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The Kaboose paper trail goes right back to Titus; the associative tells are emanations of events occurring from the fallout of Post 996 and Post 1073.

The reads evolution on Kaboose throughout the game makes less sense as a natural progression and more sense as putting up the Phalanx once the serious attacks loomed. The first thing Titus posts about Kaboose is found in Post 1002 when she notes how Kaboose wasn't voting even though he was scum reading elle. From then on, though, she grabbed onto Post 1051 and never let go even though the reaction wasn't particularly town. For funsies, we even get a little revisionist history in Post 1074 when we hear Kaboose's ISO is "dripping with town motivation to crack the game," doubling down on a read that had evidence of showing cracks in the foundation.

She then has the incredibly strained angle in Post 1104 in the wake of Swag's obviously fake claim. Even if you think the claim was obviously fake, the argument about how the mason claim should be lynched before the claimed guilty is terrible and doesn't hold up to even the mildest application of logic. We've been getting pushback from Titus every step of the way on the Kaboose read. I can just rattle off posts: Post 1053, Post 1074, Post 1180, Post 1521, Post 1603, and Post 1612. There's also the last moment move to try to get us to rejoin the Green Crayons wagon in Post 1689 by taking this strained "GC is scum if Kaboose is scum... or not" angle.

It's also apparent from how she talks about Anti that she's playing to his apparent meta experience with her. Anti will listen to me, though, so she's out of luck there.

↑ Malakittens wrote:The only thing that pauses me on Titus-town atm is GC v Titus because I know Titus-scum and played with her a few games to know that she's a mastermind diabolica scum and this whole dance reminds me of a recent off-site game. So I wouldn't put it past titus to go after her partner in order to win off of a type of bus like this.~

There's no evidence to suggest Titus wasn't bussing. Titus only voted after elle and Grib switched. With Antihero in full strong arm mode at that point, Kaboose's grave was just waiting to be filled.

Yeah, but she usually buses way sooner than that after watching her play scum tbh

Usually, schmusually.

Unless the player has rigid of a play I don't put much stock into those kinds of arguments.

Okay fine w/e it doesn't matter.

I still will want to lynch GC regardless. To lynch GC; if I have to lynch titus I will, but not with out hesistation because i still feel like shes somewhat town.

When I ask Antihero to back up this meta, will he?

Depends on which games he's gonna meta. Her meta has changed recently. When you play scum with her and you watch how she evolved that game there's things that she does, but yes she'll bus early if she knows her partner is in trouble or sometimes she'll try and lynch someone who isn't a scum partner. It depends on the size of the team and how many are alive. It's about the cred, all about the cred~

Mala's pride in defending Titus makes me think Mala is town if Titus is scum. I agree that Titus did go to extraordinary lengths to protect Kaboose.

Fascinating. Now, Anti, tell me how you feel about the Titus case. And someone whisper sweet nothings into my ear about Grib.

Also, I should be entirely caught up tomorrow night. And if you feel like I'm ignoring you, then be aware that I probably am.

↑ Lone Ranger wrote:Mala's pride in defending Titus makes me think Mala is town if Titus is scum. I agree that Titus did go to extraordinary lengths to protect Kaboose.

The fact Kaboose had such a strong negative reaction to you calling Mala town makes me think Mala is in fact town, though I don't know how valid that logic is.

Possibly. It could be a "towncred" type reaction too though i.e. questioning a townread on a buddy made on a tenous basis so if Mala ever flips, he looks good and I look bad.

↑ Jingle wrote:And someone whisper sweet nothings into my ear about Grib.

The interactions between Kaboose and Grib are quite extensive for them to be scum together. Kaboose is pretty conciliatory in his dealings with Grib. That, coupled with Grib's key vote in securing the Kaboose lynch, leads me to the conclusion that he's town.

Now I'd like to hear some whispers from you. ^_^

Just in general, how good of a scum player would you say Malakittens is, Jingle?

^^^ Pulling from memory, but I believe a lot of the Kaboose/Grib interactions were driven by Kaboose, further solidifying a one way street in terms of alignment.

↑ Heartless wrote:

↑ Jingle wrote:And someone whisper sweet nothings into my ear about Grib.

