In post 1787, Alchemist21 wrote:Do we really need policy lynched in a game with so many killing roles that there had to be a limit on how many can die at once?
Eh, maybe not. I just dislike having players like those in lylo.
However, we have no idea if they are town kills or not. If they are not, than yeah policy lynches day one are still fine.
The way the rules are set out implies Town and scum get killing powers.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:04 pm
by hebichan
That's fair.
Can we lynch thor over clem then? I think thor's iso is worse in general.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:06 pm
by Clemency
i also am supportive of the wagon that is not me thanks
In post 1769, Varsoon wrote:And who's scum for their positions re: Chickadee
Why are you so interested in who I scum read off the Chick wagon when you aren't doing this yourself?
'cus you called it bad and I want to see how much depth there is to that assessment.
I'm also sticking to my guns on my Bujaber read because it feels like that's the counterwagon to Chick even though the Bujab wagon's been around since before the Chick wagon.
Can we lynch thor over clem then? I think thor's iso is worse in general.
I’ll switch if either Clem starts looking Towny or you show me a reason more convincing than what was shown to me about Chick.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:25 pm
by Varsoon
Like you understand that if you throw shade on a whole wagon but don't go more into who's doing what wrong for which reasons, it's basically just pointless posturing, right?
I'm trying to strike at where you might just be bullshitting. If you're bullshitting, I can slice through that. If you're real, I get to know more about your reads and it makes reading you a little easier because you're a huge question mark.
Usually, you piss me off and that lets me know you're town but you've been pretty pleasant so far.
In post 1671, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'd omgus the shizz out of you if Majiffy's replace out hadn't happened. So why vote before you've even read the game? Why am I scum?
Never said I hadn't read, I said I hadn't read much. I felt like some of your posts where this kinda go with the flow type posts.
In post 1603, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I wouldn't mind a Thor wagon either if some momentum started happening there. I can't really explain my read as it's mainly just a gut feeling that he's playing strangely and doing the bare minimum.
The chick wagon is understandable.
In post 1511, CheekyTeeky wrote:They're tag teaming wisdom for misquoting. But yeah I see it
Right well if you had actually read instead if coming in so bullheaded then you'd see you're misrepping me.
I have wanted Thor dead because he's straying so far from the town meta I remember him for after a shaky start where he jumped on me to sheep him on a RCE vote which seemed premature early on, and felt manipulative.
In post 79, Thor665 wrote:RVS, wasn't aware that meant I couldn't see something slimy, point it out, and increase wagon strength.
Oh...wait...it doesn't.
So why are you asking empty questions and not sheeping the wagon?
This seems defensive, I was trying to see if you had other reasons to suspect him. I'm happy sheeping RR for now.
In post 1444, CheekyTeeky wrote:Guys I'm pretty sure Thor is scum. If there is a vig I'd shoot that if we don't lynch him today.
Talk to me about this: what are you seeing?
He's got no fire, no smartass attitude. Like this post seems pretty forced in tone.
In post 1438, Thor665 wrote:I am horrified that we are 58 pages in, with three three vote wagons competing.
I'mma do what I can to help;
Don't know Pinturiccho, so no sheep energy there.
Wisdom don't get sheepage.
RR...maybe.
Majiffy, sure.
Varsoon looks town.
DGB sure.
VOTE: BuJaber
Now we have a 4 vote wagona three vote wagon and a two vote wagon - excitement!
I'm assuming Bu/Thor aren't SvS or in the same team though in a multiball they could be 3pvS or 3pv3p. The point here is that I've been watching him from the start of the game and he's been pinging me the whole time.
You left out my justification for my change in read on chick...anything looks bad out of context.
I don't believe your tunnel on creature anymore like as town I think you'd reassess or take a step back when he's more active instead of calling for more pressure on his wagon especially with the opportunistic votes from The Jif and Hebi.
In post 1441, CheekyTeeky wrote:Chick you even said that if he was active you'd unvote but you're doing the opposite.
I'm not hard scumreading her. I think her push on creature makes the votes understandable plus her retracting her creature vote after our confrontation was weak and made it feel like her tunnel on Creature was disingenuous. I wouldn't mind chick flipping but I would prefer Thor or BuJaber as they're particularly slippery as scum ime.
The comment on RR vs Daveaz was me affirming a stronger TR on RR and acknowledging that they do seem to either have another means of communication or are just both easily indignant over wisdom's style. Not sure how this is going along?
You could just read the effing game properly. I dislike explaining myself or having to clarify my positions just because you've hacked at my ISO.
In post 1672, Thor665 wrote:Because I'm currently on a job working really long hours.
Why do you find me doing the bare minimum scum indicative?
I'll ignore you complaining about me nitpicking at your statement since apparently you don't like being scumhunted
I dislike your approach to me in general this game and it's not just that you're doing the bare minimum it's that you're lacking your usual townie arrogance and drive to lead.
So many people have said this about so many scummy players that I just gotta ask why.
