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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:47 pm
by Brigitte
In post 1774, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1770, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1760, Xtoxm wrote:i'll support whatever ends day fastest
Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?
hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?
Yes

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:48 pm
by skitter30
have i played with you before?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:48 pm
by Brigitte
No

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:49 pm
by Xtoxm
In post 1768, skitter30 wrote:idk how good my reads are this game so far
i have a bunch of townreads (your slot, ank, reck, and enter)
and a bunch of people that are null because they've been lurking-ish (luckily creature replaced one of those, so hopefully that'll be easy)
and i don't ahve super strong scumreads rn

i'm not townreading chara yet, and nimueh feels scummy to me but i'm not sure i should be relying on my read there so yeah
not entirely sure where i want to vote rn
maybe i'll go back to brigitte.
ok i wont sheep you then lol
i looked at elbirns iso and i wanna say its his scum game
my meta on him is like 4 years old tho so idk

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:49 pm
by Enter
In post 1775, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1774, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1770, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1760, Xtoxm wrote:i'll support whatever ends day fastest
Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?
hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?
Yes
Have I played with you before?
I or Extrapolated Eagle?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:49 pm
by Xtoxm
In post 1775, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1774, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1770, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1760, Xtoxm wrote:i'll support whatever ends day fastest
Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?
hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?
Yes
are you nic cage

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:50 pm
by Brigitte
In post 1780, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1775, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1774, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1770, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1760, Xtoxm wrote:i'll support whatever ends day fastest
Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?
hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?
Yes
are you nic cage
Hey! This isn't 20 questions!

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:50 pm
by Brigitte
In post 1779, Enter wrote:
In post 1775, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1774, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1770, Brigitte wrote:
In post 1760, Xtoxm wrote:i'll support whatever ends day fastest
Well that would be me right now.

Also hello, welcome to the game. How are you?
hi im ok-ish have i played with you before?
Yes
Have I played with you before?
I or Extrapolated Eagle?
I don't recall.

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:51 pm
by skitter30
no because i played with nic cage :lol:

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:52 pm
by skitter30
In post 1778, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1768, skitter30 wrote:idk how good my reads are this game so far
i have a bunch of townreads (your slot, ank, reck, and enter)
and a bunch of people that are null because they've been lurking-ish (luckily creature replaced one of those, so hopefully that'll be easy)
and i don't ahve super strong scumreads rn

i'm not townreading chara yet, and nimueh feels scummy to me but i'm not sure i should be relying on my read there so yeah
not entirely sure where i want to vote rn
maybe i'll go back to brigitte.
ok i wont sheep you then lol
i looked at elbirns iso and i wanna say its his scum game
my meta on him is like 4 years old tho so idk
why'd you think it's his scum game?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:53 pm
by Enter
Do I know you, Brig?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:56 pm
by Ankamius
In post 1555, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1526, Ankamius wrote:I have more to say on that and how my fundamental thought process as town works and WHY I've gone this specific route for this specific situation, but I'm pretty certain it'll just get written off as self meta so I'll just stop here and leave the thread for a while
i'd be interested in hearing this, when you get back
Okay.

My town thought process generally follows these guidelines:

1. Get initial reads that I'm reasonably confident in.
2. Build a picture for what the gamestate is looking like, where the overall trajectory is heading, and where the scum influence in that gamestate/trajectory are
3. Test that theory by shaking up the gamestate enough that everyone has to adjust to what I'm doing.
4. Narrow down where the scumteam are likely to be in the game, and narrow down the slots that are most likely the scum causing the scum influence in the game.
5. Rebuild the gamestate so that town is naturally going to find my townreads as town and my PoE as scum.

So essentially, my job in most games is to find where scum are weakest and force town to scumhunt within that area. The tactics change, but that's fundamentally what I'm doing from game to game.

Relating to this game specifically, my read on the gamestate began with this:

1. There was overwhelming support among the active players to lynch the NotMySpamAccount slot
2. Most of those slots were townreading each other.
3. The rest of the slots were pretty much absent entirely.

Initial deductions are: If scum are within the active slots, they are already well on their way to pocketing the active town within them. It's unlikely that all the scum are in the lurker slots because it's ultimately dangerous to allow that many town slots to townread each other so easily within the game and agree on one slot. Therefore, it's very likely that there is
some
scum intent in killing NMSA, which means that either NMSA is a mislynch or that scum are okay bussing him.

