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lew, please respond to my post 1783.

The Master Hand wrote:well, they were trivial.
1)I'm not talking about you.
2) "Do you think its possible that" questions don't mean shit, because it doesn't mean I think its the most likely outcome.
3) Wait, we were arguing?
4) Trust me, I want him to post too. Unfortunately I do not have complete control over what he does. so, you are going to either have to accept this as a one person slot or be VERY patient

1) What is this in response to?
2) Then provide some evidence. You can't just say "I don't think this was likely" and not back it up.
3) Uh, yes?
4) Deadline is in 4 days. There is a limit to how patient we can be.

1) I was saying that from MY own experience (which is little as scum, mind you) its more likely that.....
4) Then it looks like you're going to have to accept this as a one person slot.
-Toast

The Master Hand wrote:1) I was saying that from MY own experience (which is little as scum, mind you) its more likely that.....

OK, but isn't this exactly the type of argument that you were trying to use to undermine my position earlier?

The Master Hand wrote:Still, this question is more of a matter of "from my own experience"...

...

The Master Hand wrote:4) Then it looks like you're going to have to accept this as a one person slot.

It appears so. Unfortunately for you, I already think you are scum. Andrius's contribution wasn't likely to have made my scum read on you much stronger than it is.

No response to the rest of 1791?

Andrius: "I really want to go in there and destroy what everyone is saying, but I have to get up at 8."

Kdub, I don't think I could have given any response to convince you that I was town. You have a bias. You're twistng my words.
You asked me what I was referring to, I said that I was referring to your questions, which are answered based on my personal experiences. Given that I've been scum only once, I really only have the view of a town spectator. As such, the SK questions, the "what would scum do?"--I can only speculate. Idk what you want from me, but bottom line is that I did not once contradict myself, I answered your questions to the best of my ability, and expected you to be all nit-picky.

What are some other things that have caused our suspicion. Ah, the dana thing.
Yeah, we thought dana was as bored as we were with this game, so decided to get all LYNCHMEPLZ. When we got are VT role, we were like, "ew, VT hydra?" Lets crumb other roles to eat a NK. Hence, obvtown

Unfortunately, lelouch REALLY pissed the two of us off, we got him banned, and then we just had a distaste for this game.
Which leads to the second suspicion of our actions regarding lelouch.
No shit we were pissed off. Did any of that sound fake to you? I think the fact that we went out of our way to GET A BAN on lelouch says that this wasn't a matter of "pushing a lynch." It was a matter of "either we replace out or something happens to lelouch." We both preferred the latter.

@Esurio: Did...you really just point out a crumb? You have a player with the title of "The Baker" and another player with the user name "ToastyToast." Of course we're going to crumb, even if we don't have the role

Lets see....Post 1791. I'm not in the mood to quote so...
1) I'm not scum. I don't need to worry about an SK aiming for me. Also, I think what I said in this post earlier (that I do not have a talent for "lets look at this from the SK/mafia perspective"). Also, what I think about what mafia would do or what the SK would do is irrelevant to allignment, in my opinion, because players all act differently depending on what they are. They also try new strategies. If lewarcher was SK in this game, do you think he would do the exact same thing he did in another game? No. Would he try to manipulate everyone? Hell yes. So I cannot tell you "what SK/mafia" could do because, quite frankly, it doesn't tell me anything. It just tells me what I THINK MIGHT HAPPEN---that's too many words with doubt for me to handle.

2)Yep, you were looking for something, found something that WASN"T a contradiction at all and turned it into one.

3) I have an HUGE lack of understanding of your argument. I don't know what your getting at and I don't think any of those questions is helpful in determining allignment. I DID NOT WANT TO LYNCH THIL BECAUSE HE WAS OBVCOP. I DID NOT WANT TO LYNCH PATB BECAUSE WE HAD A STRONG TOWNREAD ON HIM AND I DIDN"T WANT TO TAKE THIS RISK ONLY TO HAVE ANDRIUS BITCH ABOUT HOW I MADE THE WRONG CHOICE. I wanted wierd to get lynch because it was someone we BOTH found scummy. We had meta reasons, we had SK profile, we had bad posts. Hence, he was a much better choice from our perspective.

4) So if I agree something is likely to happen, what then? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't change the "scum" read you've gotten on me, not would it show that I'm town. Hence, a pointless question. I see something as possible, but it doesn't mean it will happen. I have done everything in this game with a mindset that I am making the best choice to the best of my ability. If this means I have a different opinion than someone else, I don't give a fuck.

I was done with this game at the end of d1. But I persevered, did my best to stay caught up, CAUGHT SCUM AND WAS RIGHT ABOUT 3/4 of those that have flipped.

-Toast
That's all for now. I'll be waiting for the "OMG Ate" and the presumably dazzling response Kdub will make, which everyone will then go "O.o IDK WHAT HE"S SAYING BUT IM GOING WITH IT"

The Master Hand wrote:No shit we were pissed off. Did any of that sound fake to you? I think the fact that we went out of our way to GET A BAN on lelouch says that this wasn't a matter of "pushing a lynch." It was a matter of "either we replace out or something happens to lelouch." We both preferred the latter.

I have not said that your attitude toward Lelouch was fake, I was talking about your attitude toward dana, particularly after his lynch.

The Master Hand wrote:So I cannot tell you "what SK/mafia" could do because, quite frankly, it doesn't tell me anything. It just tells me what I THINK MIGHT HAPPEN---that's too many words with doubt for me to handle.

