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In post 1782, Datisi wrote:

you shoot Radical Rat. a faint giggle is heard coming from Aristeia.

Radical Rat was a

human subject

.

your head starts ringing. a pounding headache follows shortly after.

Aristeia was a

malevolent AI

.

malevolent AIs have scored their final point.

current scores:

human subjects - 2

malevolent AIs - 3

you fall unconscious. endgame incoming.

:/

Wow. should have trusted my wifom on Dann/Kuti

Gg, extremely well played Ari.

Thanks for modding Datisi.

very glad to see there was oreo discourse in the dead thread, everyone ignored me here :<

dann had the right gut instinct on it though that is 100% a post i make as scum

Sorry to Dann, Vulture/Greeting and RR. I think it’s probably important to vote and push that read. Ya know, there was a tiny part of me that was really glad that Ari wasn’t there to drive the vote. I guess I should have listened to that tiny inner voice.


Loved the setup would play again. I’m wondering if scum should be able to get a point with a d1 miselim?

Anyway I really enjoyed this but I definitely understand Dann’s VG déjà vu.

Being dead town and totally unable to defend yourself is truly hell.

But despite losing, I really had fun in this game.

This playerbase was amazing all around. It's always nice to see when everyone is a winner

And the host is obviously a saint

GG

Thanks for modding Dats <3



Town played extremely well imo despite the disappointing outcome.

The scumhunting on D1 was very sharp and town mostly did a good job of finding each other and making it extremely difficult for scum to win any thread control - our path to victory was incredibly tight and we had an extremely large amount of lucky breaks go our way esp with the universal suspicion of Dann on d2. I feel like we rolled extremely high on our luck checks multiple times.

A few shout outs for some people that I felt played especially well on the Town Side:



FireIsRedSir,

Like this person is just so good at the game I think he should be nerfed or something. His day one iso was a work of art it was so good and on point. He basically spends it voting one scum then voting another scum then voting another scum - I think I lost count? I'm sitting here going "uh can we just kill someone already?" but he was hellbent on catching the whole team on day one?? just amazing play imo.

His conclusion to day one post was a beauty:

In post 898, fireisredsir wrote:prob like 3 of [rr, kuti, kitty, roden] plus 2 of [bell, ari, GL]

if kitty is scum then scum want cred for flipping there and want to pivot that into a town leader position

flipping kitty here is not bad tho. i think it's more likely to be scum than vivax

I think I spit out my drink reading it.


His great play continued on Day 2 where he was the town voice that was loud, correct and nearly bent the tide the other way - being correct about so many elements of the thought process behind Dann - Kuti matchup.

like

(1) risk-loss aversion [which scenario hurts which side more]
(2) scum team throwing a hail mary because we are so far behind
(3) why are we even using wifom?
(4) Bell is a scumbag and trying to repel people by his stench[I lol'd so much at this]

He was so close to convincing GL/Loki to flip the other way that I made up some random bullshit about Kuti being town and threw it at a wall and somehow it worked.

At endgame you also came the closest to figuring out that my timing is somewhat too convenient etc. I am just so impressed with his play throughout the entire game.


Dann,

Sorry to have to get rid of you early - I was super annoyed when you said that line about Kitty being actively sacrificed while Vivax was a mislim - your instincts about game state, what the scum team is doing and things that are off were prescient and you had great thread presence while holding your cards fairly close to your chest. it made you impossible to really manipulate or prepare for and we had to get rid of you early.

I know it must've been so frustrating watching the town careen off course once we put you in the test - I was giggling a bit at how lucky we got.



Thanks to my scum team for never vetoing any of my harebrained ideas and being patient with me while I vented about nonsense in the scum PT <3

I really liked the setup, one of the most tense and fun to play for sure. Balance-wise, I think it's fine.

I didn’t want to look too obvtown straight out of the gate. I wanted to get a feel for the gamestate and try initially to look as null as possible. Also I really was totally exhausted and I confess that I still haven’t read thar d1 post fire made about GL.