The interactions between Kaboose and Grib are quite extensive for them to be scum together. Kaboose is pretty conciliatory in his dealings with Grib. That, coupled with Grib's key vote in securing the Kaboose lynch, leads me to the conclusion that he's town.

Now I'd like to hear some whispers from you. ^_^

Just in general, how good of a scum player would you say Malakittens is, Jingle?

I honestly can't remember playing with her as scum. Which means either I've never played with scum her, or she's pretty decent. Possibly even both!

You're bad at this whole "whisper sweet nothings" thing Jingle.
Such a turn off. V_V

↑ Heartless wrote:The interactions between Kaboose and Grib are quite extensive for them to be scum together. Kaboose is pretty conciliatory in his dealings with Grib. That, coupled with Grib's key vote in securing the Kaboose lynch, leads me to the conclusion that he's town.

Fascinatingly, elle said that a Titus/Grib team seemed likely to her, and that she'd probably die if that was the case.

If you want I can post some erotic friendfiction, but I'm the mason of this pair, I get to lord by conftown status over everyone and generally be useless so that scum consider not shooting me tonight.

I lied, she said possible, not likely. My bad.

↑ Malakittens wrote:Depends on which games he's gonna meta. Her meta has changed recently. When you play scum with her and you watch how she evolved that game there's things that she does, but yes she'll bus early if she knows her partner is in trouble or sometimes she'll try and lynch someone who isn't a scum partner. It depends on the size of the team and how many are alive. It's about the cred, all about the cred~

i agree w/ this

i also don't understand mala's argument or her titus read. mala, could you flesh it out a bit more w/r/t what's going on in this game w/ titus and kaboose?

There's a past game where Anti Jingle and I all played together. Jingle was the mislynch target. So I repeat the same manuever...hoping for a different result?

Http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=51356

If you want to know my meta ask me.


Nah, this is opportunistic scum. I regret not seeing that sooner but fake guilties piss me the fuck off.

↑ Titus wrote:So I repeat the same manuever...hoping for a different result?

yeah...

i mean.... scum protect their scumbuddies and lynch town. that's what they're supposed to do. just b/c it went badly that time in the execution doesn't mean that's not what scum should do.

also, the game is about 9 months old so...meh. past the expiration date of meta invoking.

↑ Heartless wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:So I repeat the same manuever...hoping for a different result?

yeah...

i mean.... scum protect their scumbuddies and lynch town. that's what they're supposed to do. just b/c it went badly that time in the execution doesn't mean that's not what scum should do.

also, the game is about 9 months old so...meh. past the expiration date of meta invoking.

Just mislynch me now then.

Seriously if you are so dense to consider me that stupid as scum, nothing I say will convince you when it's 2 v 1. Three if you include the dumb townie that inevitably pushes.

↑ Kaboose wrote:

↑ Heartless wrote:no my case is that, as scum, you make hair-rippingly shitty cases for scummy ppl to be town which is what you're doing w/ kaboose

How am I scummy?

↑ Titus wrote:I don't see why Kaboose is scum?

I had Swag who is obvious scum to me...and he fakeclaims a guilty on his buddy...that is Titus level scumfuckery. Most do not do that.

↑ Kaboose wrote:Wait you don't see how I'm scum, but Swag is scum and he fakeclaimed a guilty on his buddy, and in that case that buddy was me... So you do think I'm scum? or you don't? Because your 1603 is confusing.

i don't know tth, this doesn't look like a scum-scum-scum series of posts...

↑ Titus wrote:Just mislynch me now then.

Seriously if you are so dense to consider me that stupid as scum, nothing I say will convince you when it's 2 v 1. Three if you include the dumb townie that inevitably pushes.

/shrug

it wouldn't have been a bad move as scum. you would've just gotten unlucky that the flashwagon on kaboose actually went through. there really wasn't an indication that it was going to.

this is hard.... gc's pointedness doesn't really feel townish to me

↑ Titus wrote:Just mislynch me now then.

Seriously if you are so dense to consider me that stupid as scum, nothing I say will convince you when it's 2 v 1. Three if you include the dumb townie that inevitably pushes.

Heh. Didn't waste any time going straight for Anti's soft spot did you?

Nice try, but I'm working on getting him inoculated to bullshit like this.