 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:52 am

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Before I leave for the day I also want to point out that I had a plan for Seacore to prove he was telling the truth but Llama poo'ed it here
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Change of plans farside. I have been mulling this over, there are two scenarios here. Scenario A, very good. Scenario B, either bad or catasrophic. Problem is it can be hard to tell the two apart without someone getting lynched or claiming (although that opens a new can of worms). I will explain all backstage (yes lol backstage again) but it needs to stay private through today. Tonight I will claim BS right out the gate, and someone will be able to claim in public tomorrow.
His reason's BS was it wasn't him doing the checking so why Llama did you not want to verfiy Seacore?
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Post Post #1782 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:37 am

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A Gaggle of Geese wrote:hide more WC

HIDE HIDE HIDE
WrathChild wrote:I just want to add that I'm primarily a 9-5 PST poster on the weekdays and mostly offline on the weekends.
Reading is tech. I am not an amnesic cop.
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Post Post #1783 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:42 am

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A Gaggle of Geese wrote:Gunsmith in a book where no one actually uses guns do they? Oh some do, but since scum were randomised and given MOI's character, eh. This looks like a way to save WC from the lynch as he doesn't have enough credibillity to pull off the cop gambit.
Why are you convinced I was on the chopping block? I don't get your reasoning.

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Now with that aside, I haven't bought llama's breadcrumbs this entire game. Read my ISO, the BS people from last night can attest that I do not trust llama as far as I can throw a boulder, but thought at least he was worth a shot to confirm himself.

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Post Post #1784 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:47 am

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chesskid3 wrote:revive vezo
vezo tracks LLAMA

AND HE DAMN WELL BETTER GO SOMEWHERERERER
Vezo won't be able to track Llama until Night 7.
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Post Post #1785 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:11 am

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1. A Gaggle of Geese (Faraday / chesskid3 hydra)-Town (not confirmed but for now the closest thing we've got besides Apok)
4. LynchMePls - ???
5. MagnaofIllusion - Scum
6. OhGodMyLife - ???
13. Llamafluff - ???
16. WrathChild - Town (My info, not yours)
17. farside22 - ???
18. Locke Lamora - ???
11. Apokalyptika - Town

Now MoI is Sacrificed for sure, leaving me with:

4. LynchMePls - ???
6. OhGodMyLife - ???
13. Llamafluff - ???
17. farside22 - ???
18. Locke Lamora - ???

If we believe Llama:

6. OhGodMyLife - ???
17. farside22 - ???
18. Locke Lamora - ???

We have probably at least three scum left... interesting.

If we don't trust Llama, I am back to:

4. LynchMePls - ???
6. OhGodMyLife - ???
13. Llamafluff - ???
17. farside22 - ???
18. Locke Lamora - ???

I have reason to believe that there were no scum backstage last night, or that the scum think I'm a non-threat/easy-lynch, so I'm going to take off LMP from that list.

That leaves me with a call for ISO on OGML, Llama, Farside and LL. I'll work on those today.
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Post Post #1786 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:23 am

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A Gaggle of Geese wrote:hey lmp what do you think of this? http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17272

bit annoyed i'm even taking something outside the game into account but it makes me lean farside town :?
WTF does this have to do with anything?
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Post Post #1787 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:33 am

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Some thoughts:

Remember we are getting rid of one scum today already. If in the worst case we lynch a townie, then a townie gets NK'd, but in the morning a townie comes back. So, worst case is a 1 scum/1 town swap, which is still in town's favor.

Rereading farside, as well as some backstage stuff, my scum read is reinforced. That being said, I would like to see Llama's answer to farside's latest question. Also super impatient for Locke to come back.
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Post Post #1788 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:41 am

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LynchMePls wrote:
A Gaggle of Geese wrote:hey lmp what do you think of this? http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=17272

bit annoyed i'm even taking something outside the game into account but it makes me lean farside town :?
WTF does this have to do with anything?
interaction with MOI seems less likely to come from a scumbuddy also seems genuinely pissed off at us, which is more likely to come from town.

gunsmith + watcher + tracker = very powerful. i didn't believe moi's claim, don't think i believe this one either.
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Post Post #1789 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:36 am

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As I see it, town basically has to decide do we believe LF or not. If we believe LF, we lynch farside. If we don't believe LF, we (not sure here). Right now I'm leaning pretty greatly towards believe LF, but I'm open to persuasion. I agree that the town sure seems to have a lot of power, ESPECIALLY with the whole resurrection mechanic.
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Post Post #1790 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:08 am

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I love how easily everyone is buying the whole "Seems overpowered for Town" lines hook-line and sinker.

Aside from my teammates you guys have NO FUCKING IDEA what is about to hit you.

