I find it laughable you think Archer is proposing a fantasy when their view of the game seems very rational and in line with my own thoughtsIn post 1725, Servant Rider wrote:You're so deep into this fantasy of yours that I don't really think you're worth the effort of salvation.
I feel as though this same argument can be applied to me as well, especially considering my 855 came before your 901, and had all of Beast, Avenger, Moon Cancer, and Saber explained as some sort of scum read.In post 1774, Servant Archer wrote:So, I mean, I feel like I have at least somewhat of a solid grasp of the game state this game. So it feels a bit odd to be talked about as though I am just a lost townie -- whether you agree with my current read or not.
To which original Berserker even admitted to have enjoyed reading through and I would not be surprised if my wall played into the slots they were looking to push and eliminate, seeing as how at least three (Avenger, Moon Cancer, and Saber) ended up being on the chopping block for elimination.In post 1066, Servant Berserker wrote:Caster, your disappearance is incredibly unnerving and I need to see more things from you ASAP.
Archer and Lancer are still town, Ruler is town, alter is town. Shielder is town.
Rider is leaning town, I quite enjoyed their wall. Caster disappearing is concerning.
In post 1093, Servant Foreigner wrote:0 reason to claim this as town. Townie would be more paranoid about revealing powers. Avenger got scared that after saber flips and someone notices that he used this ability, we will notice that he has to be scum for having the same power as flipped townie.In post 1039, Servant Avenger wrote:Let's put it this way though, how often are millers dealt with?
More than not. I personally think that the general meta should be Miller claims do not make MyLo unless confirmed town.
I also think that a vig should always shoot a miller claim regardless of what has happened. Therefore, it's actually a stupid play from scum to claim (hence why the meta should remain regardless).
I don't survive to end game, and I'm not going to be pushing back on that later.
I have 2 additional roles though, 1 is either for or against scum (and low key ironic for me to get), and 1 is anti scum in this setup.
Both of these are also provable, the first at any point in the day and the second at the end of the day.
Here's some food for thought though, and I've been thinking this over for the last day to if I should say or not, and I've decided I want to since Lancer and Foreigner are shading and most likely contain 1-2 scum.
In addition, my power up power thing is the same Sabres. Originally I read Sabres comment as it's better late game, and that is my view on it.
So my thoughts here are
A) if anyone else at all has this power, then its plausible to be town or at least irrelevant to thought right now and I think Sabre is town anyway.
B) if only me and Sabre have this power then it's likely 1 of us is scum and 1 of us is town. Obviously in this situation, I would claim the town.
If its A, I'm probably going to use my first power on Foreigner if the votes are not going there.
Which, once again, with Avenger being on the chopping block for elimination, gives him plenty of motivation to want to gladiate Foreigner with a 1v1 as scum.In post 1095, Annie Edison wrote:Yeah, I clocked that too foreigner. We will deal with them next flip.
I don’t think either of these flip scumIn post 1741, Servant Caster wrote:I would be happy with an Avenger or Beast flip at this moment in time.
Yeah, but I don't really get the feeling that your grasp on this game is that great.In post 1779, Servant Berserker wrote:I find it laughable you think Archer is proposing a fantasy when their view of the game seems very rational and in line with my own thoughtsIn post 1725, Servant Rider wrote:You're so deep into this fantasy of yours that I don't really think you're worth the effort of salvation.
@Rider, only if you're town tho. If you're scum I'll stop nagging you to get a better read.In post 1006, Servant Beast wrote:Also, just as a general request, I'd prefer if I wasn't another casualty to the "must be one scum, one town pairing" fallacy.
Why do you think I'm gaslighting you?In post 1785, Servant Berserker wrote:I would say my perspective is more emblematic of the general consensus, and I’m also confirmed town, so do you really want to try gaslighting me?
Depends on how relevant they are IMOIn post 1752, Servant Beast wrote:Would it be a good idea to share my abilities or at least some of the relevant ones @Berserker? @Shielder?
hmm. somewhat relevant, but my abilities still have use even with Saber dead. I could do a partial reveal of the relevant portions.In post 1788, Servant Berserker wrote:Depends on how relevant they are IMOIn post 1752, Servant Beast wrote:Would it be a good idea to share my abilities or at least some of the relevant ones @Berserker? @Shielder?
I think you’re gaslighting me because you’re trying to suggest I shouldn’t trust myself. As for being more emblematic, it means our thought processes are shared by even more people than just us, and as such if you want to say we’re wrong you have a lot of people to convince.In post 1787, Servant Rider wrote:Why do you think I'm gaslighting you?In post 1785, Servant Berserker wrote:I would say my perspective is more emblematic of the general consensus, and I’m also confirmed town, so do you really want to try gaslighting me?
What do you mean more emblematic of the general consensus?
If you're trying to say that you are the direct reason we have two flipped scum, I would say no. I would say it was more your predecessor and the actions of other players around you, and that you mostly just inherited the slot because notscience posted on the wrong account. I don't even think you were on the final Saber wagon.
Just because you are in agreement with someone else doesn't mean either of you two are right.
That seems to be part of it but I say gaslighting because that’s pretty much the only recourse scum have to work around conftown, is to make them doubt their own thoughts and feelings. Maybe he’s town doing it but the follow-up I just responded to makes that feel less likelyIn post 1790, Servant Beast wrote:I don't think he's gas lighting you so much as that he's using an ad hominem on you.
You’re literally saying that I wasn’t a factor in the scum flips and that I’m essentially resting on notsci’s laurels. That’s ad hominem.
I don't think you understand what gaslighting means.In post 1791, Servant Berserker wrote:I think you’re gaslighting me because you’re trying to suggest I shouldn’t trust myself. As for being more emblematic, it means our thought processes are shared by even more people than just us, and as such if you want to say we’re wrong you have a lot of people to convince.In post 1787, Servant Rider wrote:Why do you think I'm gaslighting you?In post 1785, Servant Berserker wrote:I would say my perspective is more emblematic of the general consensus, and I’m also confirmed town, so do you really want to try gaslighting me?
What do you mean more emblematic of the general consensus?
If you're trying to say that you are the direct reason we have two flipped scum, I would say no. I would say it was more your predecessor and the actions of other players around you, and that you mostly just inherited the slot because notscience posted on the wrong account. I don't even think you were on the final Saber wagon.
Just because you are in agreement with someone else doesn't mean either of you two are right.
I wouldn’t say I directly caused any scum to be eliminated but I took a deliberate course of not using my vote as an influence Day 1 and instead simply speaking my thoughts. I also don’t think your current attitude of trying to besmirch me for not voting out scum is a good look.
The truth hurts. Doesn't make it any less true.In post 1794, Servant Berserker wrote:You’re literally saying that I wasn’t a factor in the scum flips and that I’m essentially resting on notsci’s laurels. That’s ad hominem.
Why would I be grumpy?In post 1795, Servant Beast wrote:I condescend a lot at people that push me when I'm town though. It's a bad habit and bad play, but I do it frequently enough that I just sit in the "could come from either" camp, camp.
I do think Rider is fairly grumpy even though we're winning though. But I think foreigner or Avenger probably has at least 1 scum in it.