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In post 1774, Spiffeh wrote:notty you've mentioned a few times that you think scum could be hiding behind null-reading LLD or something because of her posting style but I don't necessarily agree because I currently don't really have a read on her and I can understand if others are having the same challenge.

Who do you feel are the players that fit that category?

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In post 1774, Spiffeh wrote:notty you've mentioned a few times that you think scum could be hiding behind null-reading LLD or something because of her posting style but I don't necessarily agree because I currently don't really have a read on her and I can understand if others are having the same challenge.

Who do you feel are the players that fit that category?

I'm rereading right now because I couldn't remember exactly who was doing it but I remembered a lot of excuses around it. I'm on page 32 (note im skimming bc its a lot) and the main culprit I've seen is manatee.

Titus didn't believe it was legitimate and tried to call it as a bluff but then retracted it after seeing Niamh's post, and that felt like a really awkward series of events. Like, I struggle to understand why that is a tactic from scum LLD who does just fine posting in a variety of ways.

I'm still taking notes and will draft up my conclusions in a bit, but that's kinda where my head is at now.

Like, this is going to sound weird but I found myself townreading LLD more when she was scum in games because of the things she was saying like tonally. But there's no real tone here, and I feel like there's decent solving coming from her.

Does that make sense?

In post 898, Sleez wrote:I don't want you to defend them. I'm not really defending Medea either. I don't townread their behavior and have shown I would vote them. I need a different angle from you two then just AtE AtE AtE.

Rereading this section, you're tarring me with the "AtE AtE AtE" brush but most of my interactions and commentary about them have nothing to do with AtE. I snarked back at Cabd's 2 posts, and moved on. It's a sore point for Bell, and he's not going to move on until they've produced more content.

In post 899, Sleez wrote:

In post 894, Here There Be Dragons wrote:

In post 890, Sleez wrote:

In post 889, Here There Be Dragons wrote:yours, i mean.

don't think you're ever going to like me.

Is that feeling mutual? I'm asking because I don't know where you become comfortable. My impression is that you're not and it impedes you. I think this is merely because you're not town but surely you have a right to defend yourself.

I do feel as though I'm going to have trouble meshing with your playstyle as well, yes, but I'm not allowing that to become a scumread at this time as it seems like a style issue. You're brusque and I have some trouble tracking your thought processes.

I don't feel uncomfortable. uncertainty is something I live with (being assured is at baseline a scumtell for me, but i know that most players in this game are aware of that, so if i were scum i would probably manufacture uncertainty anyway). I can see why it would come off as scummy to someone who isn't used to me, that's a common experience when i venture outside playing with people who know me.

At first, I thought you were an alt of someone who knows the players in this game, but it's increasingly seeming like that isn't the case, so I'm still figuring out what your deal is.

Yes I am completely detached from this group. It is odd to deal with at times so I have to go with what I know.

You speak on your uncertainty so could you at least tell me what you're so uncertain about? Unless you mean it instinctively comes from yourself and that's how I should be reading it.

I found the sleez, Bell!

I've reread up to the point where the alternate wincon change was announced.

Got pissed off all over again at medea, and calmed down all over again, too.

Found a few things from sleez that hit me a little differently knowing it's unwnd, but I don't know if it's significant, how he was approaching the shards earlier.

And rereading and trying to focus more on lukewarm, I want a lot of reasoning from medea regarding how their lukewarm read here bears similar weight to their bell read in the smokefilled game.

Because I'm not seeing it.

lukewarm, your doorstop has arrived.

I don't like Spiffeh is the right elimination.

My readrate on him is not stellar, but I digress

@notty I think the lack of tone that you mentioned is the main culprit for many players' non-reads of LLD, and while I agree she has been providing content and was responsive to my questions from my brief interaction with I don't think it's out of the ordinary to not really have a read on her given her way of communicating involves less words and for me at least less words=less content=harder to read.

But do your thing I am like the last one who wants to stifle more discussion but I struggle to see what will be accomplished from your endeavor.

What are your thoughts on Pooky? I voted him briefly but felt the vote would be useless because it wouldn't gain traction and he would probably just say something sassy and ignore it (I was right!). He has done a 180 on his initial (troll?) scum read on Medea but is still voting them. From what I can tell he's reading me so I'm not sure why he wouldn't join the wagon, but at the very least I don't like that his vote is on one of his claimed town reads.

