Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:25 am
FWIW, I would not pay that much attention to claims at this point, I think the solve is fairly simple from actually looking at the game. Should I lay out a case?
I guess this and the posts surrounding it?In post 1518, MariaR wrote:I guess I'll wait for the others but I'm trying to see what the world is with only 1 of beeboy/Titus scum.
If beeboy is scum and titus is town we had 3 ways of killing scum
If titus is scum and beeboy is town scum had a vig and no way of knowing about a cop/tracker that we're aware of.
Both of these seem pretty reachy
In post 1491, MariaR wrote:I can see a world with Titus/Beeboy with Titus not wanting me to track her but if that was the case scum already knew I tracked Titus n1 so I wouldn't be able to do it again.
In post 1511, MariaR wrote:I was roleblocked Titus don't know what else to tell you. Roleblocker some kind of rolestopper I don't know. But at the moment the most logical scum team to me is you+beeboy
In post 1518, MariaR wrote:I guess I'll wait for the others but I'm trying to see what the world is with only 1 of beeboy/Titus scum.
If beeboy is scum and titus is town we had 3 ways of killing scum
If titus is scum and beeboy is town scum had a vig and no way of knowing about a cop/tracker that we're aware of.
Both of these seem pretty reachy
These were her posts with regard to titus I was referencingIn post 1584, MariaR wrote:Titus if I was scum all I'd do is guilty you and then win off the ml. Sadly I'm town so this game isn't as easy.
In post 1210, Titus wrote:Me. If you had a vig pool of 3 players, who would you pick?In post 1209, MariaR wrote:This is part where I'm supposed tp post updated content but I don't have much to give. Who wants to bounce some ideas off
In post 1375, Titus wrote:MariaR, what are your reads? Who would you leash me to? Do you feel mastina is correct in that Panzer is scum? Why is your vote still on Ari?
In post 1379, Titus wrote:I want everyone on record. I am going to likely follow what the conftown say. Getting everyone on record gives people an opportunity to persuade conftown and gives associatives. So if you could answer your hypothetical vig pool, that would be great.In post 1376, MariaR wrote:Why me Titus? Need a helping hand?
My vote was still on Ari purely because I forgot to be honest. Panzer could be scum but that read is more in relation to my own role more than anything else given I like the Tipsy push.
Go on about the Panzer could be scum. I think he's a scared opportunist.
In post 1382, Titus wrote:Suppose that I am wearing my dunce cap. Refresh my recollection.In post 1381, MariaR wrote:Aww I was silently wishing you were asking me because you townread me.
pedit: It's not bastard, you should be able to get at what I'm hinting at though.
For the future, unless I am frustrated, I ask more open ended questions to my null and scumreads unless I need everyone on record. I use tailored questions with townreads to persuade or scumreads to make a point.
In post 1385, Titus wrote:Why can't Panzer be scum and beeboy be your counter?In post 1384, MariaR wrote:Although, that makes me think only 1 of Panzer/beeboy are probably scum because the counter to my role would be beeboy
In post 1390, Titus wrote:In post 1389, MariaR wrote:I'm tempted to claim to help clear up my beeboy/Panzer theory but I'd only feel comfortable if I got help solving them/we did something about it. Scum may already know my roleMastina, Chemist please comment
Based on the KPN, I would recommend sorting this out. We're lynching Panzer and I am leashed to vig beeboy.
In post 1395, Titus wrote:Ok, I gave Chemist a gun. He needs to be watched actually. This is regardless of who I am leashed to. Chemist needs to be protected. I had to make a choice between him and mastina. Since mastina has floated shooting me, I picked Chemist.In post 1393, MariaR wrote:Yeah I still get my results if beeboy dies at nightIn post 1392, Titus wrote:If beeboy dies at night, do you get your results in the PT that night?In post 1391, MariaR wrote:Okay so, I'm in a pt with beeboy/Shiro
My role is a tracker+watcher combo. I watch/track my combo but my results must be posted in that pt. If they both die I lose my powers. There's also something else that makes no sense in claiming.
If so, you could track and watch me. That would prevent scum from roleblocking me. You might also watch chemist.
This is why I said Creature's calculations are off. He wasn't factoring in another town killing.
I would have held off but I don't think I am living longer.
In post 1419, Titus wrote:My gun giving is a day action.In post 1418, PJ. wrote:Is this what you are referring to? How is this at all conclusive and not just more performative bullshit. Totally right in switching to just skimming and not actually reading this trash.Whenever the mod shows up, they should PM Chemist with a notification of my gift.Originally I wanted Chemist to keep quiet as I had no way to protect him. With MariaR's claim, she can watch Chemist to ensure no one stops him without claiming scum.
It leaves scum, assuming they have a roleblocker with four scenarios.
First, roleblock Chemist. This will get scum outed because MariaR will be watching Chemist.
Second, roleblock MariaR. Town get two KPN tonight.
Third, roleblock me and claim that my audition bonus was a lie. This is by far the best scenario for scum as it sets up a mislynch. That's why I had to be a VT by then.
