You're still not scumhunting.In post 1630, Lost Butterfly wrote:Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt the robotic Facebook "I LIKE THIS" type posts that seem to going into excruciatingly unnecessary detail at times but I am curious!
Why not? Scum could have easily advertised things knowing that this would be part of the discussion and they would be coming out looking protown for it. I'm surprised you're just writing it off as a major town tell for experienced scum to do things that would look protown.In post 1639, Lost Butterfly wrote:
The main thing I'm taking away from this is that morph, Banakai, upside down, and to a lesser extent ProHawk (since Gravedigger isn't as unambiguously protown as some of the other abilities) come out looking really good. Given that the advertisement totals are hidden, I don't see scum dropping money on advertising protown abilities on N0. The only way it pays off is if you happen to be the one player in the game who advertises that ability. And morph going the extra mile of advertising abilities that were in danger of being eliminated last night is a major towntell.
Thoughts?
Although damn this sounds town.In post 1677, Voidedmafia wrote:I'm going to say this one more time, and then either you're going to not believe me and keep your vote. Or you're going to believe me, shut up about this, and then either unvote me or find some other damn reason to vote me. This goes for morph, too.In post 1612, PeregrineV wrote:You're voting him because he's scum. If your not, why are you voting him?
You're calling me scum (stating my "team" could have gotten both NK and neighborizer), but not voting me.
Your conjecturing, but if you conjecture we are both scum, then you either think we are on the same team or opposing teams.
If you have enough information to reach the conclusion that we are both scum, then you should also have reached a conclusion that we are on the same or opposing teams.
So either you don't believe what you are saying, or your making shit up. Which is it?
I. Made. Conjecture. That's. It. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't call you scum. Even if I did, I sure as hell don't know if you and Nero are same or opposite scum because I just don't know and I don't like to do teams without scumflips. I DID, however, post a theory t hatinvolvedpositing that you were scum, but did notcallyou scum. Reread that post morph quoted. Note that the entire thing is based on the assumption that you're scum, and then that you and your team won neighborizer and night kill, and THEN wasted that nk for neighbor usage. In retrospect that's not even good conjecture as even seanald wouldn't use it that stupidly if he was scum and was given usage of the nk. Not one person in this game would do that
Now, I think Nero is scum. I'm voting him. I don't know if you're scum, and only have some stupid bit of conjecture that really only works as town's biggest N1 wet dream to think that you're scum. So I'm not voting you. Are we fucking clear, or do I need to yell at you to get that through your thick skull?
Why?In post 1749, Zdenek wrote:zMuff is probably scum.
In post 1750, Zdenek wrote:peregrine, why did you bid on Neighbourizer?
In post 1775, morph the cat wrote:Yes he is!In post 1773, Pyrotechnics wrote:BUT ISN'T MY KITTEN ADORABLE???
You literally got after me in Wingate for getting frustrated at Mara and Generic and their day one fight. Why now do you think scum just thrive during these times?In post 1784, Garuda wrote:
I think sitting in the middle of the thread complaining about how stupid everything is was less likely to be coming from a scum Natirasha. Scum usually thrive during times where the gamestate is completely fucked (aka when everyone's fighting) and I know Natirasha is particularly more in tune with the tempo of the thread than most people so it makes a lot of sense that it bothered him so strongly.
I guess Pyro.In post 1743, morph the cat wrote:Pick one more player you think is town. We're not including ourselves in the lists.In post 1742, PeregrineV wrote:Behind, will catch up today/night.
Top 6 town favs:
6. Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
7. Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
9. morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)
11. Ghostly Penguin (a hydra of Ghostlin and penguin_alien) (replaces Banakai)
13. uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
me
Fav Abilites:
Doc
Cop
Market Analyst
Wage Freeze
Forensic Accountant
Watcher
Because I didn't think I'd get nightkill or cop, but figured if scum wanted to hard-bid on those, then the most I could do would keep the cost of neighborizor high, so they couldn't connect up.In post 1750, Zdenek wrote:peregrine, why did you bid on Neighbourizer?
Couple things. Is cabd not paranoid of me at all? I mean I think my scum game absolutely sucks, but he said in Chef Mafia that he couldn't exactly read me because of him town reading me in Red Wedding when I was scum.In post 1797, morph the cat wrote:
Heh. I suspect Cabd and I have chewed up a similar number of bytes discussing you guys. Well, Syr mostly, because even after our disconnect in Rapture (which was mostly driven by my tentative play, something that is not an issue in this game), I feel like he's been involved in many of the game events that have shaped my current approach to townbloc-building because most of those events happened in Rift games. This game's outcome will probably shape my approach even further, for good or ill.
Observation mode is pretty much where we are at, and that should be pretty obvious to Syr. We want to let you set the pace of interactions.
For now, we'll leave it up to you to define if, how and how much you want our cooperation. And we'll figure out if, how and how much we're willing to accommodate what you come up with.
We are both a little paranoid that we're underestimating your scum game here. Cabd is probably better at discounting and working around paranoia than I am, but I think my baseline level of paranoia is lower because I've never played a game with scum-you and I'm not seeing scum motivation in your posts.In post 1821, Pyrotechnics wrote:Couple things. Is cabd not paranoid of me at all? I mean I think my scum game absolutely sucks, but he said in Chef Mafia that he couldn't exactly read me because of him town reading me in Red Wedding when I was scum.In post 1797, morph the cat wrote:
Heh. I suspect Cabd and I have chewed up a similar number of bytes discussing you guys. Well, Syr mostly, because even after our disconnect in Rapture (which was mostly driven by my tentative play, something that is not an issue in this game), I feel like he's been involved in many of the game events that have shaped my current approach to townbloc-building because most of those events happened in Rift games. This game's outcome will probably shape my approach even further, for good or ill.
