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In post 1773, Pyrotechnics wrote:BUT ISN'T MY KITTEN ADORABLE???

In post 1774, morph the cat wrote:

In post 1772, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 1771, Sir Waffles Wafflington wrote:As far as accountability for the night transactions. We could designate the top scum reads and have them transfer to top town reads.

Last game we had a table where we indicated which suspect would transfer what amount of money to which town read; however, that is part of what magua fixed. But if it's still random chance it could work.

WRONG HYDRA

That's pretty much the plan I have on the table, with modifications to counter scum's new tampering powers.

Hence the "give us 6 town reads and 5 abilities" comment.

In post 64, BBmolla wrote:I didn't bid on anything

Who should I dayvig

Edit: lol selfvote

VOTE: zMuffinMan

In post 164, BBmolla wrote:

In post 143, Lost Butterfly wrote:(Well, to add to my recent post, I find Muffin's reasons for suspecting baldeagle plausible.

Hey, BBmolla, why the fuck is your vote on Muffin, particularly since you've been calling multiple other people scum?)

Evil scheme

Or I forgot

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Lost Butterfly

Why the profanity

In post 640, BBmolla wrote:Lynching Lost Butterfly day 1 is a HUGE waste, even if you guys are scum, cause I still think you'll legitimately scumhunt to find your buddies. I just wanted to see Mina's reaction to it more than anything.

In post 1777, Pyrotechnics wrote:Morph - why are we in your top 6 town reads and garuda isn't when nacho is part of the reason you were town reading us?

In post 1538, Lost Butterfly wrote: Hey, Tammy, what's your read on us? It feels like your interactions with us today have been really toned down compared to yesterday (and yet you've implied you still think we're scum). baldeagle, too. Do you still have a scumread on us?

In post 1546, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:[

1166: Tammy tells me she doesn't like me putting stuff in brackets

In post 1778, Garuda wrote:I liked BB's opening! I had a feeling his openings as scum/town are actually similar to his play in face to face, went through a few of his games and tried to peg him based on his first post and his first post only. The conclusion was that this tell holds a hell of a lot better than it should and BBMolla's opening is a town point in his direction.

In post 1782, BBmolla wrote:Do I need to post the top town/top advertising thing that everyone is doing?

In post 1431, Harakiri wrote:On the whole, I want to make money to salvage the night phase as best we can. Let's lynch hard and fast

In post 1473, Harakiri wrote:

In post 1471, morph the cat wrote:Awwww, how cute, I managed to make sakura paranoid. Tell the other head he still owes me a setup spec dance.

Yeah, I'm here. I'm always up for a dance. First, some fitting music.

Spoiler: And here's the Mafia Role PMs from MMII

Left Hand wrote:The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a Mafia (Left Hand) Member.

Nest Egg: You start the game with $150.
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive $100.
Efficiency Bonus: You do not receive an efficiency bonus.
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, $100 is split evenly amongst the living members of your team (any fractions are lost).

Money (P): Each Night, you may spend any or all of your money on the following activities:
Bid: Bid on abilities being auctioned off in the marketplace. Described in Section III.
Invest: The following Night, you will receive 140% (round down) of what you invested (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s investment rate).
Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, they will immediately receive 95% (round down) of what you transferred. Otherwise, they will receive it the following Night (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s Transfer).
Advertise: Influence what abilities will be auctioned off in the marketplace the following Night. Described in Section IV.
Share: Select a single ability you possess; you may distribute some or all of your shots of this ability as you desire amongst your teammates for $51. This takes effect immediately, and they may use received shots this same Night.

Mafia Knowledge (FP): The Mafia (Left Hand) team is Guille2015, Phillammon, and MagnaofIllusion. You all received the same Role PM.

Mafia Communication (FP): You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

Insider Information (FP): You know that there is another Mafia team, and that you win with them. You know that the town is not mountainous; there are town members who are not Entrepreneurs.

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch: You do not possess a factional Night-kill. In order to kill, you must win the Night-kill auction.

Pulled Strings (FP, 1-shot): Once during the game, one member of your team may choose an ability that has not yet won an Advertising. It will win the current or next Advertising round, regardless of any money spent on other abilities. Advertising is described in Section IV.

Fakeclaim (P): The Entrepreneur Role PM is posted in the thread. If you give me specific game mechanics, I will write the relevant PM for you incorporating those elements with proper flavor and styling.

You win with the Mafia: You win when all the players alive have the Mafia win condition, and there is at least one player alive.

Right Hand wrote:The free market is fine, but it’s so...inefficient. A shame, really, but from that insight you quickly realized that with the help of a few others who shared your views that this is a turning point, a time of opportunity. Control of the marketplace can lead to all of your dreams coming true; given such a reward, it’s obvious that you’ll do anything to eliminate the competition -- permanently.

You are a Mafia (Right Hand) Member.

Nest Egg: You start the game with $150.
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive $100.
Efficiency Bonus: You do not receive an efficiency bonus.
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, $100 is split evenly amongst the living members of your team (any fractions are lost).

