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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:31 am
by SirCakez
In post 1409, Datisi wrote:i *know* my vote on cakez is unlikely to create a wagon. that's not the point.
also this is just ridiculous because Datisi was coming after me earlier for voting him without actually being able to get a wagon going
In post 1425, Fun and Games wrote:Can we like consolidate on darby / gamma now
Want the replacements but like other than tjat not sure we're getting kuch else out of today tbh
~ skitter
I don't want to lim either of these people. Maybe Gamma if we have to.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:32 am
by SirCakez
In post 1773, Datisi wrote:unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:32 am
by SirCakez
In post 1773, Datisi wrote:unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there
what claim? that you're good at scum?
I haven't seen it in first-person but I can tell a good scum player when I see one
is there someone here who would dispute that you're good at scum?
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:33 am
by Datisi
In post 1774, VP Baltar wrote: In post 1773, Datisi wrote:unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there
You saying cakez hasn't seen you as scum?
he has, he modded a jk9++ open game back in february. in which i was constantly losing my shit, lurking, and trying to skate by by doing the absolute minimum possible. it's very much not a game that leaves an impression of "good at scum"
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:33 am
by Datisi
In post 1775, SirCakez wrote: In post 1409, Datisi wrote:i *know* my vote on cakez is unlikely to create a wagon. that's not the point.
also this is just ridiculous because Datisi was coming after me earlier for voting him without actually being able to get a wagon going
I WAS CALLING YOU TOWN FOR IT
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:37 am
by SirCakez
In post 610, Datisi wrote:
your push on me is not going to get you anywhere, i think back then pretty much everyone had a positive or neutral opinion of me
*and* you attacked my sorting of ico, something which was very much regarded as "leave datisi alone and let him work his magic, for last game he successfully read ico by page 4"
like. your push on me is more tone deaf than i am irl, and that's saying something
ok I didn't get that vibe from this post
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:39 am
by Datisi
In post 471, Datisi wrote:i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do
, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)
dude
idk how to make "scum generally doesn't do a nonsense push that won't go anywhere and makes them look like shit" more clear
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:40 am
by SirCakez
In post 1485, VP Baltar wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: DArby
Feel like this is going to be the most informative yeet and I'm bored with this day.
I guess I could yeet darby based on this
there's a Dunnstral wagon cool
VOTE: Dunnstral
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:40 am
by SirCakez
In post 1781, Datisi wrote: In post 471, Datisi wrote:i think you're prob town because your push on me feels pretty tone deaf in a way that scum usually doesn't do
, plus tonally you feel fine (that is a weaker point as i am not hugely familiar with your tone as town and scum)
dude
idk how to make "scum generally doesn't do a nonsense push that won't go anywhere and makes them look like shit" more clear
ok I see
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:44 am
by VP Baltar
UNVOTE:
VOTE: gamma
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:47 am
by SirCakez
In post 1567, Gamma Emerald wrote:Well up until now my basis in this game has felt very weak so I didn’t feel like trying to press based on that was very honest.
actually I kinda don't like this as a response to skitter's reasoning
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:50 am
by Datisi
how come this vote switch happens now?
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:50 am
by Bingle
Not a complex enough setup to need one. Scum team is three goons town had three of {Jk, tracker, activated IC, 1-shot cop, 2 shot vig}, chosen by scum.
Setup design notes: independent of plist: Functionally all of those are ICs in an open, so IC is pretty much a given. JK, similarly, is disproportionately more power than the others so is a VERY unlikely inclusion. Cop favors a short game and tracker favors a long game, while vig is just high swing. I think the existence of a vig is slightly clearing for lurker slots, but not strongly so. If there is a vig, a stronger than average scum team implies cop while a weaker than average scum team implies tracker. D2 begins with a cop hypoclaim regardless of whether there’s a cop in the setup unless the cop has already flipped. (Not claimed, flipped)
I will not comment on the setup implications of the existence or non existence of the various roles on players alignments, but you can probably work it out. I wouldn’t share it because of pr/nonpr slips being likely here.
Further mech talk is probably not worth aorn.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:54 am
by SirCakez
In post 1664, Bingle wrote: In post 1662, SirCakez wrote:fuuuuck deadline is close
I will try to make some time here later today
Not as close as it looks, but yeah. It pauses at 24 hours if we have pending replacements and we currently have two, an outstanding prod, and a player due a prod in an hour. (also, skitter is due a prod if she doesn't alt slip soon, so she'd better get on that.)
With that said what do you make of Gamma the last few pages? It's pretty much the big thing that's happened since you've been away and I don't recall you talking much about Gamma one way or the other.
I'm sooo conflicted because I keep getting scum pings from certain posts but he sounds genuine in other posts
I find F&G to be scummy independently which is another reason to TR Gamma because this doesn't read like SvS
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 5:57 am
by VP Baltar
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:04 am
by SirCakez
In post 1667, Bingle wrote:
That actually goes for all four of you.
Are you expecting a Dunn elim in the last 24 hours of the day or is this a vanity wagon? If the latter, why?
im fine with the Dunn wagon - I think it's a good thing there's a wagon built on a universal scumread in case we can't consolidate elsewhere
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:04 am
by SirCakez
hi Dwlee hope ur in a town slot
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:05 am
by SirCakez
In post 1734, Sleepless Assassin wrote:But Pookys scum reads are the three being wagoned. It feels too easy. Like not one of gamma/darby/Dunn is town and there's no scum outside of that?
good point
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:06 am
by SirCakez
In post 1778, Datisi wrote: In post 1774, VP Baltar wrote: In post 1773, Datisi wrote:unless you're about to tell me that you spend a lot of time spectating games you do not participate in, i am highly skeptical of that claim there
You saying cakez hasn't seen you as scum?
he has, he modded a jk9++ open game back in february. in which i was constantly losing my shit, lurking, and trying to skate by by doing the absolute minimum possible. it's very much not a game that leaves an impression of "good at scum"
uhhhh you were good in that game it was really close
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:08 am
by SirCakez
I think I feel good about Baltar, SA, Bingle as town
Enchant is limbait
A50 is towny enough for now
Penguin and Dwlee/Not_Maf are total question marks
Would lim Darby or Gamma for info I suppose
Would actually like to elim F&G, Dunn or Datisi
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:09 am
by SirCakez
I really don't like that part of the game where Datisi randomly pulled up with a vote on me and I didn't buy his explanation for it, especially after he spent the beginning of the game townreading me (and he literally again just said he thought my early game was town)
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:09 am
by SirCakez
F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:17 am
by VP Baltar
In post 1796, SirCakez wrote:F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad
Really? I had the opposite reaction. Like Pooky was definitely being aggressive, but Gamma was pushing pretty poorly formed responses and then doubling down on them when pooky shot them through.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:27 am
by SirCakez
In post 1797, VP Baltar wrote: In post 1796, SirCakez wrote:F&G's interactions with Gamma feel like such bad faith like they are trying so hard to make Gamma look bad
Really? I had the opposite reaction. Like Pooky was definitely being aggressive, but Gamma was pushing pretty poorly formed responses and then doubling down on them when pooky shot them through.
I don't think Gamma's responses were that bad and I'd expect them to be doubling down as town here
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:28 am
by Datisi
In post 1795, SirCakez wrote:I really don't like that part of the game where Datisi randomly pulled up with a vote on me and I didn't buy his explanation for it, especially after he spent the beginning of the game townreading me (and he literally again just said he thought my early game was town)
i thought your early game was town
then the one part of your game that was making you town (energy and pushes) disappeared, i realized my read on you was stale and that i need to re-evaluate it
what part of that makes you so unhappy