In other words, you are saying that you can't analyze anything because it's uncertain? Look, you can never know, with absolute certainty, how people are going to act. "What you think might happen" is often the best you can do. But mafia and town players do have very different goals and motivations, and you can look at players' actions to see which point of view it is more to come from. If you aren't willing to accept that under the premise of "it's too uncertain", then how do you ever catch scum?

The Master Hand wrote:2)Yep, you were looking for something, found something that WASN"T a contradiction at all and turned it into one.

I wasn't looking for it specifically, but it was so blatant that I had to call you on it.

The Master Hand wrote:3) I have an HUGE lack of understanding of your argument. I don't know what your getting at and I don't think any of those questions is helpful in determining allignment. I DID NOT WANT TO LYNCH THIL BECAUSE HE WAS OBVCOP. I DID NOT WANT TO LYNCH PATB BECAUSE WE HAD A STRONG TOWNREAD ON HIM AND I DIDN"T WANT TO TAKE THIS RISK ONLY TO HAVE ANDRIUS BITCH ABOUT HOW I MADE THE WRONG CHOICE. I wanted wierd to get lynch because it was someone we BOTH found scummy. We had meta reasons, we had SK profile, we had bad posts. Hence, he was a much better choice from our perspective.

This doesn't actually address the issue I was raising. My response was because you stated that not lynching one of thil/PatB would allow you to "avoid" making a decision between them. I was hoping to get you to see that this was not the case. To spell it out for you, "avoiding" a decision between them on D5 would have you to make a decision between them on D6, because there was no chance in hell the scum were going to kill thil (I hope you can at least see why this is true).

The Master Hand wrote:4) So if I agree something is likely to happen, what then?

If you agree that it's likely to happen, then just maybe you can understand why I suspect you and lew. If you are town, then of course you would think that my conclusion is wrong, but that doesn't preclude you from understanding my argument, and hopefully give you insight into my thought process. In other words, I am looking for you to either acknowledge that my position makes sense, or to show evidence that it is wrong, neither of which you have done. If you can show convincing evidence that another player has acted in a way that makes them more likely to be scum than you are (which would necessitate you understanding exactly why I think you are scum), then my read on you could conceivably change, depending on the strength of that evidence. You have not done this and have continued to just say you have "reads" on players without backing them up.

esurio, whatever you are holding back, I think we need to hear it. Deadline is in 3 days and it's pretty clear that Looker and Andrius are not going to post anything of substance.

The fuck.
IE9 ate my post again.

Well.















I'm sure as hell not typing THAT up again.




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esurio claim your night actions.

Idfc anymore.
I'm not typing that up and apparently I can't get it back sooooo.


I've got a 66% chance of being right if there's 2, and if there's 1 (like I think there is) we're in no danger save idiot-danger.



YAYYYYY LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS NOW.
esurio is a "vig" and is "confirmed town" so yeah.
Leaving Kdub, Looker, lewarcher.
Looker is lolMIA and Kdub is here.

You know what...
this is a bad plan.
Because even if it IS Looker/Kdub Looker would have to come out of the woodwork first.

Hmmm.



esurio,, this was because we were lolVT and wanted to get kileld and out of the game ASAP. It was true; the influx of idiots is annoying and so was the lelouch rage. But the claim, yeah, bullshit. To get us NK'd and gone from the game. Because hell, I don't care, haven't cared for a long time.

I slashed chkflip to death with my sexy sword

and sadly, thil

. I was waiting for my kills to run out before I claimed.

L-O-FUCKING-L
YOU SHOT THE COP.
LOL
AND SO YOU ACTUALLY ARE AN HONORABLE VIG.
TOAST HONORABLE VIG =/= VIG YOU TWIT YOU TOLD ME SHE WAS A VIG SHE IS NOT A VIG SHE IS A 2SHOT VIG WITH TWO SHOTS AND DEFINITELY NOT CONFIRMED TOWN.
Now.

I can sit here and speculate on where the three-kills-a-night came from, but I don't want to type up a page and you don't want to read a page on setup speculation because I'm a whole lot more creative than SK+Mafia+Vig.

GOTTA GO PICK UP MY BROTHER.

PT II: WHO DID THE TRACKER TRACK?

COMING SOON.

THIS HAS BEEN A STREAM-OF-CONSCIOUSNESS PRODUCTION.

>_>
<___<
>_____>


Don't want anyone throwing a bitchfit, otherwise I'm out of here.

Know what?
The hell with it.


Bitches gonna' bitch.

Also, there be a bit of reasoning behind this.
a) He's good. He's alive at LyLo[?]. Scum killed Bunnylover. (LOL) Something's wrong there.
b) He claimed 1shot PR. Ok, what's wrong with that? He's an investigative role who used his action N4. , for you, is three nights after N1, and N1 being the first night, followed by N2 (which is then proceeded by N3, leading up to N4. N2 is one night after N1, and thus the second night; N3 is the third night, one night after N2, and as we all know by now, N2 is two nights after the start of the game.) N4 is four nights too late for a 1shot investigative role to use his ability. What is this? A N1 mass-RB? Fine. So he's three nights too late for his ability. Yes, I'm using some tells that don't work 100% of the time. Do any tells work? This game proved that even CLAIMING SCUM isn't a reliable tell.

So yeah.

