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[Flavor Leaf]

Battle Mage is setting up to change their claim too.

Wait BM claimed VT too?

yes. right before NPOM did.

[Rannygazoo]

I'm fine with being elimmed tomorrow if OutWorldER flips town.

What does this mean? Is it a scum claim? Two more miselims and scum wins.

lol come on Ranny, it's fairly obvious what it means.

It means you’re scum or you’re willing to give the game to scum if it doesn’t go your way.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm not saying they're mechanically related, I'm saying it's possible you're using a townie's death to validate your claim. The fact that andres can't back up your claim for you makes me second guess you. Probability indicates you are telling the truth, but it just seems like a strange string of events to me.

it doesnt validate my claim though, does it? If i hadnt been neighbourised, I'd be vanilla. Because I was neighbourised, I'm vanilla with a PT. what difference does it make?? of course he can't validate the claim - he is dead - he couldn't validate the claim of whoever he neighbourised. Are you saying you would have second guessed anyone who claimed to be the target? because that's what your stance implies, and it's frankly ridiculous.

here's once

[Flavor Leaf]

i wish i hadnt claimed vanilla, or this wouldve been a great game to eat an NK in

[MathBlade]

Battle Mage is setting up to change their claim too.

Then let them.

At this point mass claim is kinda required.

Pretty much it’s NPOM or Outer and scum have to make a stand here

[NoPowerOverMe]

i claim VT...just kidding.

[Flavor Leaf]

however, Battle Mage can attest, I'm always down for a good mass claim.

haha yes!

I can kick off - I'm a Neighbour (formerly VT) - thanks to our deceased comrade Andres

[Titus]

it's like blatantly Battle Mage and NPOM, math

Then let’s see if we can get a “third” by me being an “idiot”. If you’re right another player will have to agree as I have told Ranny not to vote and to be hammers.

What do you mean? If titus votes NPOM, he's at E-1. He isn't going to hammer. Stop blowing smoke.

Correct. Outer won’t be hammered either because Ranny won’t hammer until people have voted.

If anyone else hammers we know scum on those wagons.

Scum have to pick NPOM or Outer and they’re being forced to.

Then we can establish if NPOM is town or a scum proper or a scum bus and have much narrower worlds

Scum have to pick.

Or they can stick their hands up their butts.

We take NPOM

They'll have to shoot you and Ranny. Outer bodyguards.

Battle Mage then gets flipped.

They have to shoot you Ranny Outer

Which leaves us in a hell of a good position with a miselimination to spare.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

[Titus]

@Battle Mage,

Why should I be deferring to your belief in the accuracy of NPOM's claim but not the accuracy of Outer's?

[Flavor Leaf]

leash Outer to Mathblade. Any shenanigans happen, fade Outer.

[Titus]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

I wish that were true.

[MathBlade]

it's like blatantly Battle Mage and NPOM, math

Then let’s see if we can get a “third” by me being an “idiot”. If you’re right another player will have to agree as I have told Ranny not to vote and to be hammers.

What do you mean? If titus votes NPOM, he's at E-1. He isn't going to hammer. Stop blowing smoke.

Correct. Outer won’t be hammered either because Ranny won’t hammer until people have voted.

If anyone else hammers we know scum on those wagons.

Scum have to pick NPOM or Outer and they’re being forced to.

Then we can establish if NPOM is town or a scum proper or a scum bus and have much narrower worlds

Scum have to pick.

Or they can stick their hands up their butts.

We take NPOM

They'll have to shoot you and Ranny. Outer bodyguards.

Battle Mage then gets flipped.

They have to shoot you Ranny Outer

Which leaves us in a hell of a good position with a miselimination to spare.

Scum not voting here or stating a read would be a conf scum claim here

[Battle Mage]

haha ok ok I think it's probably just Titus-Flavor Leaf-OutWorldER here.

So here's what we do:

We elim OutWorldER today

If OWER flips town, you flip me (I will literally self-vote, it's all good). And obviously if you buy into the theory I'm scum with NPOM, you could flip him straight after me.

If OWER flips scum, we flip Flavor Leaf/Titus tomorrow (and then the other one on the next day).

[Battle Mage]

I can't see why anybody wouldn't get on board with that, if they scumread me, or townread me.

[Rannygazoo]

The thing is, I really don’t trust Outer, and when Math or I die, they can easily just say they were body guarding the other one.

[NoPowerOverMe]

makes sense to me.

[Titus]

everyone else claimed vanilla? interesting.

So I will go out on a limb and say:

I believe the NPOM claim. I don't believe the Outer claim.

No one else has officially claimed.

You're not going out on a limb at all. You're basically obvscumming.

You believe a liar who lied under pressure but don't believe a bodyguard when its the only protective claimed?

If you're town, you should just defer to my reads on this

No.

I do defer and work with people more than I used to but this is too far.

If you have a PR that explains the difference, it's time to out it.

[MathBlade]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

No. I am not trying to live.

I play each day as if I am dead the next one.

I really think it’s Outer and Alch and FL or Titus here.

But by forcing wagons I can see if Titus’s case has merit and by giving Ranny hammers it literally removes stupid me from the equation.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm just trying to find something.

Math keeps saying scum have to do take a stand, but they're pushing the 3 who were on NPOM yesterday as well, so they're basically just arguing positions where they get to choose what they want either way.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

No. I am not trying to live.

I play each day as if I am dead the next one.

I really think it’s Outer and Alch and FL or Titus here.

But by forcing wagons I can see if Titus’s case has merit and by giving Ranny hammers it literally removes stupid me from the equation.

IT IS MY CASE

MY CASE HAS MERIT

JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SEE THAT I AM TOWN DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT ME CASING NPOM CORRECTLY

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm just trying to find something.

Math keeps saying scum have to do take a stand, but they're pushing the 3 who were on NPOM yesterday as well, so they're basically just arguing positions where they get to choose what they want either way.

Yeah it's called having a majority. Also, FL/Titus/OWER are more interested in defending each other than scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

No. I am not trying to live.

I play each day as if I am dead the next one.

I really think it’s Outer and Alch and FL or Titus here.

But by forcing wagons I can see if Titus’s case has merit and by giving Ranny hammers it literally removes stupid me from the equation.

I think it's FL + Titus dude, with Alch-town, but we can afford 1 mis-elim later on if needed.

[Titus]

Like, Math, you're trying to live, right?

Outer targets you tonight, boom.

You automatically live or Outer is conf scum.

No. I am not trying to live.

I play each day as if I am dead the next one.

I really think it’s Outer and Alch and FL or Titus here.

But by forcing wagons I can see if Titus’s case has merit and by giving Ranny hammers it literally removes stupid me from the equation.

IT IS MY CASE

MY CASE HAS MERIT

JUST BECAUSE YOU CANT SEE THAT I AM TOWN DOES NOT MEAN IT IS NOT ME CASING NPOM CORRECTLY

Just help me find the third and pass the credit to me. Then we win. Then you can gloat in post game about how good a player you are. Credit does nothing right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Math - you're being buddied, and the pudding is on the wall already. See it.