Fourth, scum don't have an rb or block elsewhere. Two confirmed KPN and no scum guilites. The mislynch pool narrows down dramatically. Scum probably still push me there, but it's harder given Chemist got a gun from me.
quotedump part 1 of interactions. this looks sort of legit for the most part? but not impossible to fake.In post 1462, Titus wrote:MariaR, who is scum? Someone blocked Chemist. Someone else Docced beeboy.
I know this looks terrible for me.
Both scum basically treated him like plutonium, they wouldn't touch him. beeboy through a vote on DK day 1 for being "fluffy" but it was a late end of day vote that IIRC had basically no chance of going through.In post 1783, jks wrote:There's pretty much nothing in any of the scum ISOs about Donkey Kong or TrueSoulEnergy. The names come up a couple times but that's about it. Panther and Fox mentioned him once in passing ("I am uncertain of his alignment so far, yet I sincerely hope that he is town") and beeboy voted him but switched to Shiro not that long after. It's pretty much a wash in terms of associations.
Reading MariaR's ISO makes me feel pretty good about catboi being town though. I don't think the way they were interacting together looks like scum-scum.
In post 1476, Titus wrote:Yes. I submitted chemist getting a gun and shooting beeboy. Chemist gun had to be used that night or he died. That's why I insisted you watch Chemist.In post 1475, MariaR wrote:I just wanna confirm something really quick.
@Titus you shot beeboy and you're sure chemist got a gun correct?
In post 1486, Titus wrote:It's probably beeboy plus MariaR or beeboy plus mod fuck up. I don't see two roleblockers as a possibility. Beeboy was likely doctored.
I know my lynch is likely required. I don't like it though. I still won't be in lylo which is why I made myself a VT anyway.
In post 1510, Titus wrote:My role pm doesn't explicitly say. If you were roleblocked, Chemist being roleblocked makes no sense.In post 1507, MariaR wrote:Would Chem die if he was roleblocked with the vig?
If you're town, the mod forgot to tell Chemist about the day vig condition which is bastard modding. So he held and died.
Of course, my action was a day action the mod resolved at the end of the phase and didn't tell me.
Doesn't seem fake? I don't think, anyway.In post 1512, Titus wrote:Great, then let's lynch beeboy together. The remarkable thing is we don't have to trust each other and it nets us a scum. If beeboy flips bulletproof, then my claim gets some validation.In post 1511, MariaR wrote:I was roleblocked Titus don't know what else to tell you. Roleblocker some kind of rolestopper I don't know. But at the moment the most logical scum team to me is you+beeboy
In post 1583, Titus wrote:OOYAMA NOBUYO is my flavor.
We resolved the mystery of where my shot went. We still have MariaR's claim of being roleblocked and Creature's shot not going through.
I struggle with both solutions. On one hand, Chemist being roleblocked and MariaR lying is the simplest solution.
Yet, MariaR's result would have implicated me resulting in a mislynch. Then scum would mislynch her for lying about the results. So why block MariaR at all? Of course if MariaR is scum, claiming that I honestly visited Chemist against my will results in her lynch anyway after mine. So there is a scum incentive to claiming blocked.
Even with that confusion, that still leaves the question of where Chemist's shot went. Given the macho modifier, we likely have a doctor/jailkeeper of unknown alignment somewhere.
These posts after beeboy dies and we start day 4 are less good. Suddenly seems somewhat protective of Titus.In post 1585, Titus wrote:That's part of the problem. Why would scum block you if you would have seen me going to Chemist? You'd claim an honest guilty. UnlessIn post 1584, MariaR wrote:Titus if I was scum all I'd do is guilty you and then win off the ml. Sadly I'm town so this game isn't as easy.
Mod: Would beeboy's ability, if used, be visible to a tracker/watcher?
In post 1621, Titus wrote:HURT: MariaR
I am resting based off setup spec that MariaR is town. Now that she's basically a VT, she's a good audition bonus for macho. Offer scum a VT kill guaranteed or a gamble to shoot a PR.
In post 1681, Titus wrote:HURT: catboiMariaR not voting Ari is odd. Her flail doesn't look like townflail.
And these posts I don't like at all. Second just looks fake.In post 1684, Titus wrote:Supposing MariaR is scum, then if she does not flip roleblocker, we can infer the last scum is a roleblocker.
We can further eliminate anyone with a proven role.
I had the same thought, I just wound up dropping it when maria was outed although I don't know that I should have. And in actuality maria pointing out that he slipped now makes it look definitely plannedIn post 1792, jks wrote:Reading 1512 reminds me...
When beeboy bumbled his fake-claim, my first instinct was that it was actually planned. I think at the time it was between Titus and beeboy? I don't remember which way people were thinking of voting at the time (I think Titus maybe?), but then beeboy came out with a ridiculous fake-claim that ended up having nothing to do with his actual role and he somehow missed the fact that there'd only been two night phases so far. I remember briefly thinking overnight that he did that as a way to pave a path for victory for Titus since one of them was going down and at least him flipping would provide something for Titus to work off due to his role.
I should probably go back and read how that went down again.
Yeah 100% a planned slip, Lol.In post 1536, MariaR wrote:Uhhh beeboy. You do know there's only been 2 nights correct?
It was giving Chemist the gun.In post 1795, jks wrote:Has Titus claimed what non-audition power she has? I can't find it anywhere if she has.