Money (P): Each Night, you may spend any or all of your money on the following activities:
Bid: Bid on abilities being auctioned off in the marketplace. Described in Section III.
Invest: The following Night, you will receive 140% (round down) of what you invested (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s investment rate).
Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, they will immediately receive 95% (round down) of what you transferred. Otherwise, they will receive it the following Night (note that this is different from the Entrepreneur’s Transfer).
Advertise: Influence what abilities will be auctioned off in the marketplace the following Night. Described in Section IV.
Share: Select a single ability you possess; you may distribute some or all of your shots of this ability as you desire amongst your teammates for $51. This takes effect immediately, and they may use received shots this same Night.

Mafia Knowledge (FP): The Mafia (Right Hand) team is GreyICE, Pitty, and Seanald. You all received the same Role PM.

Mafia Communication (FP): You may speak with your partners in the Quicktopic here at any time.

Insider Information (FP): You know that there is another Mafia team, and that you win with them. You know that the town is not mountainous; there are town members who are not Entrepreneurs.

There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch: You do not possess a factional Night-kill. In order to kill, you must win the Night-kill auction.

Lockout (FP, 1-shot): Once during the game, one member of your team may choose a current auction. The auction will act as normal, but at the end of the Night it will be announced that no one has won the auction, and that the auction will re-occur during the next Night. All money bid on the auction will be refunded.

Fakeclaim (P): The Entrepreneur Role PM is posted in the thread. If you give me specific game mechanics, I will write the relevant PM for you incorporating those elements with proper flavor and styling.

You win with the Mafia: You win when all the players alive have the Mafia win condition, and there is at least one player alive.

You are a Mafia (Left Hand) Member, along with your partners [Partner names go here].

Nest Egg: You start the game with [Some amount >100].
Wage: At the end of every Day, you will receive [Given no time bonus, some value >50].
Mafia Bonus: At the end of every Day, [Some fixed amount probably, 25?].

I assume these numbers are all likely the same or very similar to the last game.

Insider Dealings: Any money you spend bidding on auctions that are listed in red is [Probably only half used or partially refunded]

This is the one I was most worried about. I assume money they spend on red auctions has a multiplier factor or that they won ties no matter what...I dunno. I don't think they have an insurmountable advantage, though.

Dirty Tricks ($$$): You have a number of dirty tricks at your disposal. Each Night, each member of your team may perform one of these (if desired); however, each Dirty Trick may only be performed once per Night. The first Dirty Trick is free; each subsequent use [some signifigant but not impossible amount]. Dirty Tricks are not treated as targeted abilities; they cannot be roleblocked, and will not appear on Tracker or Watcher reports.
•Wire Fraud: Name two players, a transferer and a transferee. Any money that the transferer would transfer to the transferee during this Night [are blocked and or given to you instead].
•Lockout: Name a target player and a current auction. Any bid made by the targeted player for that auction [will not count as a bid?].
•Countermeasures: Name a target player, a targeted ability name, and a target. If that player attempts to use that ability on that target during this same Night, [that action will fail and they will lose that action].

We're in agreement on Wire Fraud.
I think the text on Lockout is "will not count towards the auction and be drained from that player's account." However, note the Right Hand's role PM in the last game...
I think countermeasures is closer to roleblock+steal ability. All three of these abilities are there for the sake of punishing town coordination in the open--if I'd not been dumb and actually read how the second game went down pre-game, I would have put a lot more emphasis on neighborizer(my initial plan was to try to get as many hydras in a neighborhood as possible). Thankfully, Peregrine is like, town and half, so it's fine(game might actually be over if Peregrine is scum anyways).

Shell Game ($$$): At any point during the Night, you may [choose?] to transfer some or all usages of one of your abilities amongst your team as desired. They may be used by the recipients that same Night.

This appears to be a buffed version of the power from the last game. Likely has a small cost.

•Transfer: Choose another player. If that player is on your team, [there is no cost to transfer money to them]. Otherwise, [same as town role pm?, 80% goes to them probs].

They get 95% and non-teammates play by normal rules.

In post 1486, Harakiri wrote:LOADS E MONAY

VOTE: Klick

In post 1779, morph the cat wrote:I think that sort of heartfelt read-documentation and selling may work better when the player is personally not on entirely solid ground. It turns the effort into something more selfless and altruistic and for-the-sake-of-town, when it could otherwise look like (and be) an effort at consolidating power.

In post 1780, Pyrotechnics wrote:Still leaning scum. I guess my interaction is toned down because I sobered up? >_> Or maybe I'm just in evaluation mode as arguing accomplished absolutely nothing.

In post 1777, Pyrotechnics wrote:Morph - why are we in your top 6 town reads and garuda isn't when nacho is part of the reason you were town reading us?

In post 1612, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 1608, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 1596, PeregrineV wrote:You're voting him.

Okay, so why are you suggesting that you and Nero are on the same team?

You're voting him because he's scum. If your not, why are you voting him?

You're calling me scum (stating my "team" could have gotten both NK and neighborizer), but not voting me.

Your conjecturing, but if you conjecture we are both scum, then you either think we are on the same team or opposing teams.