If you take a snapshot of all the controversial players you've called town this game gamma, you have to realize that its highly likely at least one of them is scum.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 1:14 pm
by Alonzo
VOTE: Gamma
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:34 pm
by davesaz
Eek a naked vote.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 2:39 pm
by Alonzo
eek a naked man
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:40 pm
by Thor665
In post 1809, CheekyTeeky wrote:I have wanted Thor dead because he's straying so far from the town meta I remember him for after a shaky start where he jumped on me to sheep him on a RCE vote which seemed premature early on, and felt manipulative.
If you know my town meta (or, hell, even my play concept) why do you find my sheep so questionable exactly?
Also, besides low activity (which as far as I'm aware is meta neutral for me) what else am I doing different from my average town game?
In post 1591, hebichan wrote:Honestly this is starting to get pretty egregiously bad. HE's setting up a bunch of leading questions to shade wisdom for no real benefit here.
I'm not askign any leading questions.
I *AM* setting up a situation that shows Wisdom is being silly.
Why is that shading if it's true?
And if it's not true - how is what I'm saying not true?
@Hebichan
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:22 pm
by Tails
I'm back. I'm reading. Won't comment on things unless I find it important to do so.
Might do a little real time interaction, but don't hold your breath.
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:25 pm
by Fortian
I feel like there is significantly more to the Chickadee suspicion than what has been expressed in the thread, so it saddens me that a common perception is that she's being wagoned for not doing much. Granted, I haven't even properly expressed my reasoning for thinking Chickadee is scum, so I will do so now.
A summary of my suspicion of Chickadee is that I think a lot of her posting is “trying to look like she’s helpful and doing stuff” without actually having much in the way of genuine thought process behind her posts.
If you look at her early posts, she's quick to comment on things in a "helpful sounding" manner, with the odd probing question here to look like she's being an inquisitive townie, but she doesn't ever go anywhere with any of her questions, nor is there any evidence that she actually cares.
I feel like 788 is a good example of a post where Chickadee is obviously trying to look like she's doing something, but again, no evidence that the answers to her questions here will actually influence her reads etc.
Chick's comment on Mala losing her townread on Toog in 1203 also reads as inauthentic. As revealed later, she thought Toogeloo was town but didn't personally scumread Mala for losing her townread on Toog. Yet none of her posting really explained why she made the comment to begin with, supporting my belief that much of Chickadee's posting is saying stuff for the purpose of looking like she's doing stuff without actually thinking or caring about where her questioning leads or what people's alignments might be.
I feel that the Creature read has been talked about to a sufficient degree. I don't personally really mind that she was using his lack of posting as an initial reason to scumread him. That alone could come from either alignment. However, I do agree that her response when he does start posting just doesn't fit. And when she's pressured on the fact that Creature is posting, she unvotes, however with the comment that she still doesn't like the content that he is posting. In this situation, I would expect town to continue voting Creature. Sure, Chickadee said that she would unvote if he started posting, but she has expressed that she still suspects the slot. Why not just say "yeah he's posting but I still think he might be scum". The unvote seems like pandering to the town in order to not look too bad, rather than a genuine thing.
Lastly, my impression was that Chickadee appeared to be trying very hard to post in a composed and self-assured manner, with a lack of vulnerability that I find concerning given that her actual content was all over the place. I would have expected town-Chick to be a bit more open with her struggles to keep up with the game or her difficulty in forming reads or whatever, given that, if Chickadee was town here, she obviously was finding it difficult to engage with the game. But obviously I don't think she was town.
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I'm pretty keen to see more from Clemency because, while I am more suspicious of that slot than anyone else, I'm not totally confident that Chick was scum. I have written a lot of words in this post, but my case is not as strong as the length of the post implies imo. Still, I'm very supportive of votes on the slot and would probably quite happily lynch the slot.
In post 1591, hebichan wrote:Honestly this is starting to get pretty egregiously bad. HE's setting up a bunch of leading questions to shade wisdom for no real benefit here.
I'm not askign any leading questions.
I *AM* setting up a situation that shows Wisdom is being silly.
Why is that shading if it's true?
And if it's not true - how is what I'm saying not true?
@Hebichan
It's not true implying that wisdom is scum and hes scaredd of his scum buddies. That's an opinion till he flips.
You call him scum several times without voting him, that's shading my dude.
In post 1591, hebichan wrote:Honestly this is starting to get pretty egregiously bad. HE's setting up a bunch of leading questions to shade wisdom for no real benefit here.
I'm not askign any leading questions.
I *AM* setting up a situation that shows Wisdom is being silly.
Why is that shading if it's true?
And if it's not true - how is what I'm saying not true?
@Hebichan
It's not true implying that wisdom is scum and hes scaredd of his scum buddies. That's an opinion till he flips.
You call him scum several times without voting him, that's shading my dude.
I actually am pretty sure I've only called him scum by joke parroting his silly question to me.
Am I wrong in that recollection?
Don't think that counts as 'several times'.
So whassup?
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:01 pm
by Tails
Can someone explain to me why we're not voting the Drew hydra anymore? Because I just finished with the RR nonsense, and I really want that slot dead.
long time no see.