I highly doubt jmj's setup would have 2 SKs or is complex enough for esurio to NOT be what she claims she is. So I'm going to attempt to guess the setup which means that RB+GF isn't FLAT-OUT so I've got a 66% chance and tbf I like my tells on lew.

HATERS GONNA HATE.

Going to quick look into Looker now i guess whatever.

Looker wrote:

1. Kdub
2. lewarcher82
3. The Master Hand

Original Roll String: 1d4 (STATIC)

1 4-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

I like this guy's reasoning.
He doesn't seem to give a f***.

Hey Looker, its been a long time since Newbie 930 [?].

AMIDOINITRITE TOAST?

Still haven't actually read since D5. ISO-skimmed for claim info and whatnot.

first of all I apologies for the delay... family visiting and organising my wedding devoured my free time in the last two days.

My point was that by continuing to complain about tunneling and whatnot, you are trying to discredit me without advancing the discussion in any way. You've admitted that you see that the scum were strongly motivated to push an alex lynch on D5, and you've said that you strongly wanted to lynch alex on D5 under the claim of "I had town reads on PatB/thil and an SK read on alex" (unprovable), yet you have not conceded that I have legitimate reasons to suspect you because of this. Sure, you "answered" my points in the sense that you gave the answer I would have expected scum to give. Do you at least see where I am coming from here?

The only reason why I did not concede that your reasons are legitimate is that I still have my townread on TMH quite intact, which, if correct, makes you necessarily scum if there are 2 left.

But you are perfectly right on one thing: your case is acceptable. None of your assertions is impossible, but none is conclusive either, and you try to present them as conclusive without the tiniest doubt. Which makes the difference between scum tunneling and town tunneling. Town starts from a hypothesis ad investigates it, especially on possible lylo. Scum starts from a conclusion and push its until they get the mislynch done.

Inferring Samus's flavour was extremely easy, and it only took some common sense and a little googling of the name Samus. Even if the Dark Samus speculation had turned out to be mistaken, Aran Samus was still a bounty killer who claimed to have no killing role. As easy as this.

Let's talk more about your analysis of D5 for the moment. Given that you admitted that the scum would have strongly wanted to lynch alex on D5 (especially if they had inside info that made him more likely to be the SK), do you find TMH scummy because he helped you push that wagon and appears to have the same excuse you do? Why or why not? Given that I was against the alex wagon, and Looker, being a replacement, only threw his vote on at the end when the deadline was an issue, what do you think our motivations were at the time (mine moreso than Looker)? Are those motivations consistent with scum?

No. I did not and do not find him scummy for that. As I said, every half-competent scum would have assumed the existence of a vig. As scum, with a fake-claimed sensor, you cannot just cross-fingers and assume that chk's kill came from a JOAT who had already claimed all his actions and didn't mention a killing power. Therefore, it was extremely likely that the 1vs1 (which scum knew to be real) would have resolved before lylo, and it would have been suicidal for scum to support PaTB's original suggestion of hunting the sk the way he did.

Which also answer your last question: scum-kdub realises that weirdalexv was the big wagon and tried to distance from PaTB. Someone has to hammer: Looker is fosed by some players (one name: bunny), he is more expendable than kdub. [sidenote: before his last posts, I was still able to accept the idea of Looker town... not any longer, tho]

You never did link me to the game where you were an SK and could joint-win with the scum. I want you to do so because I am genuinely curious. It's such an unusual thing to see in a game that I suspect it was a case of a draw scenario or a non-standard SK win condition, obviously different from a joint win in the sense you were talking about. I noticed that you tried to back out of this with your "if I'm stupid for thinking that..." thing, but I think you just don't want to admit that it was a bad excuse. You don't strike me as a dumb player, you actually strike me as a fairly competent one, so excuse me for doubting your claimed thought process there. If the game you played really did allow for this possibility, I'll concede the point.

No. It does not. I have been an idiot. What the game allowed was a SK SOLO WIN in case of scorched earth. I was completely wrong. Still, I genuinely thought this was an option until I re-read my old PM ten minutes ago. I even celebrated my win as "sk SOLO win" in my wiki page (you can check the versions to see that it was not modified recently)...

I guess I just gave you a further reason to suspect me. Meh. It's just what happened and I cannot change it. I guess I was mislead by the fact that on epicmafia SK can regularly joint with mafia... I regularly played there for over 3 years, my last account is named Temperature and my avatar is identical with my avatar on this site. I guess it's a very weak argument, but unfortunately it's true, and I won't add anything to it.

I concede to you that in BOTH games I played as SK I could not joint win. Still, I thought I could, even when I was playing the game. It's a mere and fortunate coincidence that I decided to eliminate the last scum and keep claiming vig to the final win.

@everyone, but especially esurio. I can guarantee regular activity (although a little delayed) in the next two days; the last day before deadline will be harder for me: weekends suck two weeks before getting married. Consider this as you plan your posting activity.

• lew
  • WIFOMing Bunny's death, flip-flopping your position on me, pointless arguing.
  • Get a grip. I can play both.
  • Why should my opinion of whose scum - whatever that may be - be so relevant to you? Don't you know that scum already know who to take positions against, whose of what alignment? Either way, figure out for yourself who you think is scum and I'll keep my opinion to myself. If I'm wrong, lynch me, but don't try to meld my opinion into your own.
  • My conclusion: We need to make our statements and state the name of who we want to lynch.
  
  
• kdub
  • Correct.
  
