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[PenguinPower]

guys who's, like, left in your POEs

I mean - who is this addressed to? Lots of people haven't even checked in yet.

[PenguinPower]

PP of the pagetops.

[schadd_]

unless you're just gonna be like "lmao i was rxn testing u" i'd like to see what the case of me s/s with pikachu was so that i know you're not just sabre rattling (the actual correct meaning this time)

[schadd_]

^@ vorkuta of course

guys who's, like, left in your POEs

I mean - who is this addressed to? Lots of people haven't even checked in yet.

you - ig you might be holstering some hot takes. uzi. psyche as always

[PenguinPower]

Oh yeah - not answering until everyone has checked in.

[schadd_]

i promise that im trying to sort and not just masterfully manipulating a scenario where i get to use the term sabre rattling aptly

[PenguinPower]

Doesn't necessarily have anything to do with you.

[schadd_]

yeah u dont have to elaborate

[Vorkuta]

lmao i was rxn testing u

Spoiler:

Listen, I understand you can't understand me, that all you hear is 'pika pika,' but the important part is that we don't need to spend long in RVS because schadd is clearly scum

VOTE: schadd

VOTE: Redemption

This reads like wking schadd while trying to not come off as wking by hiding behind "whaa 3 votes is plurality" nonsense

Like, if I totally bought schadd thought I was scum and should be lynched, I might think the meme would be fine. But so far most of what I have seen is that he didn't like my Gamma vote, which is fine but not enough to spend an hour making a meme over, and that he thinks I'm pink ball, which is... not even something I want to respond to. If I am pink ball, I didn't want to be mainhunted, and if I'm not pink ball, I don't want to get into that argument and make it easier to main hunt me. So his argument against me is boring for me to respond to, which makes me feel like he doesn't believe it. So making a meme for 501 is kinda gross given that his reasons just aren't that good and literally everyone patting him on the back for it kinda has me trying to decide whether he's obnoxious town that scum are trying to goad on and buddy by calling funny to get a mislynch on me or if he's just scum.

I'm leaning 'just scum' though. I think he was faking the reaction to vorkuta in pretending like he was going to rewrite his whole reads list and his push on me while I had stuff come up is opportunistic af.

VOTE: schadd

YES

This is more of what I'm talking about. the confidence level here seems fake.

And this is what I mean with the meme too. It's day 1 and I had a busy week so apparently that means his scumread on me is so strong that he's going to abandon the hope of working with the person you're focusing on?

Like I have made shitposty memes as part of pushes before... On like day 4 when I have total confidence th slot is scum. I wouldn't make one to get a read on a player because if I was wrong then the player is probably going to lose objectivity. I don't feel objective about schadd because right now I more feel while he is still alive in the game I don't really want to do anything other than lynch him. This is what it means to do a bad faith push and that's why I don't think town does aggressive tunnely memes like that day 1. I don't feel like he actually is thinking about my slot, he is thinking about how he looks pushing my slot.

I have no history with schadd that's relevant to how I'm reading the meme; I'm talking about the thought process behind making the meme and the decision to do so on day 1. I think making memes can be ti but not in this circumstance.

i love confrontation + for a moment you looked like generic scum doubling down to me which would be super great as id just have to win the 1v1 for today which is ez

im worried you're trying to keep me an unresolved 1v1 : (

vanity voting me with the assumption i won't vote you back (as scum)

your slot needs to die

VOTE: schadd

there is no reason town you wants to generate this much wifom about my vote, I felt pretty angry when I voted you over the weekend and I didn't want to just sit on that without reevaluating when I cooled down but it seems like you just want to goad me not sort me

I feel like schadd's posts make me angry, so while I'm very confident he's scum there's another part of me that feels like I'm not approaching him objectively. He's probably scum, but there's a very small chance we just have a really big playstyle conflict. Performer just reads like scum to me and there's not so much emotion involved.

its felt for a while like the only evidence that dp's posts are real thoughts that hes having in the moment are the confident / authoritative way he presents them

like its been boilerplate "i think this is fake. theres no reason u would think that. this is opportunistic." punctuated by "die scum fucka you everybody explain to me why theyre not voting this slot RIGHT now."

I mean for you to be town you have to be highly manipulative town. Personally I think it's fucking rich that nomnomnom tried to case me for not interacting with her when last night we were both doing the exact same thing--trying to make sense of N_M's slot. If she was town I think maybe she would have noticed that there was a multi-colored distraction for 1 of the 2 days she has been in the game?

I actually keep thinking I might be wrong on you, but posts like this don't make that any easier.

Like if you're town I feel like you're approaching my slot more like you want an easy lynch rather than you really have a lot of conviction in your read one way or the other, but you also seem to like being hard to understand almost as much as N_M does

Hey nomnom what's your read of schadd?