I can abuse those deductions and test them by building the increasing suspicion on my slot to force people to pay attention to me instead of NMSA. It's important to note here that I can toneread people much more easily when they are targeting me because I can direct their thoughts in a way that can reveal to me whether they are legitimately falling for my trick and scumreading me... or faking it. I assumed that either people would be very split among scumreading me and how much they were scumreading me, or there would be a good deal of melding... which would strongly indicate there's scum within that bracket since that would be evidence to my theory that scum are within the active players/NMSA voters, and therefore looking to pocket themselves into the active towns.

I eliminated Reck from that bracket since he was aggressively pushing his own wagon; I don't suspect this is to save NMSA because of the above deductions, I'm not getting the sense he's trying to
derail
town by throwing them down a different path since he's aggressive, but not RC-levels of aggressive. And lastly, the way he was treating my slot was indicative of him critically thinking about whether my slot is scum or not, which is not 100% unfakeable if my read of him is correct, but it's more than enough to leave him out of my PoE list for a good while until I have reason to revisit it.

I used the fake hammer to get the reads too, and purposely amplified people's emotional reactions to get people to further react to me and reveal their mindset, since legitimate emotional reactions that make sense with the situation and their internal logic is NOT easy to fake. Brigitte failed this spectacularly. urap2 became a decently strong townread because of when and how he reframed his reads (I still don't believe he wanted to pocket me, this was well before I started getting any townreads other than like... Reck).

The rest of my provoking people was mainly to see how they would react and how their read of me would shift as I continued posting. You perfectly nailed what I was looking to come off as, cocky at being obvtown and never able to be lynched this game; this is why I kept up the snark for so long and kept posting about how hard I am to lynch as town (which IS true, none of that was a lie). I strongly suspected that scum would either back off, or strain themselves in a tunnel against me under the opinion that they
couldn't
back off. Enter somewhat fits this, but I don't have enough to really place it anywhere concrete, and Brigitte pretty well failed this.

I think this is roughly everything?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:56 pm
by Xtoxm
In post 1784, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1778, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1768, skitter30 wrote:idk how good my reads are this game so far
i have a bunch of townreads (your slot, ank, reck, and enter)
and a bunch of people that are null because they've been lurking-ish (luckily creature replaced one of those, so hopefully that'll be easy)
and i don't ahve super strong scumreads rn

i'm not townreading chara yet, and nimueh feels scummy to me but i'm not sure i should be relying on my read there so yeah
not entirely sure where i want to vote rn
maybe i'll go back to brigitte.
ok i wont sheep you then lol
i looked at elbirns iso and i wanna say its his scum game
my meta on him is like 4 years old tho so idk
why'd you think it's his scum game?
every time i played with him as town he felt like
really really townie

he has the damp squib sorta feel that i associate with his scum game here
the meta is old tho so i wouldnt wanna go hard on it

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:57 pm
by Ankamius
ftr I'm still fluctuating between stages 2-3, I don't think I can move on to stage 4 without flips.

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:57 pm
by Creature
lmao thought I was replacing into a mini normal.

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:58 pm
by Ankamius
haha creature got wrecked

git gud scrub

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:58 pm
by Brigitte
In post 1789, Creature wrote:lmao thought I was replacing into a mini normal.
Welcome to the normal ship Anuket Topaz

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:59 pm
by Creature
Cool Ank is still playing

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:00 pm
by Creature
Ank, what's the gamestate rn?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:01 pm
by Ankamius
That big post I just posted is my general thoughts for the game

I can give my current reads if it helps

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:02 pm
by skitter30
@ank that was quite interesting to read through actually, both in a this-game-specific sense and in a general how-you-approach-games sense

do you/ can you ever fake being cocky like this as scum?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:03 pm
by skitter30
In post 1789, Creature wrote:lmao thought I was replacing into a mini normal.
hello!

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:04 pm
by Ankamius
I can fake being cocky, but it's bravado. I don't have the same charisma for avoiding mislynches as scum.

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:05 pm
by tris
In post 1773, tris wrote:
In post 1767, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 1765, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1757, Xtoxm wrote:aw i wanted the tictac slot
hello!
i'm pretty sure your slot is town!
oh thats good, i am too
should i sheep you until i get reads
Why do think you should sheep skitter specifically?

Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:07 pm
by skitter30
ok i think that's good enough for me rn
VOTE: brigitte