  
• TMH
  • Funny
  
  
• lew
  • I think it's funny you changed positions again based on actionless words as opposed to voting pattern or ANYTHING worthwhile.

• I'm ready to roll dice when you are.

lewarcher82 wrote:But you are perfectly right on one thing: your case is acceptable. None of your assertions is impossible, but none is conclusive either, and you try to present them as conclusive without the tiniest doubt.

Actually, quite the opposite. I am not saying and have never said that my case is 100% correct. I am saying that the evidence leads me to think it is the explanation. This is exactly what I've been talking to TMH about (how have you not seen this?). My assertions are neither impossible nor conclusive, but it doesn't have to be one or the other for people to decide what is most probable. If you want to convince me, then I ask you (as I asked TMH) to present evidence that somebody else is more likely to be scum than you are. Where is your case on Looker if you think he is scum?

lewarcher82 wrote:The only reason why I did not concede that your reasons are legitimate is that I still have my townread on TMH quite intact, which, if correct, makes you necessarily scum if there are 2 left.

Can you explain why you have a town read on TMH? What has he done this game that makes you think he is town? Also, my reasoning is independent of my alignment, so your argument here doesn't really make sense. I can think that a person's argument is perfectly reasonable but still think they are scum, or I can think a person's argument is crap but still think they are town.

lewarcher82 wrote:No. I did not and do not find him scummy for that. As I said, every half-competent scum would have assumed the existence of a vig. As scum, with a fake-claimed sensor, you cannot just cross-fingers and assume that chk's kill came from a JOAT who had already claimed all his actions and didn't mention a killing power. Therefore, it was extremely likely that the 1vs1 (which scum knew to be real) would have resolved before lylo, and it would have been suicidal for scum to support PaTB's original suggestion of hunting the sk the way he did.

How could the scum "assume" there was a vig when there wasn't even a general agreement among the town that day about it? Even if the scum suspected a possible vig, there was no reason to suspect that it was more than one-shot, given the kill flavors over the first 4 nights. And (most importantly), even if the scum for certain that there was a vig who could shoot again, it was to their benefit to lynch someone outside the 1v1, and preferably the SK. Would it have been risky to support SK hunting if a vig existed? Well the risk was potentially having associative tells with PatB, so yes to an extent, but the potential gain is a near-certain victory on D6. It's certainly a reasonable risk to take, if the scum even considered the possibility of a vig at all. I should ask you, what did you think the likelihood was on D5 of there being a vig who was more than one-shot?

lewarcher82 wrote:Which also answer your last question: scum-kdub realises that weirdalexv was the big wagon and tried to distance from PaTB.

Uh, where did I "distance" from PatB? I was pretty clearly saying on D5 that I thought he was town.

lewarcher82 wrote:I guess I just gave you a further reason to suspect me.

Since you're conceding the point, I won't push the argument here further, though this statement is accurate.

Looker wrote:Correct.

Do us a favor and replace out please. It'll give us a deadline extension and hopefully bring in a player who will actually read the game and make informed decisions.

Looker wrote:
My conclusion: We need to make our statements and state the name of who we want to lynch.

kdub, you.

kdub wrote:
I think it's funny you changed positions again based on actionless words as opposed to voting pattern or ANYTHING worthwhile.

explain. Your insistent refusal to make exact reference to the content is the final element that points to you being scum.

kdub wrote:
Do us a favor and replace out please. It'll give us a deadline extension and hopefully bring in a player who will actually read the game and make informed decisions.

you don't really expect this to happen, or you would have asked before. We are 48 hours from deadline, even if mod found a replacement and gave us a couple of extra days, replacement could not possibly have enough time to catch up and post. Scum tactics.

kdub wrote:
Uh, where did I "distance" from PatB? I was pretty clearly saying on D5 that I thought he was town.

not supporting his suggestion of hunting the sk is the distancing I refer to, and it was also pretty clear in what I have written. Going any further and overtly bussing your scumpartner would have been enormously scummy, as no one else thought he was scum.

kdub wrote:
How could the scum "assume" there was a vig when there wasn't even a general agreement among the town that day about it?

lolwut???? do you think scum would make their assumptions based on what town thinks? Or that scum would sincerely discuss their concerns about vigs in thread during day?

kdub wrote:
Can you explain why you have a town read on TMH? What has he done this game that makes you think he is town?

this takes time, and requires me to make the second ISO legwork of the day. I will try to post this later today, as it will be beneficial to town by showing my reads to esurio and by forcing you to an even more open and evident scumtunneling.

@everyone: while I ISO TMH, can someone check some of Looker's meta? Him being or not being an endgame-lurker as scum is something that should be easy to find out. If no one will, I will, but I also have a job, so be patient.

Reckamonic wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

TheJakalope

- 11 - The Master Hand, esuriospiritus, Ythan, danakillsu, lewarcher82, GhostWriter, crazypianist1116, xtoxm, RedCoyote, Pinky and the Brain, Lucresia - (L-0)

DarlaBlueEyes

- 1 - ObliviousDruidMuncher - (L-10)

esuriospiritus

- 1 - Espeonage - (L-10)

ObliviousDruidMuncher

- 1 - thil13 - (L-10)

RedCoyote

- 1 - DarlaBlueEyes - (L-10)

Tragedy

- 1 - mb53 - (L-10)

thil13

- 1 - Tragedy - (L-10)

Dekes

- 1 - Super Smash Bros Fan (L-10)

Players not voting: TheJakalope, Dekes

A lynch has been reached.

jmj3000 wrote:

While the computer was in sleep mode, you all dreamed about the innocent you forcibly deleted yesterday. Suddenly, there was a bright flash. You all wake up, and are blinded for the rest of the night. When the computer comes out of sleep mode, you check the recycle bin for any new bodies, but surprisingly, there are none. With grim determination, you all start deliberating again.

