Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

do you think i should still be scumreading her instead of you?

No, I just wanted an answer to my question.

Are you scumreading me? Sorry if I’ve missed this but I don’t think you’ve explicitly said.

[Oxy]

I think of the two choices I'm actually preferring this now, lol
VOTE: Scioness Sajj
Gut winning tug of war

[Scioness Sajj]

No, I just wanted an answer to my question.

Are you scumreading me? Sorry if I’ve missed this but I don’t think you’ve explicitly said.

yeah, i want an answer to my question too. hope we will figure it out.

yes I am.

[ofrhz]

What question

[Scioness Sajj]

that one I have asked when I've voted.

[ofrhz]

ofrhz why do you think you seem different to me d2?

Uhhhh I’m not going to guess what you’re thinking.

I do think I’m playing differently now that we have more knowledge after the flips, which helps PoE, so I’m relying on that more today than yesterday.

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm not thinking anything, you seem different I wanna figure out why

[ofrhz]

so why are you scumreading me

[Scioness Sajj]

your reactions today. most of them

Counter wagon that has just been created makes me wonder. may be just a hate thing/tunnel thing but who knows.

Or that thing with Mathdino being the nk. your overzealous defense of ruru.

PoE tells me there is scum in {you, ruru and oxy} +/- pintu & skitter. gotta sort you.

[ofrhz]

Didn’t you just answer your own question? Why would you say that you’re not “thinking anything” when the things you just listed were all things I did differently in D2?

[Scioness Sajj]

nope i didn't

Why you seem different not what seems different.

[Scioness Sajj]

Do you think that the things listed by me are things you have done differently in d1? I think you didn't do any of them?

not thinking anything was an answer to you not tryig to guess what I think

[ofrhz]

Why you seem different not what seems different.

I don't understand the distinction between the two.

Do you think that the things listed by me are things you have done differently in d1? I think you didn't do any of them?

I didn't do them in D1, so yeah, that's a major difference.

[skitter30]

@ofrhz, what do you think of my vote on you?

[Scioness Sajj]

hmmm

it's like do you seem strange because you did thing a, b and c or because of the manner in which you did a, b and c.

after I figure that out I wil move to: why does 1 or 2 seem different? what makes me perceive it us strange coming from you.

tldr: you ping me a lot, I need to know why

[ofrhz]

@skitter- it didn’t change my townread on you. I actually think the vote was pretty town because 1) you’re staying consistent with your other reads and 2) the Oxy thing was unproductive so you’re at least moving the game forward, even if your read on me is wrong.

@Scioness- I see the difference now. I still think it’s weird to ask me if I think what I did was “strange.” I realize some of the thinking process I went through was backwards (like the scumteam association stuff) so I’m trying to do it less, but that thinking made sense to me at the time until someone pointed it out.

[skitter30]

Gah this game is hard :/

Whoever scum are, you guys are doing a really good job.

I have too many townreads and like no scumreads besides the one I might be tunneled on so I'm like voting for the person I townread the least, even though I kinda townread them, if that makes sense.

@ofrhz: What do you think of scioness' vote on you? Who's your best candidate for scum right now? (independant of teamreads. Like just the person you find legitimately the most scummy all on their own)

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm waiting for nsg to come back

But we should start figuring things out

[ofrhz]

Scioness's vote: Scioness's 1729 implies she is no longer scumreading ruru, but the one thing that led her to not scumreading ruru was something that doesn't make sense to me (I say so why in 1712). The timing of her votes are oddly in line with yours, but whereas I can believe your reasoning for now townreading ruru (your vote on Oxy feels like ruru's vote on Scioness in some ways), I can't say the same for her. I'd rather wait for Scioness to answer my question about why she stopped scumreading ruru before passing judgment, but she doesn't seem to want to answer my question until I help her figure out why she's finding me strange, which is just weird

[ofrhz]

Before this mini wagon formed on me, I was trying to metaread pin, and my only conclusions were that 1) he likes to lay traps as town and 2) his reasoning this game seems off (this isn't the circular reasoning thing that was brought up earlier). For point 2, this game, he would take a certain situation and draw a completely different conclusion than I would from it. ex: he thought if you were scum, ruru would be scum because of ruru's vote on you D1. Another ex is where he said an ofrhz/pin pairing is more likely because of our votes on ruru late in the day. I feel like he is trying to draw contrived conclusions.

I also have a nagging feeling that he was trying to pocket me. In his other games as town, he would call things out, but he didn't call them out this game when I did the same exact thing (I would explain more if I could, but I just spent like almost half an hour looking for the post and can't find it ugh). This isn't a lot for me to go off of though.

[ofrhz]

Actually, I would really like pin to explain why he is now townreading (townleaning?) Scioness.

[pinturicchio]

Not calling you out for something I called out for someone else =/= pocketing you. Second time I'm accused of pocketing someone, first was Oxy, now you. I'm getting tired of that. My reasoning this game seems off because your conclusions differ from mine? Just say my reads are shit, because that's what you're saying.

[pinturicchio]

Actually, I would really like pin to explain why he is now townreading (townleaning?) Scioness.

I'm not explaining anything to you or anybody else. I'm approaching this game in a different way now, because we are in page 80 I think? On D2, because we give too much space to people explain themselves and oh! We are all town! Wonderful! I'll talk about my reads when it's completely necessary. I'm not giving scum more platforms to defend themselves.

[ofrhz]

I was not the only one who disagreed with these conclusions. No need to take it so personally.

[Scioness Sajj]

I never stopped scumread in ruru lol
You need to stół drawing random conclusions like really

1729 was nsg's exercise btw