Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't want to lose our hood. Freedom or none is okay with me.

[MathBlade]

@Nahdia does freedom mean all mausoleum topics never expire?

If so, do the old topics become unlocked?

Might want to PM Nahdia this.

@Creature not really feeling the RC vote. If you want to pressure them you can but with a cop check on you you are as good as conf town. The only way you are scum is with a Vecna and I don't see that so I would prefer you have hammer.

Catchup starting now.

Oh, so now you no longer see me as scum? Or would I be too selfish and protect myself instead?

Expecting a lot of scum protecting scum today

The statement was about Creature.

The only way I see Creature scum is with you plus Luck.

That doesn't mean you aren't scum and Creature town.

The latter is more likely but the first is a moon logic scenario.

[Alisae]

Eh tbh the thing with Freedom is that if we have more time, it'd be more impactful for me.
Order in the short term might be the way to go.

Quoting for relevant, since my last page browse saw talk about the zimbabwe suddenly being in play.

If you care, I have majority of my support in Freedom atm. Order shuts down scum daytalk and that's great an all but Freedom will help out the town much more.

[MathBlade]

For Freedom!!!!!!!!

[Vecna]

Continuing wall-style

Creature is town.
Math is town.
JaeReed is town.
RC is town.
PV is probs town.

RC isn't Town.

hohoho, what caused the swing from undermistakable read to not being town?

Sure, let's stop being merciful and start punishing scum-like play.

When you say scum-like play you mean having an incorrect read on Nero?

No, having an unrealistic read on Nero.

Not completely unrealistic - but willing to do anything to manipulate people to vote it at least. Also at this point in reading, im quite sure RC has the vig.

tbh Creats, I was mostly giving Pine the benefit of the doubt.

People I haven't sorted/scum is most likely all in this pool. If you're here don't panic, this just means you aren't a strong TR I'm confident in.
{Comm, Leon, Gork, Vecna, LUV, nancy, Caesar}

Not panicking, but what happened to your strong townread on me yesterday? Because I can tell from my PoE theres scum in your townreads

btw remind me again, did anyone try to build Terracotta Army?

Noone claimed it and its probably not in play....unless scum didnt manage to get the ruhr, or someone was docsaved from it. Given how the game has gone, I feel the last is a real possibility - and RC is now fishing for luv's wonder to determine his dayshot in case he gets lynched.

Let's vote cloudkicker slot then

I was waiting for you to suggest this. NOT HAPPENING, scum

[Vecna]

Alisae, davesaz got a no result (and Notice, if town, probably was roleblocked), Caesar claims he couldn't build Great Zimbabwe (or he probably got it and is using to another purpose).

Who did you roleblock this night creature?

[Alisae]

Not panicking, but what happened to your strong townread on me yesterday? Because I can tell from my PoE theres scum in your townreads

It's not as strong as TB, Creature, Math, Jae, or RC is right now.

[Leonshade]

I'm the Brandenburg Gate. I rolestopped davesaz.

Either scum roleblocked me, or they strongman vigged davesaz. Only one kill suggests the former, my claim to go for the Brandenburg Gate was public and I wouldn't have had the time to change my build request due to the quickhammer.

If scum had both vigs and the roleblocker, they could've just won last night. So either they don't have the first vig, or they don't have the strongman. Third option is that the first dayvig got roleblocked/protected.

I wouldn't put it past RC to fake-CC for reactions, whereas I don't think town!LUV is the type to gambit with a fakeclaim (someone correct me on this if wrong, but LUV's town play tends to be straight-forward). I don't know why scum!RC would lie about having the vig either, so LUV probably has the vig regardless of alignment.

[Alisae]

lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao oh no you don't girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl

[Alisae]

All RC needs to do is use it on someone and then you get rekt.
No Lion King gifs are gonna save you now.

[Leonshade]

Now I get it.

"If you were town you'd have a good idea" no, if I was scum I would have a good idea. As scum I'd have four other heads to parse through this information, as town I've got 600 pages to waffle through and try to remember. This WIFOM serves to confuse town, not scum.

But now I do understand.

I wrote this post when I realized that nancy was probably lying about her Great Zimbabwe claim.

Though I expected her to have build it D4, why did she wait and go for it D5? Any thoughts TB?

[Leonshade]

I'm town, Ali.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's the kind of thing that nancy does and she's not scum for it.