It is now Day 2. With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th at 10:30 AM EDT.

(I will put better flavor when I am more awake)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

danakillsu

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-9)

Espeonage

- 3 - lewarcher82, The Master Hand, Tragedy - (L-7)

mb53

- 1 - RedCoyote - (L-9)

The Master Hand

- 1 - Xtoxm - (L-9)

Tragedy

- 10 - Pinky and the Brain, SSBF, thil13, mb53, GhostWriter, crazypianist1116, Dekes, esuriospiritus, Ythan, danakillsu - (L-0)

Xtoxm

- 1 - Espeonage - (L-9)

Players not voting: Kadersalad, chkflip

chkflip replaces Lucresia, effective immediately.

Deadline is May 5th at 10:30 AM EDT.

Mod scene incoming.

jmj3000 wrote:

As the computer comes out of it's sleep cycle, people rush around to get back to their folders. When it is fully awake, you all meet on the desktop and count. You realize you are missing someone. "Where is SSBF?" someone hollers. You all rush to his folder to see what had happened. As you get closer, you start to smell burning flesh. The scene that meets you is gruesome. There are plasma burns all over the room, and SSBF's body has multiple high temperature energy burns. You start to investigate the room when you see something. You all turn and see the remains of a Chozo statue. "No Chozo would ever try to harm Miyamoto." one of you say. You all turn around and mournfully look at the body of Old Bird.

Super Smash Bros. Fan, Old Bird, Vanilla Townie

has been killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is May 22nd at 9 PM EDT.

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

danakillsu

- 1 - Dekes - (L-8)

hohum

- 1 - thil13 - (L-8)

mb53

- 1 - Bunnylover - (L-8)

pine

- 9 - esuriospiritus, danakillsu, lewarcher82, crazypianist1116, thil13, mb53, The Master Hand, RedCoyote - (L-0)

thil13

- 5 - chkflip, Pinky and the Brain, Pine, hohum, - (L-4)

Players not voting: Kdub

Searching for a replacement for chkflip now.

Whee countdown code. Anyways, let me know if there are errors.

As the computer starts to slowly go to sleep, you all start to suddenly point fingers. Finally, someone comes out and plants his feet,ready to lead town. "They are scum!" he declares, pointing directly at pine. Very few of you believe him, but enough follow his lead to overpower pine. As you drag him to the recycle bin, he starts to rant and rave about how Miyamoto had been holding him back. As you throw him into the recycle bin and empty it, some of you go to the folder where his files were stored. Once there, you see where he went nuts and was discussing at night with more people. However, you see nothing special about him.

Pine, Marx, Mafia goon

has been lynched Day 3. Night phase ends at 4 AM EDT on 5/19/11. Send me all night actions, with Reckamonic as the BCC.

(expired on 2011-05-19 04:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Flavor to come later.

E_Lou_Sive, Wario, Mafia Doc

,

has been slashed to death Night 3.

hohum, Ribbon, Vanilla Townie

, was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 3.

RedCoyote, Tetra, Vanilla Townie

, was found incinerated with energy burns all around them.


It is now Day 4. I am taking a week off of deadline due to the lack of activity the last 2 game days. Deadline is June 2nd at 5:00 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-02 05:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

As the computer works towards the end of another active cycle, you all argue and point at whoever you think is scum. Finally, you all start to come to a consensus on the one that calls themselves danakillsu. "I'm just plain old vanilla town!" he claims. Some believe him, some don't, and you are at a standstill. Finally, as the computer is shutting different programs down, you all decide to drag danakillsu towards the recycle bin. Suddenly, he breaks free of all of you and jumps into the recycle bin by himself. His last words as he is deleted are "Get the scum, please." Not sure if his words were meant to confuse or not, you go check his folder. You are greeted with the noise of cuccos clucking, in what appears to be a small inn. Appears like he never had time to do anything, for good or bad.

danakillsu, Anju, Vanilla Townie

Has been lynched Day 4.

Night deadline is 72 hours from this post, which makes it 9:30 AM EDT June 9th.

(expired on 2011-06-09 09:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Flavor to come later. There has been enough of a delay in this day starting already.

Ythan, Princess Peach, doctor

,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.

Dekes, Kirby, Jack of all Trades

, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

It is now Day 5. Deadline is going to stay 2 weeks, because I feel like being nice. Deadline is June 24th at 12:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-24 00:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

thil13

- 3 - esuriospiritus, weirdalexv, Kdub - (L-3)

weirdalexv

- 6 - The Master Hand, lewarcher82, Pinky and the Brain, Bunnylover, thil13, Looker - (L-0)

Players not voting: GhostWriter

Flavor to come when I have time.

weirdalexv, Dark Samus, One-shot BUlletproof Serial Killer,

was Lynched Day 5.

It is now Night 5. Deadline is June 28th, 2011, at 11:00 AM EDT. Any nigh actions sent after then will not count. Send them to both me and Reckamonic.