Observation mode is pretty much where we are at, and that should be pretty obvious to Syr. We want to let you set the pace of interactions.
For now, we'll leave it up to you to define if, how and how much you want our cooperation. And we'll figure out if, how and how much we're willing to accommodate what you come up with.
I reacted differently to Syr's case in Raptured because I knew my play was bad. My play in this game has not been bad. In my opinion my play has been solidly town. I can see why Syr reacted to that one post the way he did, but as far as I know, he wasn't in-the-moment in this game from the start. It really, REALLY worried me that you were scumreading some of my town reads. Day 2, either you've done a better job of getting your reasons across or I've done a better job of receiving the info, or a combination of both, because I can at least see where you are coming from, and in some cases the strength of my own town reads has decreased a little this game day.Syr had me re-read mafia.raptured the other night and wants me to read Death's Diner? which I'll do this weekend. But as far as mafia.raptured, you did react a differently to Syry's case on you. I guess for me, I'm going to take that game more seriously because it's a game I played in and one I had a town read on you, no matter how poor or tentative a game you thought you played. I'm a very poor meta-diverand only do it when empire forces me toso game experience means more to me. And I'm now rambling; it's late I need sleep. The main point is we're probably spending way too much time trying to figure you guys out. So if you are town, it would be really awesome if you could town tell in a way that Syry would recognize.
clearance, plz?In post 1709, Voidedmafia wrote:Also, are abilities like doctor and neighborizer being advertised in advance of the next cycle of auctions?
Nothing about this post really feels right to me. I understand that this is only up to pg. 38, but the reads given and the annoyed last line don't look genuine.In post 1717, DoctorPepper wrote:Read up to page 38, that Hermy wagon was bad for the build up but I guess it was necessary because of lol shortened deadline.
I advertised tracker last night.
scum reads:
ProHawk - not hammering "obv town" after a) proclaiming obv town when person flipped and b) denouncing the hammer AFTER it was a deadline lynch. Your defense of her wasn't pointing out that she was obv town, rather null or not scummy based on inactivity. Huge difference there.
Upside Down - seriously almost nothing coming from this slot. Its like most of the early posts were posts for the sake of posting and looking active
Garuda - Something about the "I like this" list of Voided's posts. He just outlined all the irrelevant, non alignment proving things said by Voided at that point.
Nero - weird push on HaraKiri. Its like the main point of attack is "Sakura is scum for always sheeping Nacho"
Why the hell are you guys so fucking prolific when youre posting??
Why not Bald or UD?In post 1720, Garuda wrote:Vote: DoctorPepper
Then let's work on getting this lynched while I'm finishing my holy work.
It's hard not to be when as far as you're aware there wasn't any problem.In post 1729, pieguyn wrote:. if you wanted him to explain itself i feel you'd be less pissed off and you'd at least consider answering the questions he asked
I was hoping for something more solid than gut behind that. zdenek's post was one that looks like it'd garner reactions, but this still feels rather underwhelming.In post 1729, pieguyn wrote:442. no that's all there was to that it seemed genuine
...I'm aware it's not the "whole" reason behind your read. I'm saying that it's where you decided "VM's scum". Where'd that come from?In post 1729, pieguyn wrote:982. b. no 189 was not the whole reason I had a scumread on you. it came from everything I quoted about you. 189 didn't "solidify" it per se cause it's the first thing I noticed but I'd still have a scumread on you without 189. you admit this is a possibility but the first thing you think of is that it did just cause 189 came first? when such logic is provably fallacious? seems like scum BS'ing imo
In post 1747, Zdenek wrote:I don't really feel like reading all of the walls. Is there any reason not to lynch Voided or Mhork that I am unaware of?
Both of these posts feel so wrong but I get the feeling that some people are going to townread him for them.In post 1749, Zdenek wrote:zMuff is probably scum.
If that's the case, though, what does it accomplish, if anything? I don't have much fault with how he got his reads (though I do feel like the mhork read should be sifted a little bit better in light of my (and someone else's who I can't recall) notes on how he seems to be townreading his defenders), and the action does strike me as being on the town side of things, but doing something to go "yeah, well, here's MY reads that aren't like yours!" doesn't strike me as a profitable move at all.In post 1764, morph the cat wrote:I told Cabd that I think it kinda does make sense if you view it as a rebuke to the emerging consensus.
Syryana's?In post 1773, Pyrotechnics wrote:BUT ISN'T MY KITTEN ADORABLE???
He's cuter (and less weird) than yours.In post 1775, morph the cat wrote:Yes he is!
I understand that BB's post count compared to the number of pages is rather low, but this still seems like a very low number of posts to go off of. Is that it, or is it somewhat incomplete?In post 1778, Garuda wrote:*stuff on BBmolla*
I took stupid pills. That's pretty much it, really. My handle on the daygame is...decent (for varying definitions of "decent" and how you can apply that to me <_<), but I haven't been able to put the time into night stuff.In post 1796, Pyrotechnics wrote:Actually, Voided why did you choose to advertise and then go for the extra voter? Last game you went after doctor the first night.
This is stupidity. The reason, not the vote, though that's questionable, too.In post 1806, Harakiri wrote:Anyways I still want money, so VOTE: Voidedmafia.
Under the assumption that I'm getting lynched today (if only for efficiency, as Hara's so succinctly put it <_<), would you like me to do this in advance?
Do you feel like the person you neighborized is town?In post 1820, PeregrineV wrote:Also hoped to make some QTs where I could get better reads