[Alisae]

Leon this was discussed. She fished for reactions D5 to see if anyone built it before trying to go for it.

[Leonshade]

That seems like something she'd do.

Yeah, nancy/TB is town, I didn't take the GZ claim as a scumclaim because I realized she was lying.

[Leonshade]

Ali, if RC has the vig why would LUV fakeclaim?

[Alisae]

idunno?
Audino?

[Alisae]

[RadiantCowbells]

Because LUV (as scum) doesn't have it but also doesn't know whether I went for it or not so they need to keep up the pretenses until they know for sure what they're claiming since they said they were going for it.
Or LUV (as town) is trying to reaction test the group and see what happens.

[MathBlade]

I think Leonshade is town here and whatever RB'd Davesaz on the nancy Nero day hit Leonshade.

[Leonshade]

Fishing for a CC does make sense as the scum motivation.

The town motivation makes less sense to me, why risk forcing the CC out?

[Vecna]

Creature your reads are shit you don't get to say that

because I'm confident that Cloudkicker is scum and I am not confident that Caesar is scum

And does RC who knows that the fuck they're doing burn all their towncred and get themselves lynched before MyLo? I would never have pushed that as scum unless it was my buddy

You would, because Nero could stop you from getting the vig. Maybe your NK or Vig got stopped last night by a docsave eh? Plan ruined RC? There wasnt supposed to be another day today? Im betting somewhere between this point and live - Luv comes in to state he was blocked from getting the vig (if I wasnt wrong about him being town that is).

I can do gorkington

Youre going to do a real reads list with reasons today, or YOU will be the lynch. No discussion possible. In fact, prepare to get your ass lynched regardless.

Who wouldn't do Gorkington? I think Vecna and who else?

Im realizing too that im wrong somewhere in my reads - im not sure whether its LUV, Gorkington or Mathblade being town is wrong. Maybe 2/3 even, but less likely. You being scum with all your hard-townreads is looking more and more likely every day.

I feel like Vecna's play yesterday indicates that they knew that Nero was flipping town and that they were setting up to lynch me and nancy.

Right now I read scum as something like Vecna/Gorkington/Cloud/x/x

Oh please, I was allready pointing out that everything you did was to flip-flop around to keep me viable yesterday for later days. Im not sure who you were protecting (leonshade, gorkington or both.....) - but you came in to divert our action.

I feel like Vecna's play yesterday indicates that they knew that Nero was flipping town and that they were setting up to lynch me and nancy.

Right now I read scum as something like Vecna/Gorkington/Cloud/x/x

If Vecna is scum to you please look at LUV RC.

LUV didn't argue with Vecna's bad plan.

The only thing you could argue was that my assignment of gorkington was bad. You then came with a counter-plan that was IMPOSSIBLE mechanically. Shut your mouth with this nonsensical rambling. And look at RC trying to pocket you now. This is how today is gonna go; Potential vig on a town-person - then 6 town vs 5 scum. They pocket the 1 gullible town, and scum win.

Guyz I wanna give that friendly reminder that Pine is very anti-bussing.

Meaning? He's been pushing only 3 people all game, of which 1 I know to be town, and 2 that could be town (but of which more uncertainty exists atm).

I will claim after LUV.

What.....? WHY?

[Alisae]

I think Leonshade is town here and whatever RB'd Davesaz on the nancy Nero day hit Leonshade.

And someone was supposed to figure out Leon went for the rolestopper because how?

[Leonshade]

I think Leonshade is town here and whatever RB'd Davesaz on the nancy Nero day hit Leonshade.

And someone was supposed to figure out Leon went for the rolestopper because how?

My build request is still currently on Brandenburg Gate. I'll go for the vig if need be, but it would be much easier if LUV just agreed to play ball.

My posting time for today will be ending soon-ish, no idea if I'll have time to post tomorrow. A flashwagon doesn't look likely, so we should be safe at the moment.

Nero was quicklynched before the next time I was online.

[Vecna]

We know scum has three wonders.

They /probably/ have both vigs, and Leaning Tower, and daytalk, and IC wonder, so I think they are full up on slots. If they somehow didn't take Leaning Tower then they probably took Bolshoi or a different wonder yesterday. I don't think it's likely they have any free slots at this point.

If they have both vigs, one of em got wasted already since theyd have endgamed us last night.