(expired on 2011-06-28 11:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Flavor to come later

thil13, Merlon, Cop

, has been found slashed to death Night 5.

GhostWriter, Luigi, Tracker

, was found incinerated with energy burns all around their body Night 5.

It is now Day 6. Deadline is in 2 weeks, since the activity picked up during the last day phase. Day 6 ends on July 12th at 5:30 PM EDT.

(expired on 2011-07-12 17:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 4

Pinky and the Brain

- 4 - esuriospiritus, Kdub, lewarcher82, Pinky and the Brain - (L-0)

Players not voting: Bunnylover, Looker, The Master Hand

Flavor to come some time during the night.

Pinky and the Brain, Aurora Unit 313, Mafia Encryptor

, has been recycled Day 6. It is now night, and it will end July 2nd at 5:00 PM EDT.. Send all night actions to me and Reckamonic.

jmj3000 wrote:

Even more flavor owed.

BunnyLover, Donkey Kong, Vanilla Townie

,

was found incinerated with energy burns all around their body Night 6.

It is now Day 7. Deadline is July 17th at 2:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-07-17 02:30:00)

I'll be back.

Reckamonic wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 11

TheJakalope

- 11 - The Master Hand, esuriospiritus,

Ythan

,

danakillsu

, lewarcher82,

GhostWriter

,

crazypianist1116

,

xtoxm

,

RedCoyote

,

Pinky and the Brain

,

Lucresia

- (L-0)

DarlaBlueEyes

- 1 - ObliviousDruidMuncher - (L-10)

esuriospiritus

- 1 -

Espeonage

- (L-10)

ObliviousDruidMuncher

- 1 -

thil13

- (L-10)

RedCoyote

- 1 -

DarlaBlueEyes

- (L-10)

Tragedy

- 1 - mb53 - (L-10)

thil13

- 1 -

Tragedy

- (L-10)

Dekes

- 1 -

Super Smash Bros Fan

(L-10)

Players not voting:

TheJakalope

,

Dekes

A lynch has been reached.

jmj3000 wrote:While the computer was in sleep mode, you all dreamed about the innocent you forcibly deleted yesterday. Suddenly, there was a bright flash. You all wake up, and are blinded for the rest of the night. When the computer comes out of sleep mode, you check the recycle bin for any new bodies, but surprisingly, there are none. With grim determination, you all start deliberating again.

It is now Day 2. With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch. Deadline is May 5th at 10:30 AM EDT.

(I will put better flavor when I am more awake)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 10

danakillsu

- 1 -

Bunnylover

- (L-9)

Espeonage

- 3 - lewarcher82, The Master Hand,

Tragedy

- (L-7)

mb53

- 1 -

RedCoyote

- (L-9)

The Master Hand

- 1 -

Xtoxm

- (L-9)

Tragedy

- 10 -

Pinky and the Brain

,

SSBF

,

thil13

, mb53,

GhostWriter

,

crazypianist1116

,

Dekes

, esuriospiritus,

Ythan

,

danakillsu

- (L-0)

Xtoxm

- 1 -

Espeonage

- (L-9)

Players not voting: Kadersalad,

chkflip

chkflip

replaces

Lucresia

, effective immediately.

Deadline is May 5th at 10:30 AM EDT.

Mod scene incoming.

jmj3000 wrote:As the computer comes out of it's sleep cycle, people rush around to get back to their folders. When it is fully awake, you all meet on the desktop and count. You realize you are missing someone. "Where is SSBF?" someone hollers. You all rush to his folder to see what had happened. As you get closer, you start to smell burning flesh. The scene that meets you is gruesome. There are plasma burns all over the room, and SSBF's body has multiple high temperature energy burns. You start to investigate the room when you see something. You all turn and see the remains of a Chozo statue. "No Chozo would ever try to harm Miyamoto." one of you say. You all turn around and mournfully look at the body of Old Bird.

Super Smash Bros. Fan

, Old Bird, Vanilla Townie

has been killed Night 2.

It is now Day 3. Deadline is May 22nd at 9 PM EDT.

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 9

danakillsu

- 1 -

Dekes

- (L-8)

hohum

- 1 -

thil13

- (L-8)

mb53

- 1 -

Bunnylover

- (L-8)

pine

- 9 - esuriospiritus,

danakillsu

, lewarcher82,

crazypianist1116

,

thil13

,

mb53

, The Master Hand,

RedCoyote

- (L-0)

thil13

- 5 -

chkflip

,

Pinky and the Brain

,

Pine

,

hohum

, - (L-4)

Players not voting: Kdub

Searching for a replacement for

chkflip

now.

Whee countdown code. Anyways, let me know if there are errors.

As the computer starts to slowly go to sleep, you all start to suddenly point fingers. Finally, someone comes out and plants his feet,ready to lead town. "They are scum!" he declares, pointing directly at pine. Very few of you believe him, but enough follow his lead to overpower pine. As you drag him to the recycle bin, he starts to rant and rave about how Miyamoto had been holding him back. As you throw him into the recycle bin and empty it, some of you go to the folder where his files were stored. Once there, you see where he went nuts and was discussing at night with more people. However, you see nothing special about him.

Pine, Marx, Mafia goon

has been lynched Day 3. Night phase ends at 4 AM EDT on 5/19/11. Send me all night actions, with Reckamonic as the BCC.

(expired on 2011-05-19 04:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:Flavor to come later.