Like a third of his ISO (and arguably half of his word count) is dedicated to trying to get your face.
He has the mad hypertunnel hots for you, and while I get that he's an alt and not a newbie, I still really want to make the claim that this is textbook distancing & bussing 101
If he was any decent and convincing and we actually got the schadd_ lynch on D1, he'd've raked in all of the big-boy townie points and coasted for the win.

I reread him (and deciphered the pika pika pika pika speak) immediately after the flip and it's my impression that the ^ was his game plan (while ofc waiting for a doctor to die)

[schadd_]

thanks

[schadd_]

i guess, did you not make anything of him doing essentially the same thing to nomnomnom

[Vorkuta]

Maximum LAMIST effort put in

Speaking of LAMIST, am I voting MJL?
Yes I am- she's doing the LAMISNew thing which obfuscates reading her and is attempting to play to our sympathies.

Contrast that with another newbie (redemption....) and how he's.... not... playing to our sympathies...
and combine that with the fact that MJL is fairly active and has a few games under her belt
And you have my scum case.

Oh and there's also her ISO, which feels really INTENTIONALLY TAILORED TO BE as NAI as possible.
She avoids any sort of deep and analytical interaction, opting for fluffposts and "clarification" posts

The show of hammering?
The hyper-self-consciousness of god-forbid hammering town?
All in her scum-range.

[PenguinPower]

How do you know MJL's scumrange?

[Vorkuta]

i guess, did you not make anything of him doing essentially the same thing to nomnomnom

The distinction between nom x3 (is that she flipped town lolololol) is the precarious position DP was in when he decided to pick a fight.
It was heated and emotional (GODDAMIT NOMx3) as opposed to the one with you which felt more (lawl let me meme my way to victory with my buddy schadd)

Also nom was a replacement so there's that- this interaction was prevalent in the.... last third of D1 as opposed to his love for you which was there throughout all of D1.

[MaryJoLisa]

Is it because I didn't know what PGO was?

[Vorkuta]

How do you know MJL's scumrange?

I looked at her, read the nice scum game which she kindly linked to us, sized her up based on a really quick skim of her other town games, and made a verdict.

I also put myself in her shoes (October 2018 join date so a few months difference- my newbie memories are fresh) and I was so tempted to abuse the newbie card in my initial games.
The thing is I had like ~8 town-only games before my first scum game so *shrugs*

pedit
...... not entirely
it's not the straw that broke the camel's back, but these LAMISN moments only strengthen my case

[PenguinPower]

Hmm...

[schadd_]

as proof of concept: 1939 made me think of a sort of obvious bus from a while ago

Bye Eddie. Die scum die.

though i doubted that it would be a bus circumstantially

i guess, did you not make anything of him doing essentially the same thing to nomnomnom

The distinction between nom x3 (is that she flipped town lolololol) is the precarious position DP was in when he decided to pick a fight.
It was heated and emotional (GODDAMIT NOMx3) as opposed to the one with you which felt more (lawl let me meme my way to victory with my buddy schadd)

Also nom was a replacement so there's that- this interaction was prevalent in the.... last third of D1 as opposed to his love for you which was there throughout all of D1.

i guess i don't see the distinction - i think dp's thing with me was also pretty explicitly emotional in e.g. 1460. also he was definitely also very much being wagoned when he pushed me the first time . . .

[MaryJoLisa]

Thx for explaining, Vorkuta.

[Vorkuta]

i think dp's thing with me was also pretty explicitly emotional

I mean that's kind of why I unvoted (also seeing as I won't get a majority on you without more damning evidence)

I still stand by the

fact

opinion that his "emotional outburst" towards you was part of scum theater
while his "emotional outburst" towards nomx3 was flailing and fueled by the added stress of wagon #2 after wagon #1 on him diffused.

Also in hindsight that's probably why nomx3 was shot

[Performer]

nomnomnom,

Town Doctor

, was killed Night 1.
chennisden,

Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

, was killed Night 1.

Anyone want to claim fruit or to have been visited for shits and giggles?

*ahem*
VOTE: schadd

Him getting off the pichu wagon immediately after his UB claim is suspicious
Him not 100% supporting it the second time he was wagonned is also sus

I got nothing from chen

@mod

Would it be possible for a mafia NURSE inherit a TOWN doctor PR?

The wiki is a bit murky on 'cross factional backup inheritance'

I can't remember ever hearing of a nurse in a normal game, but upon a quick check of the wiki, it looks like they would be able to inherit a town doctor pr after dying. Why would you care about that anyway...?

[Performer]

LUV is town. moving on.

why.

pg 70 interactions between vork and others, makes me think he's town since it sounds like he's coming from an uninformed standpoint. however, I'm with the belief that another pr claim isn't the greatest move at this gamestate

[Vorkuta]

Why would you care about that anyway...?

I somehow vaguely recall reading somewhere (while researching DP's claim) that Scum-backups can't inherit town-PRs or something, so I wanted confirmation.

