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In post 1774, clidd wrote:Hum, what reflected you as towny from him?

His approach to dk when dk tried to claim mason was the towniest by far and after dk flipped green that solidified that read on him. Also I've liked his analysis he appears to be solving the game. Yeah that can be faked, but it feels genuine to me anyway.

Ok, and what makes you think that Flea is scum?

In post 1776, clidd wrote:Ok, and what makes you think that Flea is scum?

You are psuedo confirmed, Jim and Egix are likely town. That leaves Flea, bugspray, and gerain. Gerain doesn't make sense with flea because flea has been pushing on him since yesterday. Bugspray could be his partner I guess, but came out voting gerain today. So, Flea + bugspray.

Alright, thanks.

In post 1742, bugspray wrote:gerain I have voted cook, your entire post is predicated on a lie
VOTE: gerain that mgiht be yeet1

Bugspray, did anything change in your view of Gera after the last sequence of posts?

In post 1729, Flea The Magician wrote:You're doing nothing to try and advance the game state gerain, you're just quite happy chilling.

If you want a case on me, go make one. It's as simple as that. Doesn't matter how bad it is, be productive.

In post 1739, Flea The Magician wrote:If PoE is your case on me, that's amazing.

Simply because

I can pull a much better scumcase on myself

Gerain and Egix possibly don't have equity together, but you know something, I'm going to OMGUS and come back later.

VOTE: Egix

Simply because 1)I'm still inside my PoE. 2)I disagree with your reads, especially on Lotus who sits just outside my PoE. 3) I think you know something I don't.

I would like to see what you're seeing on Egix when you get back, Flea.

My solve rn depends on my impression of {Bug, Egix and Flea}.

Gera can be solved by PoE according to the conclusion of the set above ^

RLotus and Jim are town.

gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.
this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

In post 1781, clidd wrote:My solve rn depends on my impression of {Bug, Egix and Flea}.

If it came down to these three, I would vote for them in this order: Flea, Egix, Bug.

In post 1782, bugspray wrote:gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof

but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.

this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

@mod can we get a vc?[/vote]

So why vote him for it?

Trying to go through everyone's reads to make sense of it

Clidd has
Rlotus/jim hawkins town
Bugspray/Egic/Flea scum
me lean scum

Rlotus has
Clidd/Jim Hawkins/Egix as town
me as lean scum
Flea/Bugspray scum

Bugspray is weird

Has me and Flea as scum
Egix lean scum
but also in 1726 has Flea as town

Jim Hawkins has

Flea, Egix, Bugspray as scum
and voted me

Flea
Rlotus as town
Jim hawkins as null
me as scum
voted for egix

Egix

has Jim hawkins and clidd as town
Rlotus lean town
me lean scum
bugspray and flea as scum

If anyone wants to correct my readings of people's opinions, then please do.

I am going to VOTE: Bugspray
i think Rlotus could have switched to me today if they had really wanted to and get an elimination, but they have held off. bugspray seems inconsistent in their posts today, i've never liked their vote history

In post 1782, bugspray wrote:gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.
this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

@mod can we get a vc?[/vote]

What's your take on Egix?

In post 1783, Jim Hawkins wrote:

In post 1781, clidd wrote:My solve rn depends on my impression of {Bug, Egix and Flea}.

If it came down to these three, I would vote for them in this order: Flea, Egix, Bug.

Do you think Gera is more towny than these three?

What's your individual view of each one?

In post 1785, Egix96 wrote:

In post 1782, bugspray wrote:gerain's argument about vote coutns relies on the assumption that people will behave in a predictable way in general and i don't think that applies here because of how erratic mafiascum users are compared to the general population and also i consider any scumhunting strategy based on math without some kind of strong feeling not even has to be rigourous or even semi rigours proof

but like i just do not buy the argument but i believe it's overall nai.

this late into the game i would expect town!gerain to be townier and would be willing to put my vote between {gerain,flea}

@mod can we get a vc?[/vote]

So why vote him for it?

Where's your solve, Egix?

Why are you voting Flea?

In post 1786, geraintm wrote:Trying to go through everyone's reads to make sense of it

Clidd has
Rlotus/jim hawkins town
Bugspray/Egic/Flea scum
me lean scum

Rlotus has
Clidd/Jim Hawkins/Egix as town
me as lean scum
Flea/Bugspray scum

Bugspray is weird

Has me and Flea as scum
Egix lean scum
but also in 1726 has Flea as town

Jim Hawkins has

Flea, Egix, Bugspray as scum
and voted me

Flea
Rlotus as town
Jim hawkins as null
me as scum
voted for egix

Egix

has Jim hawkins and clidd as town
Rlotus lean town
me lean scum
bugspray and flea as scum

If anyone wants to correct my readings of people's opinions, then please do.