E_Lou_Sive, Wario, Mafia Doc

, has been slashed to death Night 3.

hohum, Ribbon, Vanilla Townie

, was found with multiple high temperature energy burns all over their body Night 3.

RedCoyote, Tetra, Vanilla Townie

, was found incinerated with energy burns all around them.


It is now Day 4. I am taking a week off of deadline due to the lack of activity the last 2 game days. Deadline is June 2nd at 5:00 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-02 05:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:As the computer works towards the end of another active cycle, you all argue and point at whoever you think is scum. Finally, you all start to come to a consensus on the one that calls themselves danakillsu. "I'm just plain old vanilla town!" he claims. Some believe him, some don't, and you are at a standstill. Finally, as the computer is shutting different programs down, you all decide to drag danakillsu towards the recycle bin. Suddenly, he breaks free of all of you and jumps into the recycle bin by himself. His last words as he is deleted are "Get the scum, please." Not sure if his words were meant to confuse or not, you go check his folder. You are greeted with the noise of cuccos clucking, in what appears to be a small inn. Appears like he never had time to do anything, for good or bad.

danakillsu, Anju, Vanilla Townie

Has been lynched Day 4.

Night deadline is 72 hours from this post, which makes it 9:30 AM EDT June 9th.

(expired on 2011-06-09 09:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:Flavor to come later. There has been enough of a delay in this day starting already.

Ythan, Princess Peach, doctor

,was found incinerated and surrounded by energy burns Night 4.

Dekes, Kirby, Jack of all Trades

, was found with multiple high-energy burn marks on their body Night 4.

It is now Day 5. Deadline is going to stay 2 weeks, because I feel like being nice. Deadline is June 24th at 12:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-06-24 00:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 6

thil13

- 3 - esuriospiritus,

weirdalexv

, Kdub - (L-3)

weirdalexv

- 6 - The Master Hand, lewarcher82,

Pinky and the Brain

,

Bunnylover

,

thil13

, Looker - (L-0)

Players not voting:

GhostWriter

Flavor to come when I have time.

weirdalexv, Dark Samus, One-shot BUlletproof Serial Killer,

was Lynched Day 5.

It is now Night 5. Deadline is June 28th, 2011, at 11:00 AM EDT. Any nigh actions sent after then will not count. Send them to both me and Reckamonic.

(expired on 2011-06-28 11:00:00)

jmj3000 wrote:Flavor to come later

thil13, Merlon, Cop

, has been found slashed to death Night 5.

GhostWriter, Luigi, Tracker

, was found incinerated with energy burns all around their body Night 5.

It is now Day 6. Deadline is in 2 weeks, since the activity picked up during the last day phase. Day 6 ends on July 12th at 5:30 PM EDT.

(expired on 2011-07-12 17:30:00)

jmj3000 wrote:

Official Vote Count

Players needed to lynch: 4

Pinky and the Brain

- 4 - esuriospiritus, Kdub, lewarcher82,

Pinky and the Brain

- (L-0)

Players not voting:

Bunnylover

, Looker, The Master Hand

Flavor to come some time during the night.

Pinky and the Brain, Aurora Unit 313, Mafia Encryptor

, has been recycled Day 6. It is now night, and it will end July 2nd at 5:00 PM EDT.. Send all night actions to me and Reckamonic.

jmj3000 wrote:Even more flavor owed.

BunnyLover, Donkey Kong, Vanilla Townie

, was found incinerated with energy burns all around their body Night 6.

It is now Day 7. Deadline is July 17th at 2:30 AM EDT.

(expired on 2011-07-17 02:30:00)

Be back again, much later, though.

very well Looker. Now I wait for you to actually do something more than coloring the flips.

Besides, I think all is reduced to this:

according to kdub:
weirdalexv - 6 - , - (L-0) [with all scum voting the SK, voters n. 1, 2 and 3.]

according to me:
weirdalexv - 6 - - (L-0) [with kdub being scum and avoiding the wagon]

kdub's reconstruction assumes that scum was so sure of the absence of a vig that they tried to instant win the game by getting thil lynched the following day. I call this bullshit. Scum would be imbecile not to assume the existence of a vig, and i explained why.

I have explained my recontruction in the last posts. Feel free to keep asking me questions.

Alright, a few random thoughts -

I'm thinking there's one scum in Looker/TMH and one scum in Kdub/Lewarcher. It's not as if scum had all that many obvtown people to kill that they couldn't take out one of the conventionally obvtown-looking people in Kdub/Lewarcher, so while it's WIFOM I can't help but think there must be one scum alive out of the two of them. I also don't think they're scum together because there's really no need for them to go to all this effort of being at each others' throats if they're both scum -- it'd be a charade that really wouldn't be at all necessary when they could just agree that the conventionally less-townie looking Looker/TMH needs to be lynched and count on me agreeing with at least one of those lynches for a scum win.

I'm having kind of a hard time shaking Andrius' "esurio isn't confirmed town -- oh wait I guess she is" comment, and I'm not sure if I buy the whole "we crumbed power to eat an NK" thing, but this is, tbh, better off than I was before. I was completely bald-faced lying at the start of today when I said I caught a towntell on TMH. I went into this day thinking he was the obvscummiest obvscum evar and probably partners with Looker, but figured I'd get more of a response if I pretended I leaned town on the slot. <_< And now I'm not as sure as I was before. Figures.

