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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:37 am
by Taly
TW
being a potential SK is low priority right now. There's no CC, I'd even question a CC at the moment, and he
did
shoot a scum PR with an argument to say he's town to have done it.

If
TW
were solo scum, his gameplay is greatly up for later scrutiny or restriction based off the town KNOWING he has a killing role.

Scum would likely want him dead, regardless of his alignment. I'm not doing the Mafia's dirty work.

So I'm not focused on
TW
right now.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:41 am
by Taly
Hit
being scum has crossed my mind

But I have multiple people I strongly feel are scum
OR
better lynch options, and there
IS
a town-case for
Hit

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:43 am
by Taly
Inferno's
messy

But it's town-messy, if that makes sense.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:47 am
by Taly
In post 1799, Raskolnikov wrote:D (MagnaofIllusion, Andrius, xyzzy) - Geriatric/Other
Lynchbait, based strongly off the gamestate

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:03 am
by Skygazer


I didn't wagon xyzzy. Like I did whatever the opposite of that is.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:27 am
by Taly
ISO - HeWhoSwims ((Him In The First 500 Posts))


Shows a depth of thought that I don't think comes from scum usually in a game.
-
He explains why he likes
Inferno's
stance in RVS
-
Discusses a reality where
Elbirn's
entrance could give a scum-benefit, something to note
Asks a question and
Sky
answers after that, doesn't seem noteworthy imo.

HeWhoSwims
gives a somewhat neutral perspective on
Rask's
entrance

But he further iterates how scum would likely JUMP onto
Rask
for his entrance in
-
He's aware of scum's potential motives but he doesn't forecast what scum would do in depth
-
With bringing up
Profii
here, it feels like he's also willing to see this from a town perspective because he's not pushing him
HeWhoSwims
post just seems to go against what he believes would be a potential scum-agenda.

is him bringing up
Gustavo
and saying that
TW's
fluffposting isn't really NAI for him, moving on...

Is basically trying to get a more articulate response on
TW
from
Brass
in my eyes.

This is another post that makes me think
HeWhoSwims
is town, if not a very competent scum.
-
Brings up, probably from his own experience, of how
Gustavo
works D1
-
Tells
Gustavo
upfront about his inconsistency, but doesn't drive that as a central point to call him scum like other people have
HeWhoSwims
here seems like someone who's looking between the lines of conflict in the game and trying to discern what's scum-indicative or not, which I think is a town trait, usually.
This mentality is expanded on when he tells
Elbirn
about his own approach to 1v1s. Unlike
Elbirn
, I like that he has his own structured view of how he sees 1v1s, whereas
Elbirn's
question here feels open-ended and geared towards driving a reaction from someone on how they SHOULD feel about a 1v1.

I think
Elbirn-HeWhoSwims
is unlikely at the moment, and in same breath,
Sky-HeWhoSwims
.

is when
HeWhoSwims
calls
Inferno
on his unhelpful stance over
Gustavo
, notice how he's not discrediting, dismissing, or shading
Inferno
unlike someone I'm voting right now?
I'm also assuming that his reply to
Brass
indicates that he townreads him to a degree.
is yet another post that replies to
Gustavo
about the suspicion on him but isn't jumping on that bandwagon or really buying into it.

This post is an agreement with
Ausuka
that involves
HeWhoSwims
stating that neither
profii
or
Rask's
posts/entrances were scummy.
In contrast to
Elbirn-Sky-Xyzzy
taking a disliking for
Rask's
entrance, and
Sky's
longer-term vote on
profii
, I feel like this post shows that
HeWhoSwims
is looking deeper into people's motives for votes and is willing to place a stance that contradicts other players' notion, but in a way that actually outlines his thinking.

This is the opposite trend I'm finding with my scumreads in this game.

I also like that he points out self-votes are bad to
Gustavo
because they are abysmal, and while town or scum can say this, I like that this is brought up.

Agrees with
Rask
about
Dram's
posting on
Inferno
being off... I don't think a scumbuddy would do this?

Reinforces his stance on
Gustavo


Early Assessment:
Mostly in his earlier posts, I don't see any red flags. I think it's normal for town to take a passive approach earlier in the day. While I don't think this strongly town-indicatives
HeWhoSwims
, he's not scummy to me here. He's also very unlikely to be associated with
Elbirn-Sky
just by his own reads and progression.