Mwhwhahahahaha

I especially look foward to the reaction when your 'sacrifice' blows up in your face. Literally

It will be priceless the wailing and crying that is to come.
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Post Post #1791 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:02 am

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Llama wrote:My VT claim very likely did save me from being killed, and it did allow me another investigation result, that a point for me. The last part has a bit too many pronouns for me to be sure what you are talking about, but if you are now going off on my N4 attempt - Im not going to investigate backstage because the only way that my odds are better of hitting scum is if you and LL are scum together. Otherwise there are probably three scum left, and knowing LMP was already town, and a town read on GG, LL and OGML, it gives me the backstage scum, and a pool of just WC off the wagon, which is going to be useful in making sure of a OGML read (and possibly LL), since town-WC means that one of them is scum.
Blah, blah, blah. You were the one who just claimed to have a scum read on me with BS people based on POE so why did you not investigate me that night?????????
Also if your not looking at the night kills lately tells me all I need to know. Did you notice a pattern for the kills Llama? Did you notice who the scum targetted? Why would scum target the VI's during the first few nights?
If you say you don't know I know your lying.
I needed to be blocked or not in order to actually know if my "scum backstage" theory was correct. In the event that I was not blocked, I already said that I wanted the alignment of someone like LMP over the ones backstage, since the people backstage were already limited to just three people, with varying degrees of town/scum reads. I would rather just have received the information of "some of three" and not know, while learning the alignment of someone who was lurking, and could easily come up a lylo lynch that could sink or save us knowing what he is. You cant tell me that if I didnt check LMP that he would have been a threat of being lynching in the future.

Also scum killed VIs... your point being? My best guess is that they could kill a town leader PR and dont want to deal with that resurection, like if I got killed by Saint instead of Ythill, thats a very dangerous role coming back since it has info AND it is confirmed town AND a scumhunting threat.
Llama wrote:Soldifiy - To become solid. I had somewhat of a town read on SGR after the flip from Apoc, but it was one of those that I really wanted to be sure on, so yes I used up an investigation there. There were points where I went back and forth on SGR, but I figured it was time to ice the slight town read on him and move on. You dont investigate people you have a solid read on, you investigate people that you have no read on, or people whos alignment is going to be pretty important for your next few moves.
Investigating someone for a solid read again this doesn't explain why you didn't investigate anyone back stage to SOLDIY YOU SO CALLED READ ON ANY OF US THREE THEN!
See previous statement. You entire case is degrading to "you picked the wrong people by my standards". These are my standards though, and I would rather pick up the people that we dont have strong reads on. It nets far more information as lynches still progress naturally as no high picks are being taken off the table to further other reads of who is scum with lynches. What is going to get more information? Me clearing someone who is neutral to most people or me confirming everyones high pick is actually scum?
Please look at how inconsistent Llama is. First he says he picked people to Solidify his read, but doesn't explain why he didn't investigate any of the 3 people backstage to solidify any of those reads.
Solidify TOWN read, not scum read. I dont believe that gunsmith should scumhunt until late in the game when town has an obvious upperhand. Until then they take care of the middle read players, clearing and catching them as they move along.
Then instead of "investigating" someone he finds scummy to, you know, look for scum instead he doesn't and has not given a reason for why he find me scum. All he has is POE. He hasn't even explained his "town reads"
Thats not how you play cop, yadda yadda yadda. yes what I do have is PoE. GG is town, LL reads town, that leaves you at this point as scum. I can try and get stuff up over the next few days, but I have finals starting this Friday, so most of what I am posting just comes between classes or during some sort of break from final projects. Also its not really my job to explain my town reads unless they are getting lynched, if you think im wrong about one of the reads, its your job to prove it

For balance - Im not sure how it all works.

Scum obviously have a roleblocker, and with the three investigative roles in this game, I would expect some combination of GF/Framer/rolecop just a couple roles to directly counter the tirad of weak investigators. Especially as there appears to be no doctor in the game. Also im pretty sure MoI is going to flip exactly what he claimed as I already said, that is the only explaination I can come up with as to why scum blocked me again, they figured out that I wasnt getting results from another so assumed I was an active role. Four roles isnt really unbalanced in this large of a game with no protector.
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Post Post #1792 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:22 am

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Apologies all, busy Easter weekend, will get to this in detail tomorrow.
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Post Post #1793 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:23 am

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RE: OGML, Re-Read
I saw only one post with any substance over the last two days. OGML seems substantially scummy to me, it appears that he is putting no effort into this game and just cruising.
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Post Post #1794 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:39 am

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RE: Llama Re-Read
Here's what really bothers me about Llama. Day 1 Llama basically claimed an innocent on Agar, but Apok and Fate were killed Night 2. Fate I could see, but Apok's kill was a mystery. Why would Apok get killed and not Llama? The only reason I could imagine is that he would be a potential Doc target and WIFOM. I can see a block instead of a kill on Lllama subsequent nights, but not night 2.
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Post Post #1795 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:59 am

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RE: Farside Re-Read
I really don't like the Farside lynch. I would go as far as to say it would be a very bad idea to lynch him. He has proven to be a passionate scum-hunter and I get a lot of sincerity out of his posts. Llama's case against farside is based on the assumption that his plans were foiled by someone backstage, but ignores any other possibilities.
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Post Post #1796 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:01 pm

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hey so llama's an investigative role.

MOI claims some sort of weirdo role that can help town should they disbbelieve an investigation role. why isn't he fucking pushing him to absolute death. i'm serious, he should have rode him so fucking hard that magna was being called shergar by the end of the game.
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Post Post #1797 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:02 pm

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llama's favour - he was roleblocked last night, either scum no blocked in order to set-up llama's fake claim (which is very possible) or chose him over apok.

oh and what sort of role do you believe MOI has llama or the scum have that found you out?
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Post Post #1798 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:03 pm

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never mind i just skimmed your posts, you answered that.
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Post Post #1799 (ISO) » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:04 pm

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RE: LL Re-Read
LL's productivity has dropped way off. The posts I do seem to come across town, but I don't like how often he gives us the BBS (Be-Back-Soon). Locke is a tough read for me.
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