And while it’s definitely a bummer we lost, Ari played extremely well.

as frustration as watching D2 was from the dead pt, this was overall a really fun experience to play and watch

great player list too!

also aristeia, absolutely fantastic balance between putting your foot on the scale just enough to tip things in your favor but never in such an obvious way that you lost your town cred from D1

I think I mostly just got lucky that the town went the wrong way on their initial instincts on the lims I needed so I never really had to exert a lot of push to get what I wanted.

It wasn't really something I could rely on or predict.

I do agree with you that the setup feels pretty townsided but it was very exciting to play

fire was too good and I thought he had to be scum because of it >.<

<3 ari

you were nuts, i didn't go into it at the time but the d4 was so good. idk if it was planned to bait RR into turning on you awkwardly or if that just worked out conveniently but that removed one of the biggest barriers for you which was why would anyone pick town you for a test

v impressed with the crazy plays you and the team pulled off, i did for a while think that if anyone was the scum mastermind behind it all it would be you, but in the end it was too wild for me to believe

the RR thing at the beginning of the day was designed to give him a motive to pick me if he was scum because scum!him would know that town!me would vote for and advocate for him being scum so he might as well take me so that I am not loudly screaming for his head when he is asleep.

the way he awkwardly pivoted on me was another unexpected lucky break that I got.

still wild to me that kuti and roden both voted vivax

that was the point that sold me

just seems crazy to rely on being able to win that roden test, but hey, i guess it worked

In post 1812, Aristeia wrote:the RR thing at the beginning of the day was designed to give them a motive to pick me if they were scum because scum!RR would know that town!me would vote for and advocate for them being scum so they might as well take me so that I am not loudly screaming for their head when they are asleep.

the way they awkwardly pivoted on me was another unexpected lucky break that I got.

fixd for pronouns. sorry RR!

The lesson here is that everyone should listen to me more /s

In all seriousness though, strong showing from both sides, scum earned their win. I wouldn't have suspected Ari at all if not for her challenge on voting Vulture, but I wasn't able to effectively convince people on that. And then my hesitance to vote definitely reflected poorly on me, so as frustrating as it was, I totally get why I was chosen instead.

Definitely would play this again, really interested in the scum side of this setup, seems like you'd be playing an entirely different game.

GG, and thanks for modding.

Ari was definitely the MVP for the scum team, I feel like she made some miracles happen. I wish I'd done more than just create WIFOM, but it turned out ok in the end.

Vivax was probably the biggest underdog this game though: he went from being an easy test choice, to getting locked in as town and having pretty good reads.

Also, yeah I agree that the setup was fun. I knew WIFOM would play a part in the tests but it ended being a much bigger factor than I expected. I think this setup becomes terrifying if it's a game full of power wolves.

As a spectator, I'm probably not qualified to comment but I think that the game seemed pretty balanced.
Anyways, well done to scum!

If anything, I'd say it's probably scumsided, but I don't think it's by a huge margin. Just the nature of being able to push Townies who can't defend themselves, being able to pick your 1v1s, and traditional scumhunting not being possible after D1 seem to tip the scales a bit, not to mention the sheer number of scum in play.

Although the scumteam inevitably being revealed over time and scum presence diminishing regardless of how well they're playing does do a lot to balance those advantages, I think the scales are still tipped somewhat in scum's favor.

Congratulations to the mafia for a deserved win.

Thanks for hosting the game Dats, you did an excellent job and the setup is really good too.

In post 1791, Dannflor wrote: I think it was a fun setup but it might need a couple more runs to root out any actual problems. It feels like all the scum hunting needs to happen D1 as there's a lot of WIFOM in the later days and you really only have one factor to scum hunt off of

I said that on Day 1, but literally everyone ignored me.

Didn’t deserve win. I’m sorry. Got carried. Thanks Ari and gg all.

I didn't play too well. GG.

scum pt has been released, and the md thread for this setup is unlocked again. thanks again for playing!