Notes-

-
Has had interactions with
Elbirn-Sky
but not
Dram
so far, those interactions don't seem fabricated.
-
HeWhoSwims'
uncertainty on
TW
looks natural considering that it's almost impossible that
TW
is groupscum.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:27 am
by Taly
ISO - HeWhoSwims ((From Posts 500 to Present))


Finally a higher-content post.
-
Likes
Hit's
post where he votes
Sky

-
Brings a
GREAT
point of
Sky
-scum to
Brass
... If
Brass
can't find anything memorable about
Sky's
posts, that
COULD
be exactly what makes them scum based off approach.
-
Asks
Sky
about why she thinks
Dave-Chick
are scum to her
This is the opposite approach
Elbirn-Sky-Dram
took with their scumreads where these 3 ignored them,
HeWhoSwims
, while he hasn't provided a lot of his own sole content, has actually been gauging content from others, even people he believes who are scum.

Is a readspost from him.
-
Townreads
Inferno and Brass
to an extent.
-
Seems to be waiting for
TW
to get more involved as I was D1.
-
Suspects
Dram, Sky, Chick

...All in all, I think these were pretty strong reads, they're close to what I have now.
After reading the thread more, ISOing, and being involved with the playerlist, I have a better understanding of his posts toward me in and

HeWhoSwims
replies to
Rask's
question.
-
Elaborates on his scumread on
Dave/Me
slot, and says that
TW, Chick, Me
are a pool on
Flub
with potential scum in it.
Chick
for her lack of engagement - is an individual read he expands on here.
-
Still isn't fond of
Dram's
which is both reasonable and something I don't think a scumbuddy would point out.
-
Dislikes some of
Hit's
posting and reiterates his
Sky
scumread.
This post is full of reads and a response that articulates his view of the gamestate which I think is pretty astute and something people have overlooked.
While I don't like how open-ended his reads are EoD1, this
"would vote"
list aligns with his stated scumreads.

Probably the one post I dislike from
HeWhoSwims
, just feels like he's pushing back on
Hit's
assessment over peoples reads involving him.
L-3's
Hit
.

Still has a larger lynchpool but it makes more sense.
Question to HeWhoSwims: In this post, do you think Elbirn pointed out Sky's sheepy scumreads in order to make distance between them?


HeWhoSwims
responds to my reply and expands on
Chick
a bit more, and why he would vote there.
-
L-4's
Dramonic
and even notes this...
....yeah not seeing him as scum with
Dram
.

OK actually, COULD be associatives, but I'm not too keen here.
-
There was a valid reason to NOT lynch
Dram
after his claim[/b].
-
HeWhoSwims
votes
Hit
but not
Sky
... because there's no wagon?? Egh.
I don't like the look of this, but this WAS essential EoD1 so I can't blame him here.

His D2 posts have just been him saying he wants to catch-up because the game pace just kicked it up a notch with
Dram's
death.

Early Assessment:
Any iffy or borderline-scummy post that
HeWhoSwims
makes, I can see town rationale for it. With
{Xyzzy-Dram-Flub-Hit}
all being wagoned closer to EoD1, and with other people being suspected consistently throughout that dayhase:
{Sky, Taly, Chickadee, TW}
but WEREN'T wagoned EoD1, I can say the gamestate was heavily in scum's favor. Town was in a chaotic state, and I think a push on
HeWhoSwims
because of his later D1 posts would be perpetuating this. Looking at him as a whole, I think he's more likely town right now.

Notes-

-
By no means is
HeWhoSwims
locktown to me, but there's plenty of better lynch options IMO.
-
If
Elbirn
AND/OR
Sky
flip scum, I think that'll point to
HeWhoSwims
-town.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:28 am
by Taly
Elbirn
is at L-3

Can we get him to L-0?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:32 am
by Skygazer
Okay yeah after reading up just now I can see profii as scum and profii makes sense as an Elbirn partner too. I can do iso's if anyone wants but here are some general points I've noticed while phoneposting:

He seems hyperfocused on analyzing the Rask wagon and doesn't seem to want to do much scum hunting beyond that. He continuously throws shade at me during D1 but avoids voting (early on possibly to avoid being read as opportunistic after HitAlt pointed out his honey pot and later on probably because my wagon had no momentum anymore). I would argue that myself and flubber (now that he's flipped town) were very safe scumreads to have in this game. He also keeps throwing shade at Gustavo/Taly, another safe scum read to have at that point and possibly a good candidate for a mislynch as well assuming my read on Taly is correct. He throws a tiny bit of shade at dram but never pushes hard and never even comments on the claim either, so that's sus. Then there's his vote on the xyzzy wagon that comes out of nowhere, basically jumping ship from flubber to a different wagon (also a likely mislynch) with little reasoning beyond momentum.