Thanks unwnd

one down eleven to go

In post 1780, Spiffeh wrote:From what I can tell he's

scum

reading me so I'm not sure why he wouldn't join the wagon, but at the very least I don't like that his vote is on one of his claimed town reads.

EBWOP

I've never been the expert reading pooky, but my two biggest things I was going off of was the parallels in my personal reaction to his early posting to Tarot, where he was town, and was sitting on that for a solid bit. I followed that up with 811 and that felt like a pretty solid take at the time.

I'm not super sure where his head's at right now though. I have been kinda chewing on the interactions with Medea, I feel like I would have felt worse if he automatically jumped because Medea said to jump? And he did mention he's waiting to sheep.

As is I feel like his only two expressed reads thus far are town on both LLD/Medea. Iirc unwnd mentioned something about his play here matching tenet? But I wasnt ever on the same side as pooky until like the final day? (Iirc we were both day 1 stiles) so I didn't really get to experience it first hand. @unwnd can you weigh in?

I'm hedging a lot

I think unwnd might be right. I need some data to ground myself.

Aight, off Lukewarm,

I'm a doorma-doorstop now apparently.

-Bell.

Also, I will let Spiffeh live.
Though I remain extremely skeptical.

Interest check on Titus.

I'm not moving my vote off Medea until Cabd delivers me a scumbag to solidify the townread from the high 80s to 100.

Actually one of my hang ups in fully scum reading Pooky here is that he DOESN'T feel like he did in Tenet so far. In Tenet he had a strong (albeit brief) entrance of actual content (crazy I know) followed by absolutely nothing until being turnstiled to the other thread, where he again upped the content to secure the mislim on Flavor Leaf. I haven't even like any glimmers trying in this game which makes me think he doesn't have anything to be worried about?

So I too would like to hear from unwnd about him.
And on that note, assuming I'm characterizing Pooky's play in Tenet correctly, I'm curious as to why Medea is so perturbed that he hasn't done much so far. Like I get it's not ideal but is that really all that scummy for Pooky this early on?

Idk now I'm talking myself out of it. This is why I need strong town reads with strong and correct opinions to tell me what to think

Didn't you say you already sorted them?

-Bell

In post 1786, Snarky Fishes wrote:Also, I will let Spiffeh live.
Though I remain extremely skeptical.

Interest check on Titus.

Wow I am SO INCREDIBLY honored, but what changed your mind?

I'm p sure I'm right but a red flip would confirm it.

In post 1788, Spiffeh wrote:Actually one of my hang ups in fully scum reading Pooky here is that he DOESN'T feel like he did in Tenet so far. In Tenet he had a strong (albeit brief) entrance of actual content (crazy I know) followed by absolutely nothing until being turnstiled to the other thread, where he again upped the content to secure the mislim on Flavor Leaf. I haven't even like any glimmers trying in this game which makes me think he doesn't have anything to be worried about?

So I too would like to hear from unwnd about him.
And on that note, assuming I'm characterizing Pooky's play in Tenet correctly, I'm curious as to why Medea is so perturbed that he hasn't done much so far. Like I get it's not ideal but is that really all that scummy for Pooky this early on?

Idk now I'm talking myself out of it. This is why I need strong town reads with strong and correct opinions to tell me what to think

This is a good post.

-Bell.

pedit: FF asked for my help given she's slowly town reading you and likes your posts. Now, one might take this to mean that I should reassure her that you're scum, but actually she's working so hard this game that I genuinely doubt her reads are going to be worse than mine.I find the opposite a lot more likely.

fairylit where do you think we should be looking then considering you dont want either of the main wagons?

never touch
{Lady Rhea, unwnd, medea, dragons}
{pooky, AA, lukewarm}
{^v? manateegal, spiffeh}
{titus}

snapshot of ffery-head read-rethinks

I'm worried that my lowest two tiers might contain no more than 1 scum. which initiates worries of having scum in the top two tiers.

This reads list was brought to you by chronic insomnia. Bell might talk me down tomorrow.

In post 1791, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm p sure I'm right but a red flip would confirm it.

Sorry, explain?

He's BOPing cabd

Medea*

My characterization is early pooky behavior that you might not remember or even care about

My read on Pooky relies on the fact he's not being even obstructively townie right now

I am not BOPing cabd,

im metafinalizing the read because according to him he's like me in that he doesn't really believe in bussing.