Looker-slot's lynch vote history is the most ridiculously scummy thing evar



but I can't help but notice that unless the team is Looker/Lewarcher, MB53 voted like at least 3 of the scum at one point or another during his iso, and even if some of it was RVS votes I feel that is significant. That's what I was trying to get Lewarcher to see by asking him to look at his iso, but it doesn't look like he caught that.

Anyway, moar thoughts later. That's it for now.

@lew: Why is our name red in one VC and blue in another VC?

@esurio: what do the numbers mean in your VCA
-Toast

Esurio is going to have to explain her numbering system.

Also, I highly doubt that the Pine wagon was entirely town-driven (and SK) therefore no scum bussed Pine WITH THE COP GUILTY.
So deduction yadda ya not esuio and not us. *gollum gollum*

HEY GUYS LOOK AT ALL THE POSTERS. LOOK, SEE WHAT SMEAGOL FINDS?!?

tl;dr: No quickhammer on lewarcher.

THE INFORMATION.



I'm starting to second-guess my second-guessing that there actually are two scum left; there might be just the one? Otherwise its definitely lew.

Re: Looker meta

I played with him once over a year ago in Newbie 930 IIRC and he was lynched D1 so there's no endgame play there either.

I'm thinking there's one scum in Looker/TMH and one scum in Kdub/Lewarcher

I feel like this line of thinking could lose us the game. Kdub/lew is still a possibility.

It's not as if scum had all that many obvtown people to kill that they couldn't take out one of the conventionally obvtown-looking people in Kdub/Lewarcher, so while it's WIFOM I can't help but think there must be one scum alive out of the two of them.

Then why did BUNNYLOVER get killed, hm?

I'm having kind of a hard time shaking Andrius' "esurio isn't confirmed town -- oh wait I guess she is" comment

I lost a game (won a Cassandra) because the town was 100% convinced that if you daykill a scumbag you are 100% town.
He flipped scum, and endgame'd the town.
Basically, your "two shots" could be ANYTHING, namely Dekes_JOAT's 1shot Vig kill? YEAH. Or any number of things.
HOWEVER, I highly doubt that jmj's setup is THAT complicated (no offense) to include roleMADNESS like that so I'l write you off as town.

probably partners with Looker

After recent posts I'm starting to like Kdub/lewarcher.
I mos' def' think lew is scum at this point, as much as it grieves me to see him go, and somehow I think Looker's just being an idiot.

More attention to VCA when I dont have MH3freetime.

TMH wrote:
@lew: Why is our name red in one VC and blue in another VC?

dude, are you serious? Did you even bother reading the two lines I have written? It's red (as yours) in kdub's reconstruction cuz he says I am scum; blue in mine, while his is red.

lewarcher82 wrote:

TMH wrote:
@lew: Why is our name red in one VC and blue in another VC?

dude, are you serious? Did you even bother reading the two lines I have written? It's red (as yours) in kdub's reconstruction cuz he says I am scum; blue in mine, while his is red.

oy, I just misread. thanks for clarifying.
-toast

^That guy's an idiot or illiterate.

-A

lewarcher82 wrote:not supporting his suggestion of hunting the sk is the distancing I refer to, and it was also pretty clear in what I have written. Going any further and overtly bussing your scumpartner would have been enormously scummy, as no one else thought he was scum.

Then you have a very different definition of "distance" than most people.

lewarcher82 wrote:lolwut???? do you think scum would make their assumptions based on what town thinks? Or that scum would sincerely discuss their concerns about vigs in thread during day?

I admit "assume" was not the right word to use there, but let me try to make it more clear. We were all discussing the possibility of a vig or that the "slashed" kill came from Dekes. Nobody (save for esurio, who herself didn't publicly commit 100% to the idea of a vig, and for good reason) thought a vig was a given. Sure, the scum may have been lying, but since nobody other than a vig themselves (and possibly GW if he had tracked a vig) was privy to knowledge that made the existence of a vig more probable, the likelihood of there being a vig should have been the same, on average, in the minds of town and scum. And since nobody (except esurio), town included, seemed to think it was likely, then clearly the evidence did not suggest that there was one.

Now, I will concede that the scum may have had reason to "play it safe" by accounting for the possibility of a vig, even if they didn't think one was likely. But that gets back to the rest of my argument. 1) The potential reward (winning the game on D6) may have been worth the risk. Take a look at the current situation. The vig ended up messing up the scum's plans, yet they still find themselves in a 5-player endgame and likely two chances to win. Does that seem like a terrible or unwinnable situation to risk being in? 2) Vig or no vig, it was still in the scum's interest to lynch outside of PatB/thil (and if they got the SK, even better). And you didn't answer my question, what did YOU think the likelihood of a multi-shot vig was on D5 (and yes, I have a point here depending on your answer).

lewarcher82 wrote:kdub's reconstruction assumes that scum was so sure of the absence of a vig that they tried to instant win the game by getting thil lynched the following day. I call this bullshit. Scum would be imbecile not to assume the existence of a vig, and i explained why.

Addressed above.

The Master Hand wrote:tl;dr: No quickhammer on lewarcher.

Good point. If me and Looker are scum as lew is suggesting, then each hour that goes by with no quicklynch or even one of us putting a vote on him blows more and more holes in his proposed scumteam.

The Master Hand wrote:I feel like this line of thinking could lose us the game. Kdub/lew is still a possibility.

LOL, seriously? Wasn't Toast the one who was saying lew and I were "safe"? Explain my play (and to an extent, his play) today then.