I am going to VOTE: Bugspray
i think Rlotus could have switched to me today if they had really wanted to and get an elimination, but they have held off. bugspray seems inconsistent in their posts today, i've never liked their vote history

Don't you think that RLotus was towny besides his vote?

I don't get it why you're using these reasons as AI. Scum can unvote too, not just town. Considering that you're a LHF (if you're town),scum didn't even need to push you today, as long as they keep you around to ELO and then push you there for the win.

Your reasoning feels very fake, but I intend to check your slot by PoE, as I mentioned before.

We have 24 hours guys, don't forget to post.

Loving my slide from everyone saying I'm town to I'm now in everyones PoE.

RLotus sits below Jim in my reads list.

I don't believe Gerain has scum-equity with Egix, but I won't rule it out either.

I feel we definitely hit scum in one of those two.

VCA from D1 and D2 as well as on-going interactions.

V/LA end date isn't accurate, because frankly if I pain flare that long I'd be in a hospital and would just play high lol.

In post 1790, clidd wrote:
Don't you think that RLotus was towny besides his vote?

I don't get it why you're using these reasons as AI. Scum can unvote too, not just town. Considering that you're a LHF (if you're town),scum didn't even need to push you today, as long as they keep you around to ELO and then push you there for the win.

Your reasoning feels very fake, but I intend to check your slot by PoE, as I mentioned before.

i actually had Rlotus as lean scum from their voting. why going through today was important and neseccary. i think Rlotus as scum could have pushed a successful elimination of me today (and i know i am not a top priority for scum, but i am 90% sure scum would have settled for an easy elimination of me to get to 5 players/2 scum).

In post 1753, MiniMegabyte wrote:

Vote Count 4.5

Flea The Magician (2):

Egix96, RLotus

E-2

Geraintm (2):

Jim Hawkins, Bugspray

E-2

Egix96 (1):

Flea The Magician

Not Voting (3):

nopointinactingup, geraintm, Bugspray

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate

Day Four Ends In:

(expired on 2021-02-14 06:13:00)

this is the bit where i think scum Rlotus could have got me eliminated. i had 2 votes on me and Flea has been itching to vote me. Rlotus, if they were scum, i think could have easily fabricated a case against me.

please don't focus too much on my methods (which you have done today), just see if where i end up and if it makes sense.
i am trying to be as clear about my thinking as i can, i am not trying to misrepresent my logic at all. if you really want to get into it i can try and explain myself better, but we are (maybe) getting close to deadline and wasting time arguing how i am arriving at decisions isn't too helpful i dont think. but that's just my view.

In post 1789, clidd wrote: Where's your solve, Egix?

Why are you voting Flea?

I put it here but I'll try and put it in some more detail:

- Hawkins is likely town due to interactions with Cook, since I can't really see someone whom I'm seeing as needing to depend on partners (due to Hawkins having little thread presence) to bus the scum roleblocker on Day 1. (See my note on 822 in 1564)

- Lotus is town for having fairly good interactions with Cook overall, also I have town feels from posts such as 712, 528.

- Geraint I feel has good tone in his general posting - might not sound like a lot, I know, but I do feel like he has been posting in a very genuine manner. Examples: 860, 992.

- bugspray had good early interactions with Cook, but since then has pushed hard against a few slots which are either now dead town, or ones I believe to be town.

- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

In post 1794, Egix96 wrote:- For Flea, I mainly don't have as much in favour of fae being town as I do for the rest, though I do think that posts such as 829, 1007 were scummy.

You funny.

Geraintm has just voted for both RLotus and Bugspray, neither of which had any other votes at the time. It almost reads like diversion to see if a wagon will pick up. The only other wagon this could be diverting from would be Flea.

VOTE: Flea The Magician
You are at E-1. Say what you need to.

In post 1796, Jim Hawkins wrote:Geraintm has just voted for both RLotus and Bugspray, neither of which had any other votes at the time. It almost reads like diversion to see if a wagon will pick up. The only other wagon this could be diverting from would be Flea.

VOTE: Flea The Magician
You are at E-1. Say what you need to.

oh, i am very willful with my votes and vote my way. they aren't distraction votes, just what i think i should be doing.

Hammer away, my reads have been shit hot this game.

Solve is in Geraintm(>90%), Egix(>95%) and RLotus(>70%).

VOTE: Gerain

Seeing as we're at the wire.