As others have pointed out there's also a ton of information instead of analysis. It's also interesting to note that he really doesn't talk about Elbirn at all or dram until the wagon forms.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:35 am
by Skygazer
When Elbirn flips scum we'll have two scum down so I'm fine with being a mislynch after that tbh especially if it keeps me away from lylo situations. After that though, please consider looking at profii.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:36 am
by the worst
do you usually sound this confident as town skyg?

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:40 am
by Skygazer
My whole life can be summed up as overconfidence alternating with massive self-doubt so sure

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:08 am
by the worst
ugh same
i'm so scared you're scum and you're just too cool to accurately read >':

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:35 am
by Taly
I
haven't
heard Town say they'd be
"fine with being a mislynch"
in a game where Town wins.

I
have
heard Scum say they'd be
"fine with being a mislynch"
in a game that Town wins.

So I'm not swayed by
Sky's
recent posting over her alignment.

I will say that is a good reminder for me to ISO
profii
individually, I'll probably get to that tomorrow if everyone's too slow to cast a vote on
Elbirn
.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:36 am
by Taly
TW
, I thought you'd be trying harder to convince me you are a Town Vig at this point in the game.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:37 am
by the worst
why would you think that? o.0

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:39 am
by Taly
It's D2. I no longer have gut reads in this game.

But some of them are still fickle, and you haven't talked about your reads much in this dayphase.

So I really can't gauge what's going through your head.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:40 am
by the worst
it'd be like distinctly disadvantageous for me to lay all of my reads down rn

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:42 am
by Taly
I'll take that at face value rn then.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:45 am
by the worst
<_<

i'm not gonna let scum go through the "should we kill tw because he's gonna b2b2b2b blast townies?" wifom. i'm either sorted by nk or i'll eat the entire scumteam

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:57 am
by Taly
Image

k ily <3

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:00 am
by the worst
CORRECT I'M WONDERFUL

been a while since i rewatched scream queens tbh

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:43 am
by Pine
==> Vote Count 2.1 <==

With 15 votes in play, it's 8 to lynch!




Play progresses around the table, and Pine is pretty free with his help, asking for treasure in return. With so many players, he gets to help several times, and manages to collect the Boots of Butt-Kicking (+2), a Vorpal Blade (+3, or +13 if the monster starts with J), and a sweet Go Up A Level card (Boil an Anthill!). So when it comes around to his turn, he's in a pretty good position...but still not strong enough to solo...the Bigfoot!


Image


Looking around the table, he offers the first pick of treasure for anyone to help, but no one's interested. He sighs, and offers the first and third pick. Still the only help offered is from one of the other players, an Elf with a Bow With Ribbons. He'd beat the monster, but...the opponent would get a level out of it. Oh well, can't be helped. The two players combine their strength, and take down the Bigfoot. Damn! There's another Go Up a Level in there, which the Elf takes in addition to the level he's entitled to. Pine does manage to snag the sweet Shield of Ubiquity, though, which suits his class. Even better, the third treasure is just a Ten-Foot Pole, which is useless to the Elf, as his hands are already occupied.


[L-3]
Elbirn - the worst, Inferno390, Skygazer, Raskolnikov, Taly
[L-7]
MagnaofIllusion - Ausuka
[L-8]
Ausuka -
[L-8]
brassherald -
[L-6]
the worst - Chickadee, HitAlt
[L-8]
HitAlt - xyzzy
[L-8]
Skygazer -
[L-8]
Inferno390 -
[L-8]
Chickadee -
[L-8]
xyzzy -
[L-7]
HeWhoSwims - brassherald
[L-8]
Raskolnikov -
[L-8]
Taly -
[L-8]
Andrius -
[L-8]
Profii -

Nursing their beer (Not voting)
- Andrius, Elbirn, MagnaofIllusion, Profii, HeWhoSwims

Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:35 am
by Inferno390
Note on the flavor:
An elf wouldn’t be able to use a 10-Foot Pole anyways. They’re too short.

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:36 am
by Inferno390
In other news, I think Skygazer’s Profii call above is a deflection tactic to try and take the focus on the association between her and Elbirn. Not liking it.