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In post 1798, sekai no ki wrote:Should note that I'm faking hydra dissonance about AP. Pie has some opinions that I want to share to look town, but I wont let him actually post cause people are scumreading him properly.

AP is the biggest centerpiece of our fake hydra dissonance so I will arbitrarily compare him to Wisdom and keep calling him probtown.

Keep calm and lynch mastin.

I only actually have 3 scumreads and I hope to have even less before the end of the Day. Im waffling on Thor in order to make him look sketchy when I end up getting lynched and flipping mafia.

:thumbs up:

snk, your Bulbazak read makes no sense.

In post 1801, Zdenek wrote:snk, your Bulbazak read makes no sense.

how so?

I'd rather if you explained it to me.

In post 1799, sekai no ki wrote:Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.

TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

5 more masin votes for a scum lynch. RC will bus when he gets back so really only 4.

Zdenek wrote:I'd rather if you explained it to me.

I liked his response to my pushback. And, wrt to the discrepancy in his stance, AP gift-wrapped an explanation for it, and he didn't take it up. Nor did he try to paint it as something else, himself. He's owned the discrepancy unapologetically. That's the most town response I think I can expect from the exchange.

There are some philosophical things involved in my read change as well, but I doubt it makes sense outside my approach to mafia. There's an entire way of looking at the game that is sort of like air to me. I walk through it, I can see that other people see stuff in a person's posts that resonates for them, and to me whatever it is, it's completely invisible. I've learned to derive some of it by looking at other players' reactions to a resonance that I simply don't see or hear.

The befuddlement tends to be mutual, and I see players who work entirely in that game-space that virtually doesn't exist for me as scummy. It takes a long time to build a decent model of their play. bulba is one of those players for me. And I'm coming to accept that my approach to the game is as tenuous to him as his approach is to me.

In post 1804, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1799, sekai no ki wrote:Also, before day closes, I hope to have a better grasp of Thor's posting. I'm offput by his focus on the town nks and the way he's trying to shape the three submissions, but there are other things he's posted that I feel are kinda towny. Some distance and review may change that read.

TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

In post 1807, sekai no ki wrote:And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

As I was saying...

In post 1804, Majiffy wrote:TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

In post 541, mastin2 wrote:Random note--I feel like Alpa's the replacement-counterwagon to the scum-Sven wagon. Vezok didn't gain momentum because having me defend a player will typically have that effect. So, instead of wagoning a townread, they wagon a nullread--not just of me, but of most players, so that there is very little resistance against the wagon, and that the wagons on scum players like Rubicon and Sven and Majiffy are completely and entirely forgotten.

This was BS since Mastin had a town read on Thor and Peregrine - the two people who joined the Alpa wagon (aside from GiF who was on it before.)

In post 1800, AngryPidgeon wrote:Keep calm and lynch mastin.

I only actually have 3 scumreads and I hope to have even less before the end of the Day. Im waffling on Thor in order to make him look sketchy when I end up getting lynched and flipping mafia.

:thumbs up:

AP, your scumreads on sekai and myself are incompatible. The latter is correct. That's how I read the post, too. It's basically a scumclaim from sekai. So why the heck are you wagoning me when you yourself SAID that we don't share the same alignment? If you think sekai's scum and are suspicious of me being scum and recognize that both aren't true, analyze which of them is stronger, dang it. And you know it's that sekai's scum, because you also know that I'm town.

@AP: we need to talk. You gonna be online in an hour? - I'll be home then

In post 1808, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1807, sekai no ki wrote:And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

As I was saying...

In post 1804, Majiffy wrote:TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

inorite?

In post 1809, Zdenek wrote:This was BS since Mastin had a town read on Thor and Peregrine - the two people who joined the Alpa wagon (aside from GiF who was on it before.)

BS implies it was something I was faking. It was called a random note because it was exactly that: a random thought I had. Random thoughts? Are rarely if ever backed up by me actually checking the facts to see if they're true. In that case, you're right; it wasn't true, at that time. But if you look at the later Alpa wagon's size, it very, VERY easily could (and probably is--I need to double-check that to be sure) be true.

In post 1812, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 1808, Majiffy wrote:

In post 1807, sekai no ki wrote:And TownMajiffy's approach is tailored to work just as well when Majiffy is scum. It's optimized for Majiffy-wins, not town-wins. We've been over this territory before, I think.

As I was saying...

In post 1804, Majiffy wrote:TownThor is similar in tonality and approach to TownMajiffy.

inorite?

In post 1810, mastin2 wrote:So why the heck are you wagoning me when you yourself SAID that we don't share the same alignment?

Misrep/lie.

Reality:

In post 544, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 538, mastin2 wrote:with sekai's and GIF's reads on me in particular. Their townreads on me made zero sense

Yes distance from your teammates on your way out the door.

In post 1721, AngryPidgeon wrote:This is the game you've chosen for subverting your scummeta isnt it.

Mollie feels confident there's a difference in my town and scum play. Maybe you can find that key and apply it to Thor.

In post 1811, dopog wrote:@AP: we need to talk. You gonna be online in an hour? - I'll be home then

You can't escape me. When I want you, I will find you.

In post 1815, AngryPidgeon wrote:Misrep/lie.

Actually, neither. Misremember. I thought sekai was among the names you listed in "is town after Mastin flips scum" list. (Which you DID make.) I just checked, and it turns out you're right, they're not in that list. My bad.

...But if you think I'm scum bussing, you might as well sheep me. A scum lynch is a scum lynch, right?

In post 1778, AngryPidgeon wrote:Sven and Alpaca are both probtown after a mastin scumflip though.

(The post I was thinking of.)

In post 1816, Majiffy wrote:Mollie feels confident there's a difference in my town and scum play. Maybe you can find that key and apply it to Thor.

I seem to have the key. Or a key. Large games are too noisy to get there quickly unless you're pretty overtly town. I haven't played enough with Thor to figure out how to generalize things yet.

Shrug.

In post 1821, Majiffy wrote:Shrug.

What's your opinion of Thor?

So, in regards to mastin, pitoli said she felt town. I didn't like how in her one catchup post she said our reaction was town but didn't actually quote any of our posts.

In post 1822, sekai no ki wrote:

In post 1821, Majiffy wrote:Shrug.

What's your opinion of Thor?

Town.