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In post 1799, Disaster Artists wrote:I mean that being the case, I would find it very surprising that Insomnia would say to vig me only because he isn't townreading me yet, especially when he himself has acknowledged that his early game wim is low, and particularly in this game where the dayphase comes to a screeching halt twice a day while events take place.

In post 1799, Disaster Artists wrote:So I thought it was a particularly bad take from a slot I was townreading, my kneejerk reaction was to write him off as scum for it and then I played with it in my head for a bit more and decided his specific head might still need to die if he was going to start proposing vig shots today since I think that's almost objectively scummy.

In post 1800, Prism wrote:

In post 1799, Disaster Artists wrote:I mean that being the case, I would find it very surprising that Insomnia would say to vig me only because he isn't townreading me yet, especially when he himself has acknowledged that his early game wim is low, and particularly in this game where the dayphase comes to a screeching halt twice a day while events take place.

Do you think this is scummy for him? I'm still working off of the posts where you seemed to imply he was likely town but deserving of a shot anyway.

In post 1799, Disaster Artists wrote:So I thought it was a particularly bad take from a slot I was townreading, my kneejerk reaction was to write him off as scum for it and then I played with it in my head for a bit more and decided his specific head might still need to die if he was going to start proposing vig shots today since I think that's almost objectively scummy.

My issue is that your reaction to multiple posts was that these reinforced your view over the course of about 40 minutes, and you do go indepth about why you think they're scummy (Even though I think the contradiction between self-preservation and outing a general scumread explains much of it)

There's no explanation of why you flipped to him being a VI except for the "if insomnia is having one of his moments" which sounds like would have been one of the first things you thought of, way before "flipping the meta from this specific game"

In post 1800, Prism wrote:My issue is that your reaction to multiple posts was that these reinforced your view over the course of about 40 minutes, and you do go indepth about why you think they're scummy (Even though I think the contradiction between self-preservation and outing a general scumread explains much of it)

There's no explanation of why you flipped to him being a VI except for the "if insomnia is having one of his moments" which sounds like would have been one of the first things you thought of, way before "flipping the meta from this specific game"

In post 1733, The Searchers wrote:Ugh, another 14 pages...

In post 1339, NL wrote:Dang I missed the event. Time to wait for the next one

Also yw for catching the prod Gify

We'd love it if you posted something of substance...

In post 1396, Imperium wrote:Neighborhood power best power you take that back right now!

This 100%.

In post 1414, NL wrote:VOTE: Imperium

???

In post 1429, Imperium wrote:maria seems to be actively trying to get lynched ATM
there aren't jesters and so she's really just lazy as fuck town

That's still pretty low town equity. I agree that the NL hydra is currently a bad lynch, but I would be 100% okay with a vig shot headed that way.

In post 1451, Latias and Latios wrote:btw anyone who expressed the sentiment those who are sniping events are scummy, if you're not default SRing MariaR you're gonna need a good reason why

-Latios

Their slot is null because they have yet to do anything alignment-indicative. This clearly an instance of being lazy, not necessarily scummy.

In post 1506, Despair Night wrote:Lol fuck me for having to decide which is the scum in Imperium and Spiffy

Lol JC should get shot lol he’s scum lol

~som

Couldn't they both be town?

In post 1509, Despair Night wrote:Do it, you won’t!

~som

I have to admit, I think part of my scumread on you id playstyle related. That being said, I'm not convinced you are town, but I do need to reevaluate your slot.

In post 1519, Cappy wrote:This interaction looks so fake lol

- Silver Bullet

Yeah, I agree it sounds pretty off.

In post 1594, Black Hole Defection wrote:

All three of the COs Silver Bullet, John Cena, and insomnia, seem to mainly be yelling about whether the plans they're showing eachother are forgeries or real.
I am unsure about two of them, but CO John Cena's plans is the easiest for me to understand, which makes me most confident they are genuine. He cannot think of a way CO insomnia would use a CO Power as Orange Star without good vision on his target, so even though he can't figure out what the Black Hole Plan must be, there's only two nations on this planet. I can remember thinking this in similar battle moments. I don't follow CO Cappy's and CO insomnia's plans as easily.

I've been skimming quickly over their posts. This is useful info to have.

In post 1654, Blake X Yang wrote:This engagement was rather enlightening, thank you.

Disaster Artists, Black Hole Deflection, and Cappy are all confident townreads at this point.

Latias and Latios is no longer a townread.
Despair Night can go either way. I don't believe Insomnia's contributions to this engagement were particularly town or scum indicative.

-Blake

What made you downgrade your Latias & Latios read?

In post 1704, Despair Night wrote:Searchers town

~som

:O Well I guess you were more annoyed with us than anything.

~Ircher

In post 1805, Latias and Latios wrote:And Prism, you're gonna have to tell me what you mean by that.

In post 1771, egospray wrote:After that readslist

In post 1809, Disaster Artists wrote:Damn your ninjas.

Anyway I still want Gamma to explain why he thinks his play here is fundamentally distinct from Overkill 2, and which game he was even referring to where I said he scumreads me consistently. Since you made a big deal of being treated as an equal, maybe answer the questions posed to you

-JC

Krazy wrote:Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

In post 1813, Disaster Artists wrote:Also, I will pretty much always encapsulate generalized patterns of scum play as either alignment so I still really don't get why you're arguing a summary of someone's play toward me will be AI

In post 1812, Disaster Artists wrote:lol

you're tilted but you literally are misrepresenting what I said

Subject: Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

Krazy wrote:Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

I did not say you ALWAYS push me as scum

I said you have ONLY pushed me as scum -- which is to say that, as town, you have not tended to push me (regardless of my alignment)

now I was scum that game but it wasn't a lie at the time, you had not tended to push me when you were town

It's also quite different from my read of Pink Ball who I think we were discussing at the time where in both of our s/s games he never committed to a townread on me which doesn't necessarily tell me his s/t play toward me but does suggest that his scum play toward my slot will veer toward an undeveloped scum-read

so yes, you scumreading me (with you town) does continue to go against the grain.

You're right I did miss you saying ali v Pine somehow so sorry about that. Now why is this not your overkill 2 play?

-JC

In post 1814, Equitable Androids wrote:

In post 1813, Disaster Artists wrote:Also, I will pretty much always encapsulate generalized patterns of scum play as either alignment so I still really don't get why you're arguing a summary of someone's play toward me will be AI

Is this saying you are mislynch bait?

~Titus

In post 918, The Searchers wrote: My meta is pretty rusty admittedly
I just recently reread Mafiaception which is ancient (but still gold haha)
Why don't you have other SRs?
I will look at that game

SC