I think he's scum but at this point, even if he's not at least we have
1)His claim
2)His final reads
3)And the best vca analysis we're going to get
The worst case scenario is we lose a miller that would have to be lynched at some point anyway.
1. Yes, because that's impossible to get.
2. ...oookay, how thoughtful of me to provide reads, if I'd known providing jack-all would make me less lynchable I would have done that. Oh gawds, the newb is so strong here.
3. ...and, hey, look, off my VCA is scummy Garruk...who is a wagon option, so...y'know...
This is really just an 'in comparison to the other lynch possibilities on the table thing' but to issue 3; and if Garruk flips town? There is
nothing
to analyze because it's all deadline votes. We don't have his claim and there's not enough to go on with 3 hours left of lynch opportunity so for all we know, he could be an
actual
town PR as opposed to a negative utility
miller
.
Same goes for ooba.
In post 1764, Thor665 wrote:
That's not what you actually do with Millers - you're just supposed to scumhunt them normally, not policy lynch them because you're unable to find scum without a cop holding your hand (or are Benmage - who may have that problem, what do I know?)
This isn't a normal instance, though. We've been over this but miller doesn't mean town and if I'm just to 'scumhunt you normally', I've already listed the things you've done up to now that have made me think of you as scum.
In post 1738, Thor665 wrote:@Tammy - the continued grinding on the SD nugget at this stage isn't helping things. Yes, I think we all agree on a conceptual level that people who aren't playing the game kind of need to replace out or get killed.
That said, repeating it ad nauseum and getting into fights with the dude as he defends his poor play is hardly that much higher on the amazing pro-town scale, amirite?
Demand him to be vigged and move on, or wait until he does something that can be called scummy and try to get a dog pile going. Everything else just won't be helpful right now.
I (sadly) kinda buy his play as coming from a town (if not pro-town) mindset, but that still means we shouldn't lynch him and also that you have to not debate that what he's done is bad, but show how it is actually scummy to advance anything here.
And it's not going to happen even then for the rest of Day 1, pretty much assured.
@Alfred - moreso than anyone else, I'd like to get your take on what Tierce did as regards pushing my lynch last page and how she did it via the logic she presented.
It's not necessarily that, and I'm not fighting with Alfred. It would be one thing if it was okay this derpy guy is probably infuriating town and he's not going to play but were not going to lynch him anyway so let's find someone we believe is scum. Because hey that I'd back any day. Lynching scum over likely town no matter how annoying is preferable any day.
My problem is it's okay let's argue that this guy who isn't playing needs to be saved but let's policy lynch the guy who claimed miller because of stupid reason x,y,z.
If you get lynched and flip scum ill dance a jig, and eat a little crow, but I'll still maintain the setup reasons were complete bs.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:17 am
by Eddard Stark
Under 3 hours until deadline.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:20 am
by Benmage
Blame the government... it makes life simpler.
Blame the mod.... it makes life simpler.
*spread arms wide* stem from mods inserting Post Restrictions, which aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.
Scum miller claims, stem from mods using the Miller role. Which?? aide creative scum who have a better idea of the game setup.
tl/dr. Blame Faraday.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:22 am
by kanyeknowsbest
huh i was really hoping for more garukck votes.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:23 am
by Benmage
FYI Thor
miller claim is on Page 13.... plenty of time to make sure no real miller claiming in their OP, as optimal strategy suggests, thus limiting the chances of a counter-claim.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:24 am
by kanyeknowsbest
i hiope theres gonna be a lot of ppl around as wje get nearer 2 deadline cus i diont wanna nolynch.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:25 am
by Benmage
Then switch kkb, place it l-3.. Ceph should return... I think Tammy is floating about.
You don't have the garruk votes.
MAKE THE MVOE PLEASE god
its 2 1/2 hours out!
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:30 am
by quadz08
*sigh* Ooba lynch clearly not happening at this point, and Thorlynch is better than Garruklynch for wagon analysis possibilities, even though I don't have strong feelings about either of them in practice.
VOTE: Thor
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:35 am
by PrideandJoy
I'm doing no lynch or Ooba lynch. Clearly if two quick wagons on SD and Garruk come like this and both are town this lynch is suckville. Also If Thor somehow suspected amrun previously than I don't want to lynch him.
Chesskid might come and slap me but w/e.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:37 am
by PrideandJoy
I mean ooba is the only one I (chesskid) think could be scum
but I may hammer if I'm around...day one nl is awful
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:38 am
by Shadoweh
I THINK WE SHOULD NO LYNCH
WE WOULDN'T WANT A TOWNIE TO DIE
PRO DAY 1 STRATEGIES
I'm out, just stop waffling and consolidate. This isn't the kinda place where 5 hours is enough.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:39 am
by Benmage
Yeah and with 2 1/2 hours.. your option is NL or Thor.
Opting for NL is disgraceful.
There is clearly no ooba lynching happening in 2 hours, if it hasn't happened yet and we are struggling for 2 freaking thor votes.
I mean.... pa-the-tiC
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:41 am
by chesskid3
summarize for me
why the fuck ooba wagon died
who fuckign bitched out onto the bs wagons
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:41 am
by Tammy
I'm here and deciding what I want to do.
If we lynch Thor and he flips town I'm going to
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:41 am
by PrideandJoy
those 2 votes are town reluctance.
Because probably Thor is town
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:42 am
by PrideandJoy
the ooba wagon died or something because people suddenly developed a slight town lean on him. somehow.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:43 am
by Benmage
Tammy its D1, I'd die before a NL.
Chess, figure it out tomorrow.
2ish hours
Next time try consolidating earlier... grab people by collars.. yeesh everyone's panties jump into a bunch when I try and hardnose the game.. And when I don't we rival the US govt.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:43 am
by PrideandJoy
Also Shadoweh you're scum aren't you.
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:44 am
by Tammy
Well we had a wagon going on safety dance that fell to Thor and Garruck when safetydance "town told"
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:44 am
by Benmage
Shadows votes on thor, if he was scum he'd probably unvote in conjunction with that i-dot statement.
Next time try consolidating earlier... grab people by collars.. yeesh everyone's panties jump into a bunch when I try and hardnose the game.. And when I don't we rival the US govt.
Also SD is town that would be why he towntold tammy
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:45 am
by Benmage
In post 1794, Tammy wrote:Well we had a wagon going on safety dance that fell to Thor and Garruck when safetydance "town told"
The Garruck wagon was comically bad. It would've been a horrendous speedlynch. Now if we got off Sdance a few days a go because people stopped twiddling their own isolated agendas, we could've had time to analyze Garruk.