If you have enough information to reach the conclusion that we are both scum, then you should also have reached a conclusion that we are on the same or opposing teams.

So either you don't believe what you are saying, or your making shit up. Which is it?

In post 1785, Garuda wrote:

In post 1779, morph the cat wrote:I think that sort of heartfelt read-documentation and selling may work better when the player is personally not on entirely solid ground. It turns the effort into something more selfless and altruistic and for-the-sake-of-town, when it could otherwise look like (and be) an effort at consolidating power.

I have to admit that a small part of this is to impress Empire and prove that I'm a better hydra partner than Tammtrum

nacho wrote:

In post 1780, Pyrotechnics wrote:Still leaning scum. I guess my interaction is toned down because I sobered up? >_> Or maybe I'm just in evaluation mode as arguing accomplished absolutely nothing.

What do you think of them having paranoia of you and then putting you in their top 6 townreads? Also what did you think of my post on them?

In post 335, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 332, Harakiri wrote:

Unvote
Vote: VoidedMafia

Nacho knows why.

Can you tell me a story please? A story about how making a vote only one person will understand is a good idea.

In post 527, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:hey nacho you scumfuck are you still here?

In post 651, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Ughbluh.

I'm really not okay with the people who have been posting a crapton. It's a great way for scum to
- look town in the early game,
- blow up the thread into 26 pages after what, 24 hours, so that people like me who can't be on all day fall behind and lurk, which makes them prime scum targets, and
- decrease the signal:noise ratio.

I've had a stern word with N, and I'm definitely got my eye on Lost Butterfly, morph the cat, and Pyrotechnics.

In post 651, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:I'm conflicted on Lost Butterfly, because a lot of what Mina has done seems scummy to me (that awful first post about getting investigation immunity, html tags, argument with Pyrotechnics) and a lot of what Faraday has done seems much better. But I've never played with Mina and I can't read Faraday since Gay Mafia II and, I think, Mafiastuck.

In post 1272, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Tammy, you've been taking small digs at everyone including me all game. I'm glad I got you to finally take a stance, but it just really doesn't feel genuine. Where was I "trying to distract the conversation between morph and I regarding town working together"? That's not even something you actually care about, seeing as you're calling morph scum now.

Everyone's scum but you, Tammy.

I'm not even sure what you were trying to do with the Neighborizer thing. You had no end goal. It was just something for you to do to look busy yesterday and now that didn't work out for you you're trying to sweep it under the rug.

In post 1347, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 1306, Garuda wrote:Please don't fuck up quite possibly the only time we will be town together ever.

Please don't treat me like I'm stupid. This is the only thing you've said to me all game; that doesn't sit well.

In post 1786, morph the cat wrote:

In post 1777, Pyrotechnics wrote:Morph - why are we in your top 6 town reads and garuda isn't when nacho is part of the reason you were town reading us?

I guess this is a similar question that keeps rearing it's head to us.

It appears that you are at least to some extent going along with the attempted gamebreaking plan of your biggest scumread. If so, why?

In post 1788, Pyrotechnics wrote:I saw you posted it but didn't read it.

In post 1791, Garuda wrote:

In post 1788, Pyrotechnics wrote:I saw you posted it but didn't read it.

In post 1794, Sir Waffles Wafflington wrote:<3

I read your totally awesome wall on meeeeeeeeee though, which is let's face it way more important!

Also, I'll read it tonight; I'm just not there yet.

In post 1790, Pyrotechnics wrote:

In post 1786, morph the cat wrote:

In post 1777, Pyrotechnics wrote:Morph - why are we in your top 6 town reads and garuda isn't when nacho is part of the reason you were town reading us?

I guess this is a similar question that keeps rearing it's head to us.

It appears that you are at least to some extent going along with the attempted gamebreaking plan of your biggest scumread. If so, why?

Regardless of your alignment, your plan is a protown plan. You could be doing it because you're town or you could be doing it because you're scum trying to stay in the town's top town reads and therefore reap the benefits. We wouldn't transfer money to you at this point, but the plan itself is sound and running along the last game's game plan.

You also have no idea how much time Syry and I have spent trying to figure out your alignment and make sure we're not just confirmbiasing at this point. Right now, we're just kind of in observation mode and waiting to see what the next day brings and how it impacts our reads.

In post 1624, Garuda wrote:The strongest reason for Peregrine being town is probably snagging Neighborizer Night 0 for $100, and the way that situation that came about. Regardless of what scumteam he was with, if Peregrine put down a $100 bid on something that would be that effective for scum and just sort of got it, I think scum would keep that on the down low and not let him claim it. But just in case it was just a bid that looked town enough where the scumteam decided he should probably claim it, the really good parts are the followup based on him attacking people based on the scumminess of their advertisements. And when he conflicts with Muffin about this specific scenario, he immediately and smoothly turns to attacking the fuck out of Muffin based on that logic, which seemed extremely town to me. Peregrine is generally a pretty lurky guy in general, and as scum he exploits that and stays under the radar, so I can't imagine Peregrine-scum coasting on a good amount of towncred buckling down to attack Muffin, of all people.

Very likely town.