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In post 1796, Dunnstral wrote:I think that Jailkeeper Watcher is really strong for town

bp isn't as I've explained and going after him for his claim is kind of dumb

4 power roles isn't a crazy unheard of amount; it's average

4PRs is balanced only if scum have at least two full blown power roles.

Jailkeeper + Watcher + BP+<redacted> is flipping insane.

With scum flipping a one shot in a 10-3 game there is no way both Manuel and redacted are town or this game is unbalanced as fuck.

In post 1797, Dunnstral wrote:You think Watcher-Jailkeeper couldn't have had a ninja?

sure they could have. Rarely is anything ever a stone-cold lock in mafia. But the most likely answer is that the guy targetting the dead guy is the killer.

That combined w/ the fact that that absorbing scums kill doesn't normally work is more than enough for me to not consider a scenario in which infinity could have been town.

what if the last scum role is strongman

In post 1802, Dunnstral wrote:what if the last scum role is strongman

It can't be else they would have kept using it and JK Transcend fails and Transcend is dead. Flail harder.

And why did you say last? Only one scum has flipped? What would be the other?

In post 1803, MathBlade wrote:Flail harder.

...?

I meant 1-shot strongman obviously

Not sure what you think I'm flailing about

By last I meant last power role
so 1-shot tracker
1-shot strongman
goon

In post 1806, Dunnstral wrote:By last I meant last power role
so 1-shot tracker
1-shot strongman
goon

And that is not balanced at all. Scum be wrecked.

Infinite tracker, one shot strongman, goon makes that start to be playable against JK Watcher BP and nothing else.

Hell look at the newbie Matrix 9

In newbie Matrix 9 JK + 1 shot BP is balanced by unlimited shot Roleblocker.

The fact both PR claims died and two outstanding means scum don't have a roleblocker.

This means scum weak power which necessitates scum in remaining PR claims.

Both confirmed PR claims*

Back to work for me. But that setup you proposed Dunn is weak as fuck against two unlimited shot PRs.

VOTE: Moutthblade

Manuel is clearly town-aligned...

I forgot ira was in this game

Same, until I saw the day start PM.

In post 1812, iraonavp wrote:VOTE: Moutthblade

Manuel is clearly town-aligned...

Explain how Manuel is "clearly town aligned" when his claimed role doesn't fit within the given setup. All he did toward the end of day yesterday is try to impede the infinity lynch.

I can confirm that I am not scum.

@Dongempire I have to disagree with you for that, I don't believe JarJar is scum, and I am most certainly NOT shitposting.

Went back and ISOed Infinity to try and see what he did, and I feel pretty comfortable that JarJar + S_S is Town.

Either Manuel or Dunnstral is scum though, and given the outrageous about of Town power, I'm inclined to lynch Manuel.

VOTE: Manuel

Mathblade, I don't think you can draw any useful conclusions from setup spec while so much is unknown about the scum power. I personally think the setup would be balanced by a goon and either a roleblocker or a ninja/strongman JOAT (though I do agree that Dunnstral's idea is a bit harsh in that it provides scum absolutely no protection against the Watcher).

In post 1793, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 1791, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 1786, JarJarDrinks wrote:

In post 1785, Dunnstral wrote:Jarjar was ignoring logic in order to bus infinity as hard as possible.

Bwhahaaahahaa

Ignoring logic OMFG!!!?!!!!!

In post 1694, JarJarDrinks wrote:Infinity is still scum for @ least the following reasons:
- Absorber cannot absorb the mafias kill therefore he is lying
- Gamma didnt see anyone else target therefore he is lying

That is as logical as can possibly be bro. Infinity was proven to be lying therefore he is clearly scum.

YOU were the one that ignored logic to hard-defend scum.

If you're town Dunn then you need to swallow your pride and realize that you played like an idiot yesterday.

I'm gonna reread and will likely be posting a case against S_S today.

I want to see this actually

because I was thinking that there's a chance you might be lynchbait and that I'd have to watch for that today, but this should make it pretty clear whether or not that is the case.

OK just in case anyone is wondering how to read this, here's what S_S is saying to me:

"You better not push my lynch because I'm gonna jump on your wagon if you do."


But I'm gonna save you some time here. There is no point in trying to determine if I'm lynchbait. I've played in around 15 games on this site and have NEVER been lynched. There's never even been anythng resembling a real wagon on me. I can guarantee you that nobody that has ever played mafia with me would ever call me lynchbait.

Do you think that I could have realistically expected you to NOT push my lynch? Given the lack of support for your lynch thus far, do you think I would expect such a veiled threat to effectively deter you from pushing me?

In post 1814, iraonavp wrote:Same, until I saw the day start PM.

I actually believe this.

In post 1816, XnadrojX wrote:I can confirm that I am not scum.

@Dongempire I have to disagree with you for that, I don't believe JarJar is scum, and I am most certainly NOT shitposting.

Went back and ISOed Infinity to try and see what he did, and I feel pretty comfortable that JarJar + S_S is Town.

Either Manuel or Dunnstral is scum though, and given the outrageous about of Town power, I'm inclined to lynch Manuel.

VOTE: Manuel

Potential JarJar partner found. @Xnadroj why do you think that your reads on me and JarJar are better than either of our reads on each other? What about Infinity's ISO makes you so sure neither of us could be his partner? Why does either Manuel or Dunnstral have to be scum?

Universal Roleblocker is out for scum would have roleblocked Gamma and killed someone else unless his reads are right and he was killed for that and a PR is a coincidence.

Which brings us back to voting Manuel.

So universal roleblocker is unlikely.

Therefore it doesn't make sense for all this town power. I have faith you will understand.

In post 1815, MathBlade wrote:

In post 1812, iraonavp wrote:VOTE: Moutthblade

Manuel is clearly town-aligned...

Explain how Manuel is "clearly town aligned" when his claimed role doesn't fit within the given setup. All he did toward the end of day yesterday is try to impede the infinity lynch.

No, it's not true.

It's impossible for manuel to randomly fakeclaim in the middle of the day! He's just a newbie who got trapped by Dunnstral's speculation.

You know as well as I do that the Normal Game Aristocracy give excessive town-aligned roles because the players are so incompetent...

In post 1816, XnadrojX wrote:I can confirm that I am not scum.

@Dongempire I have to disagree with you for that, I don't believe JarJar is scum, and I am most certainly NOT shitposting.

Went back and ISOed Infinity to try and see what he did, and I feel pretty comfortable that JarJar + S_S is Town.

Either Manuel or Dunnstral is scum though, and given the outrageous about of Town power, I'm inclined to lynch Manuel.

VOTE: Manuel

Why are jarjar and ss town-aligned from infinity's posts?

In post 1235, Manuel87 wrote:

In post 1226, Transcend wrote:Like sorry for the wifom, but you just flat out saved me

I am 99% certain he didnt save you.
But i am also 90% certain you didnt get blocked from killing.

So because thats cleared now lets lynch scum
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

See, he's confirmed as town-aligned now.

In post 1822, iraonavp wrote:

In post 1235, Manuel87 wrote:

In post 1226, Transcend wrote:Like sorry for the wifom, but you just flat out saved me

I am 99% certain he didnt save you.
But i am also 90% certain you didnt get blocked from killing.

So because thats cleared now lets lynch scum
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

See, he's confirmed as town-aligned now.

VOTE: Unvote

Good point.

I am rereading tonight. This much power doesn't make sense. Something is off.

In post 1818, MathBlade wrote:Universal Roleblocker is out for scum would have roleblocked Gamma and killed someone else unless his reads are right and he was killed for that and a PR is a coincidence.

and you know this... why?