Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[sangres]

i don't think varsoon was the scumkill last night, just fyi

Yeah, I was thinking about that, too.

[sangres]

no i actually thought gooner was town as shit when he replaced in and brian wasn't bad either
tone and meta, chump change

[Angry Frat BROs]

VOTE: Brian

At this rate, you clowns will be telling me that this ^ conftowns Gooner

[sangres]

I rate this post a 0/10 because Gooner isn't scum.

....

Right, so somebody self-voting in RVS must be town because they kept getting votes.

And scum-Brian would NEVER do X as scum because ??? and meta.

Bullshit.

And yes I'm so mad, so very mad. I'm moving on to Dan next for calling me scum in that one post.

Not somebody. Brian. In that moment and in that context. It wasn't the only thing that came off townish to me, but it's a key part of the fabric of my townread.

I feel like I explain this in every fucking game lately. Meta doesn't boil down to a list of things a player never/always does as an alignment.

[sangres]

i want to lynch from this group today: {flandre, MS, kagami, cabd, kaze, cephrir} roughly in order of most to least desired lynches

Gonna sheep this list forever, k?
Except I give more leverage to Kaze and MS.

For reference.

Now everybody quicklynch Kagami plz.

This is another funny jokez, right?

Ffery, convince me that you didn't bus Flandre to shit. K thanks.

Please switch out for BRO, ty.

Skull went from "one scum in {skull, aegor} to "town" when he has orc null.

More ammo for the Skull-scum train.
Also, who is the only player in this playerlist who would kill Varsoon N1?
SKULL SKULL SKULL

Vote: Skullduggery

[sangres]

VOTE: Brian

At this rate, you clowns will be telling me that this ^ conftowns Gooner

hey what do you give us if gooner flips town?

[sangres]

you will probably still be alive by the time he's nightkilled, i wager

[Angry Frat BROs]

Meta doesn't boil down to a list of things a player never/always does as an alignment.

Well gosh Im sure glad you stripped out what your read was on Brian into just the "He self-voted -> town" part of it cause that makes TONS of sense.

I'd have to reread Brian, I think I missed most of the part of the game where he was actually posting. Gooner is definitely not living up to what I know hes capable of though.

gooner is a cool guy. I want to be his bff, but hes breaking my heart in this game.

[ActionDan]

my professional opinion is that Sangres and Angry Frat BROs are scum distancing. And this is all scum theatrics!

I am so good that I can see right through it!

[sangres]

Meta doesn't boil down to a list of things a player never/always does as an alignment.

Well gosh Im sure glad you stripped out what your read was on Brian into just the "He self-voted -> town" part of it cause that makes TONS of sense.

I'd have to reread Brian, I think I missed most of the part of the game where he was actually posting. Gooner is definitely not living up to what I know hes capable of though.

gooner is a cool guy. I want to be his bff, but hes breaking my heart in this game.

If you want a detailed town-case on Gooner, it will have to wait until I have a chunk of uninterrupted time.

HeyCabd,

I asked you a related question earlier, but I'd like to know why you think the really strong (and totally incorrect) conviction Kagami has that her character claim should all but clear her is not a town tell.

[sangres]

This was pretty clearly Town-Varsoon, but he wasn't making enough of an impact to draw the attention of a protective role. That's my theory.

And this sort of theory is why you're scum.

Rolenames are not a defense in any way, shape or form; they never have been, and they never will be.

Not voting yet, but Kagami is scum.

Nope. Not even close

Then we can circle around as long as you'd like but your name claim does absolutely nothing to indicate your alignment.

But the conviction that it does certainly does a lot to indicate alignment.

Flandre's massive fencesit on Aegor/Skull makes me think both are town and she was trying to redirect suspicion away from the real scum in the neighborhood

which makes me lean towards macmollie even more

Why do you think Flandre would pull a massive fencesit on two townies to draw suspicion away from real scum in the neighborhood?

We're in hammer range. Intent to hammer in 48 hours.

this kagami wagon is the shittiest wagon I've seen in a while and I swear to god if you hammer it your captain is going to chew you the fuck out on the durandal tonight.

[sangres]

I asked you a related question earlier, but I'd like to know why you think the really strong (and totally incorrect) conviction Kagami has that her character claim should all but clear her is not a town tell.

Hint: the correct answer is it is a towntell so you're very sorry for being on the wagon in the first place.
you're almost as bad as AP, jesus.

[mastin2]

anyway, in that case, what kind of reaction should i look for from a scum-mastin? and how can i tell you're not scum faking your town behavior?

Scum-Mastin is actually manipulative? Scum-Mastin actually fakes my town behavior? Scum-Mastin lacks the charm of the town-me? Scum-Mastin actually has an artificial feeling? Not sure I can actually answer that.

i really don't like the wagon composition after mastin but eh

That's a good point, but I kinda assumed that the scum thought Kagami was going down in flames and was caught.

[Cephrir]

no i actually thought gooner was town as shit when he replaced in and brian wasn't bad either
tone and meta, chump change

This was my instinctive reaction as well when he first showed up. The moonlogic SK hypothesis was a little strange, but I think I like that he's sticking to it when pushed on how silly it is.

Unrelated to this post, are you suggesting AFB is actually an SK?

my professional opinion is that Sangres and Angry Frat BROs are scum distancing. And this is all scum theatrics!

I am so good that I can see right through it!

My professional opinion is that you're dumb!

This was pretty clearly Town-Varsoon, but he wasn't making enough of an impact to draw the attention of a protective role. That's my theory.

And this sort of theory is why you're scum.

