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Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:20 pm**

I will be asleep shortly. I'll put thor at L-1 now and you can make the call to hammer or not as you wish.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:21 pm**

VOTE: thor665

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:25 pm**

Intent to hammer Thor barring a claim. I'll finish out the timeline I made and let's call it 10PM, another 90 minutes from now. I apologize for it being rushed, but I'm not going to go to bed risking a no lynch. I can be convinced to wait until 12PM if needed. No longer than that though.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:35 pm**

^12AM. 12PM is past EOD.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:41 pm**

Anyone here that might be interested in a flashwagon move to ploben?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:49 pm**

In post 1768, Dunnstral wrote:I highly prefer a Thor lynch, just to reiterate.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:53 pm**

In post 1805, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1768, Dunnstral wrote:I highly prefer a Thor lynch, just to reiterate.

Oh, I understand. But since I highly prefer a ploben lynch, I'll do what I can to see if I can swing it. Otherwise it'll be Thor.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:10 pm**

10:00, no thor. I'll give it to 11 or so.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:40 pm**

20 minutes left. Be nice if someone else showed up to talk.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:41 pm**

I'm here

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:42 pm**

wanna recruit another thor voter and flash wagon ploben? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:44 pm**

lol for day 1 taking over 1800 posts and going to the bitter end though. Re-reading it all on day 2 post flips will be work.

Then agian, if two wolves are in {ploben, thor, btd} I think we're in good shape regardless.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:45 pm**

Nope

Also you're not going to like this but if Thor is mafia I'd want to get Ranger over Ploben again for day 2

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:47 pm**

In post 1812, Dunnstral wrote:Nope

Also you're not going to like this but if Thor is mafia I'd want to get Ranger over Ploben again for day 2

If thor flips mafia I'm going to be a pretty happy camper. If we get a night cop check or vig shot on mafia to boot I'll be a SUPER happy camper. I'll probably still want ploben, but will at least listen to the ranger case.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:00 pm**

It's 11PM, figuratively clock strikes midnight on D1. We are NOT no lynching today.
VOTE: Thor

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:18 pm**

In post 1811, mhsmith0 wrote:lol for day 1 taking over 1800 posts

It's probably my fault
It's like 50/50 whether my games end up normal or super duper long
Which is again, probably my fault just because I post so much and then people respond to me a lot

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:18 pm**

Anyway, hammer is down, it's twilight, if anyone has thoughts they want on record before mod closes now's the time. My list is about what it was before. Two key changes/notes:

1) I haven't liked flor at all lately, definitely need to look at him more closely N1 and D2.

2) If Thor flips green, I'm going to take a much harder look at Dunn tomorrow. Thor's push felt reachy, but if it was actually genuine then I'll need to more seriously re-evaluate what he'd said.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 7:19 pm**

In post 1815, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1811, mhsmith0 wrote:lol for day 1 taking over 1800 posts

It's probably my fault
It's like 50/50 whether my games end up normal or super duper long
Which is again, probably my fault just because I post so much and then people respond to me a lot

There are a lot of high volume posters in this game. Also, the game DRAGGED towards the finish, in part because there were pretty consistent "lynch ploben" and "don't lynch ploben" factions, which generally seemed to be pretty balanced. Games dragging this long isn't a good thing, but it is what it is. Here's to hoping we're under 1,000 posts for D2.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:06 pm**

In post 1786, Dunnstral wrote:How does a "claim check out" in this setup?

If mafia picked either no mods or 1 mod, they get a 60%/40% chance respectively of successfully fake claiming a pr role.

I think I went over this already before

There is only one role to be claimed that wouldn't warrant a lynch anyway IMO, and that's vigilante

In my opinion, Vigilante is the one role you DO want to policy lynch. A Vigilante is, for all practical purposes, highly Negative Utility. They are more likely to shoot Town than scum, ruining Town's chances near LyLo.

For example, at the day before LyLo, if Town mislynches and the Vig miskills, Town lose. If there was no Vig at all, Town could go to a LyLo. A Vig is more likely to miskills here than kill correctly.

If you let them live, have the entire Town call who they will shoot, as if it were a second lynch. A Vigilante should then always kill that player, regardless of how much they townread them. It stops bad Vigs from destroying the Town.

When you think about it, a Vig is just a Town-aligned Serial Killer.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:10 pm**

Is that all you have to say?

We just lynched Thor. Thoughts?

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:11 pm**

By the way you're so wrong about everything up there regarding a vig that it hurts

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:15 pm**

In post 1817, mhsmith0 wrote:
In post 1815, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1811, mhsmith0 wrote:lol for day 1 taking over 1800 posts

It's probably my fault
It's like 50/50 whether my games end up normal or super duper long
Which is again, probably my fault just because I post so much and then people respond to me a lot
There are a lot of high volume posters in this game. Also, the game DRAGGED towards the finish, in part because there were pretty consistent "lynch ploben" and "don't lynch ploben" factions, which generally seemed to be pretty balanced. Games dragging this long isn't a good thing, but it is what it is. Here's to hoping we're under 1,000 posts for D2.

I completely agree. If I leave it for just a few hours, pages turn up.

The Vig should kill Ploben. They were the second biggest wagon. Thus we can achieve a Town dictating the Vig's kills.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:17 pm**

In post 1820, Dunnstral wrote:By the way you're so wrong about everything up there regarding a vig that it hurts

See the start of Newbie 1708. The Vig is my most hated role. If I make a setup myself, unless it is a bastard, you will never see a Vig. It's like adding a Serial Killer and expecting it to count as a Town PR.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:18 pm**

Also, please explain how I am wrong about the Vig. Town should absolutely dictate Vig kills.

Posted: **Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:18 pm**

In post 1821, BTD6_maker wrote:If I leave it for just a few hours

In post 1767, Persivul wrote:
BTD6 has been prodded

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