Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Consigliere]

....wow

Yeah, I fucked up and forgot to count Steven Hacking.

Unvote

Give me a moment.

WHOOO!

PERSISTENCY BREAKTHROUGH!

*does happy dance*

Please lower your ego. I'm one of those players that admits wrongdoings, but that doesn't make it fun.

Give me some time to do some math with non-skewed results.

You used caps and head slams against me...I get a happy dance.

Just fair baby.

[DemonHybrid]

Yeah. I'm sorry about that.

I swear to god I thought I counted it right..

"Ok! Ok! I must have, I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
"THIS IS NOT A MUNDANE DETAIL, MICHAEL!!!!"

[Mariyta]

oh yes I agree, but the fact it was brought up when its confirmed they can't be is weird to me.

Please explain to me how it's confirmed that they can't be scum/scum can't have kid fakeclaims.

Also, Jason quoted Sens' posts.

Threats to town

. I was just a threat to Bart. I only had one kill. He was the only one I would shoot, and when he died by someone else's hand, I lost my shot.

Mari's claim was just too shit to ignore. Either she's being as dumb as Mist was or she's scum. I doubt she's dumb, so...

You can call my claim shit, but don't you dare fucking call me dumb with the way you've been playing.

And like I said, I know you guys are going to lynch me. If not today, it'll happen tomorrow. But I say again:

Do not subtract me from Sens' scan count. You will only screw yourself.

@Cons: Let's get into semantics here. You keep saying "does not have the best interest of the town in mind." Sens said "threats to the town." While both phrases are similar, they are not exact. Your mutilating of Sens' statement is going to come back and bite you in the ass when you realize you still have another lynch to go after me.

UNVOTE: diddin Not sure if I'd rather vote Cons or SA at this point.

By the way, it was ribwich who mentioned kids at first (so don't go bitching at me about it, Jason). Clearly, that info is shit, so disregard my earlier comment.

[jasonT1981]

oh yes I agree, but the fact it was brought up when its confirmed they can't be is weird to me.

Please explain to me how it's confirmed that they can't be scum/scum can't have kid fakeclaims.

Bart, Lisa and Milhouse are dead already

[Mariyta]

*headdesk* That doesn't prove that no kids are scum or that they can't be fakeclaims. In fact, it's already been proven that they can be fakeclaims. So why are you so hitched to this theory that they simply cannot, in any way shape or form, be scum?

[jasonT1981]

But at that time, you were a threat to town.. Bart was town... you were a threat to him.. and therefor a threat to town also if you had a hit on a town member.

Also, was Ribwich not meaning Bart & Lisa when he first talked about kids as scum though? thats what I am getting at.

[jasonT1981]

Meh, im tired.. going to bed. 1am night all.

[Mariyta]

There are kids aside from Bart/Lisa. But anyway, it doesn't matter as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just hoping someone will read what I've said after I flip and realize they still have to lynch either Jason or DH.

[DemonHybrid]

I'm pretty surprised jason wasn't killed yet, actually. So...hell, I don't know. I'm not going to break open the pinot noir quite yet.

I find Consig more genuine, so I want a SA lynch. Lurky player is lurky.

[jasonT1981]

I can't help the way the mod casted the roles yo. TBH I wouldn't be surprised if Bart or Lisa were the scum roles. The less obvious would be more obvious. The closer we are to danger the farther we are from harm. etc etc. take your pick.

I am what I am regardless, can't change that. Believe it or don't.

Hmm...interesting choice of characters you just put there. I have role related info that suggests that either there are kids in the mafia or that there's a second scum group made up entirely of kids. I find it very interesting that you chose two kids that you're surprised would have scum roles, almost as if you know one of them is a scum role.

EBWOP: two kids that you're

not

surprised would have scum roles

Yes, I am right... the convo about Kids being scum was Bart/Lisa as scum and info relating to a group of kids being scum which is now proven to not be.

We were not talking about fakeclaims, Mar.... we were talking about kids being scum.. something you said yourself TODAY when the kids have been confirmed not scum.

Didn't someone say that there are kids who are scum? If that's the case, look closely at Consig.

NOTHING ABOUT SCUM HAVING KID FAKE CLAIMS.

So yes, how does that mean we should look closely at Con?

[jasonT1981]

I'm pretty surprised jason wasn't killed yet, actually. So...hell, I don't know. I'm not going to break open the pinot noir quite yet.

I find Consig more genuine, so I want a SA lynch. Lurky player is lurky.

Me too. I can only assume WIFOM purposes because it had been talked about making sure I was lynched if I was alive day 5/6 and look.. i survived that long.

Ok, now I am really going to bed. Night ya all

[diddin]

Jason is confirmed non-nuclear due to his (apparently successful) protections of Benmage. Unless he is not actually doc, of course, which would mean there is a real doc out there.

I'm so glad you noticed that DH. We can go back to being friends again .

Honestly I was considering self-voting due to all the insistence I was scum.

Vote: Sleepless

in case I'm not already.

[Consigliere]

oh yes I agree, but the fact it was brought up when its confirmed they can't be is weird to me.

Please explain to me how it's confirmed that they can't be scum/scum can't have kid fakeclaims.

Also, Jason quoted Sens' posts.

Threats to town

. I was just a threat to Bart. I only had one kill. He was the only one I would shoot, and when he died by someone else's hand, I lost my shot.

Mari's claim was just too shit to ignore. Either she's being as dumb as Mist was or she's scum. I doubt she's dumb, so...