Help me break free of my early townread on Skull. He *has* been increasingly strange but I don't especially recall you suspecting him elsewhere. Also, maybe it's your heads crossing, but you suggested that Varsoon wasn't the scum kill and that Skull killed Varsoon, so is Skull an SK now?

Rolenames are not a defense in any way, shape or form; they never have been, and they never will be.

Not voting yet, but Kagami is scum.

Nope. Not even close

I'll give you that her conviction on that point seems townish in retrospect (although it was almost implausible how long she clung to that point after everyone told her it was wrong), but is it town enough to make up for her behavior yesterday? I could maybe be convinced to go elsewhere today, but I don't know that I'm sold on where you're going.

P.S. To what extent is things that went on in your neighborhood influencing you? If at all, care to share?

[sangres]

Unrelated to this post, are you suggesting AFB is actually an SK?

No, I'm trolling AP because he's being bad and doing that thing where he calls obvious town scum again.

Help me break free of my early townread on Skull. He *has* been increasingly strange but I don't especially recall you suspecting him elsewhere. Also, maybe it's your heads crossing, but you suggested that Varsoon wasn't the scum kill and that Skull killed Varsoon, so is Skull an SK now?

At first, I figured Varsoon wasn't the scum kill because who the fuck would kill Varsoon. But then, I thought about Skull and neighbor shenanigans and things began to click a bit better.

I'll give you that her conviction on that point seems townish in retrospect (although it was almost implausible how long she clung to that point after everyone told her it was wrong), but is it town enough to make up for her behavior yesterday? I could maybe be convinced to go elsewhere today, but I don't know that I'm sold on where you're going.

What was bad about her behavior yesterday?

P.S. To what extent is things that went on in your neighborhood influencing you? If at all, care to share?

Not much. Flandre knowing the neighborhood because of ~magic~ is influencing me quite a bit, though.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Can somebody with an actually good townread on mastin explain it to me?

I'm getting paranoid about her again.

Town: Sangres, ActionDan, macmollie
Still town: Venmar, Aegor, Pieguy*
Meh leaning towards "town I guess": Mastin (is a cop though which is why shes lurking and sheeping me here silently), Metal Sonic, zMuffin?, Cephrir (although I hate admitting I was wrong here I think not sure how much my emotions are affecting this)

--
People not listed above:
Kaze, Skull, Cabd, Gooner, MafiaSSK, orcinus_themafia, CAGami

^ Would lynch these people I think. I need to read some early D1 stuff and maybe some ISOs though.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Who are you an alt of, again? Jiffy?

I can't remember.

Flandre has been in games before?

[sangres]

what about skull

[Angry Frat BROs]

No, I'm trolling AP because he's being bad and doing that thing where he calls obvious town scum again.

Yes Kagami is simply dripping with town motivated play, Nacho.

I get why you think its town, but. its. not. town.

Look at the

motivation

. There is no scumhunting, there is no effort to solve the game, there is no.

Passion

. The defense reads a little town, I'll give you that, but look at the big picture. What is Kagami doing that looks town other than that? The soft defense of Flandre, lumped in with other lurkers was scum plain and simple. Town doesn't lump all the lurkers together and call them policy lynches in a negative way. That is what

I

would do if I were protecting a buddy subtly . It is manipulative scumplay and hraahhhh you have been manipulated. I'm here for you though Nacho to guide you to the light . Kagami's focus on her ROLE and nothing else is from scum. It shows that where her attention is, is, well, forced. If it fit into the bigger picture of trying to find scum it would make sense, but. it. does. not. This is a desperation attempt to look town and it is not working. the vote on us is posturing, the wagon analysis was superficial. You are being manipulated by scum.

p-edit: Skull could be scum. I thought the "Devils Advocate, but why would Flandre bus Kagami" comment was scummy.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Please switch out for BRO, ty.

Give me Cabd's reading speed instead of my below-average-for-a-college-student reading speed and you can have me.

[Angry Frat BROs]

my professional opinion is that Sangres and Angry Frat BROs are scum distancing. And this is all scum theatrics!

I am so good that I can see right through it!

But we had so much fun last night

[Angry Frat BROs]

I asked you a related question earlier, but I'd like to know why you think the really strong (and totally incorrect) conviction Kagami has that her character claim should all but clear her is not a town tell.

Because it's so obviously a stupid assertion to make.

[Angry Frat BROs]

Scum-Mastin is actually manipulative? Scum-Mastin actually fakes my town behavior? Scum-Mastin lacks the charm of the town-me? Scum-Mastin actually has an artificial feeling? Not sure I can actually answer that.

Scum mastin would have been lynched by now?

[Angry Frat BROs]

Also, who is the only player in this playerlist who would kill Varsoon N1?

i don't think varsoon was the scumkill last night, just fyi

Yeah, I was thinking about that, too.

No stop flailing around and lynch mafia. HI BRO

[sangres]

Help me break free of my early townread on Skull. He *has* been increasingly strange but I don't especially recall you suspecting him elsewhere. Also, maybe it's your heads crossing, but you suggested that Varsoon wasn't the scum kill and that Skull killed Varsoon, so is Skull an SK now?

If you go back and look at day 1, you'll see a lot of posturing and poking and prodding among our neighborhood. I tried to stay mostly in observation mode throughout that, but I came out of the day feeling like scum was most likely in Skull and Aegor. I flipped flopped a few times as to which of them was scummier, but eventually settled on Skull. AFB's Aegor read was a factor.

I did a reach-out in the QT thread, pointing out that Skull's scumreads have been very reactive (sort of in the same way that pie's scumreads were, but it was more of a slow boil in some cases) which doesn't look like any sort of effort at a balanced read of the game. I actually thought the orcinus/Skull interactions over her "rolefishing" looked town v town at first. I changed my mind.