And from setup
scum nurse -> scum doctor?
Because in my vig setups, scum has a way to stop vig shots
if not doctor then bulletproof/roleblocker/jailkeeper?

Options, probabilities/possibilities, and all that- game completeness.

[Performer]

lmao i was rxn testing u

Spoiler:

Listen, I understand you can't understand me, that all you hear is 'pika pika,' but the important part is that we don't need to spend long in RVS because schadd is clearly scum

VOTE: schadd

VOTE: Redemption

This reads like wking schadd while trying to not come off as wking by hiding behind "whaa 3 votes is plurality" nonsense

Like, if I totally bought schadd thought I was scum and should be lynched, I might think the meme would be fine. But so far most of what I have seen is that he didn't like my Gamma vote, which is fine but not enough to spend an hour making a meme over, and that he thinks I'm pink ball, which is... not even something I want to respond to. If I am pink ball, I didn't want to be mainhunted, and if I'm not pink ball, I don't want to get into that argument and make it easier to main hunt me. So his argument against me is boring for me to respond to, which makes me feel like he doesn't believe it. So making a meme for 501 is kinda gross given that his reasons just aren't that good and literally everyone patting him on the back for it kinda has me trying to decide whether he's obnoxious town that scum are trying to goad on and buddy by calling funny to get a mislynch on me or if he's just scum.

I'm leaning 'just scum' though. I think he was faking the reaction to vorkuta in pretending like he was going to rewrite his whole reads list and his push on me while I had stuff come up is opportunistic af.

VOTE: schadd

YES

This is more of what I'm talking about. the confidence level here seems fake.

And this is what I mean with the meme too. It's day 1 and I had a busy week so apparently that means his scumread on me is so strong that he's going to abandon the hope of working with the person you're focusing on?

Like I have made shitposty memes as part of pushes before... On like day 4 when I have total confidence th slot is scum. I wouldn't make one to get a read on a player because if I was wrong then the player is probably going to lose objectivity. I don't feel objective about schadd because right now I more feel while he is still alive in the game I don't really want to do anything other than lynch him. This is what it means to do a bad faith push and that's why I don't think town does aggressive tunnely memes like that day 1. I don't feel like he actually is thinking about my slot, he is thinking about how he looks pushing my slot.

I have no history with schadd that's relevant to how I'm reading the meme; I'm talking about the thought process behind making the meme and the decision to do so on day 1. I think making memes can be ti but not in this circumstance.

i love confrontation + for a moment you looked like generic scum doubling down to me which would be super great as id just have to win the 1v1 for today which is ez

im worried you're trying to keep me an unresolved 1v1 : (

vanity voting me with the assumption i won't vote you back (as scum)

your slot needs to die

VOTE: schadd

there is no reason town you wants to generate this much wifom about my vote, I felt pretty angry when I voted you over the weekend and I didn't want to just sit on that without reevaluating when I cooled down but it seems like you just want to goad me not sort me

I feel like schadd's posts make me angry, so while I'm very confident he's scum there's another part of me that feels like I'm not approaching him objectively. He's probably scum, but there's a very small chance we just have a really big playstyle conflict. Performer just reads like scum to me and there's not so much emotion involved.

its felt for a while like the only evidence that dp's posts are real thoughts that hes having in the moment are the confident / authoritative way he presents them

like its been boilerplate "i think this is fake. theres no reason u would think that. this is opportunistic." punctuated by "die scum fucka you everybody explain to me why theyre not voting this slot RIGHT now."

I mean for you to be town you have to be highly manipulative town. Personally I think it's fucking rich that nomnomnom tried to case me for not interacting with her when last night we were both doing the exact same thing--trying to make sense of N_M's slot. If she was town I think maybe she would have noticed that there was a multi-colored distraction for 1 of the 2 days she has been in the game?

I actually keep thinking I might be wrong on you, but posts like this don't make that any easier.

Like if you're town I feel like you're approaching my slot more like you want an easy lynch rather than you really have a lot of conviction in your read one way or the other, but you also seem to like being hard to understand almost as much as N_M does

Hey nomnom what's your read of schadd?

Like a third of his ISO (and arguably half of his word count) is dedicated to trying to get your face.
He has the mad hypertunnel hots for you, and while I get that he's an alt and not a newbie, I still really want to make the claim that this is textbook distancing & bussing 101
If he was any decent and convincing and we actually got the schadd_ lynch on D1, he'd've raked in all of the big-boy townie points and coasted for the win.

I reread him (and deciphered the pika pika pika pika speak) immediately after the flip and it's my impression that the ^ was his game plan (while ofc waiting for a doctor to die)

interestingly, I felt that dp somewhat tunneled me too...why would you bring up schadd over me

[Vorkuta]

why.

You know when some people tell you to move on that you should just move on?
Yeah.