You can call my claim shit, but don't you dare fucking call me dumb with the way you've been playing.

And like I said, I know you guys are going to lynch me. If not today, it'll happen tomorrow. But I say again:

Do not subtract me from Sens' scan count. You will only screw yourself.

@Cons: Let's get into semantics here. You keep saying "does not have the best interest of the town in mind." Sens said "threats to the town." While both phrases are similar, they are not exact. Your mutilating of Sens' statement is going to come back and bite you in the ass when you realize you still have another lynch to go after me.

UNVOTE: diddin Not sure if I'd rather vote Cons or SA at this point.

By the way, it was ribwich who mentioned kids at first (so don't go bitching at me about it, Jason). Clearly, that info is shit, so disregard my earlier comment.

Conceded semantic...I actually went back and the "best interest of springfield" was in regards to players flipping blue in color...I mixed the two after looking back.

Here's the background:

Post 991:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2766869

Fuck it, I've softclaimed enough times that I'm going to claim, since I'm no longer an info role.
First of all, I call your attention to the End of Day votecount from yesterday:

Vote Count 19

Mist7676 - 13 -

hiraki, SensFan, jasonT1981, The Fonz, sottyrulez, DarlaBlueEyes, LlamaFluff, KageLord, DemonHybrid, Nero Cain, Mariyta, boberz, ribwich

Not Voting Mist7676 - 11 -

tvellalott, Benmage, Wraith, Mist7676, Deer, diddin, Tragedy, Steven Hacking, Sleepless Assassin, Nachomamma8, Lowell

Now, for the claim.

I'm

Lisa Simpson, 1-shot Sensor

.
Hopefully this explains satisfactorily why I called bullshit on Mist's original "I can talk to other members of my family at Night" claim. But obviously that's not the only reason I claimed; I used my power last Night. There are exactly two threats to the Town that were on the Mist7676 wagon yesterday.

Now, there's two reasons I'm claiming now. The first is obviously that this could be very valuable information as more people flip, and I wanted to make sure I got it out there before I died. The second is that the majority of the anti-town players were off of the Mist wagon, which is interesting in more than one way. In addition to the obvious 'We have higher odds on lynches of people off of the Mist wagon', I'm also curious as to why so many scum stayed off of what looked like an easy mislynch. I think it was Fonz that mentioned yesterday that Scum had no reason to jump to the VI-Town wagon if there were multiple Competent-Town wagons that were viable, and that looks like it may have been the case.

Post 1052:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2768109

Alright, just got confirmation from the Mod. There are exactly two players who were on the Mist wagon that have wincons that go directly against that of the Town. No sanity/immunity issues to worry about.

Post #1416

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p2782266

Pay the hell attention, this is like the third time someone has asked me. There is absolutely no wiggle-room, exactly two anti-town roles exist on the Mist wagon; no false positives, nor false negatives.

___________________________


"Threats to the town" was his actual first statement. Then he went to moderation and stated: "Wincons that go directly against that of the town" as a clarification.

Your win condition was killing a town-sided player when those senses went down.

Are we going to argue killing a town power role is not directly against that of the town?

I mean, I guess the town "could" win even if you got Bart.

However...What if you live until the last night and your kill sinks the town into even with scum? That possibility alone makes it a direct threat, does it not? Do I even need to go further into semantics? Your action COULD sink the town...officially....at that point when both you and Bart were alive.

Soup to nuts: I'm telling you...Fireworks in the endgame if you are telling the truth and didn't get sensed with that kind of win condition/role action in play. Every fiber of common sense I have tells me that your win condition was not in the town's favor...Not one friggin iota. YOU WANTED TO KILL BART SIMPSON. It really seems that simple to me...but maybe I'm just a simple guy.

*shrugs*

Bring on Sleepless.

[DemonHybrid]

I think we'd be okay to lynch jason before Mari, given that Consig really isn't scum and we lynch a scum SA, just to make sure. Not saying that's set in stone, but it's an idea. We certainly have the amount of people to do it if we lynch scum SA and not town SA. The claim SEEMS made up, but it doesn't really seem that out of whack, given that there's a 2 shot sensor, a faith healer and a friggin PRIEST in this game.

[diddin]

If SA flips Springfield though Jason is confirmed town.

[Hiraki]

Yuck DH. I was shipping you out of tiredness and you failed me.

Jason can wait until tomorrow then.

Unvote, Vote: SA

[DarlaBlueEyes]

unvote vote SA

[DemonHybrid]

That would make SA L-1?

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 7-3

Consigliere(0)-
DarlaBlueEyes(0)-
DemonHybrid(0)-
diddin(0)-
hiraki(0)-
jasonT1981(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(4)-diddin, DemonHybrid, hiraki, DarlaBlueEyes,



Not Voting(4)- Sleepless Assassin, Consigliere, jasonT1981, Mariyta,

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch. Deadline is March 17th at 1pm (EST)

[DemonHybrid]

I don't think we're getting a claim from SA. We could wait or lynch him now.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

lynch him nowwwwwwwwww!

[DemonHybrid]

I'm going to do some more maths before the lynch. Un momento.

[DemonHybrid]

One scum from this list:

hiraki, jasonT1981, DarlaBlueEyes, DemonHybrid, Mariyta

(downgraded from one to two scum, because we have a claimed 3rd party) One scum from this list:

Consig, diddin, Sleepless Assassin

ONE SCUM

from this list:

diddin, Mariyta, jasonT1981, DemonHybrid

Some of the possibilities:

Possibility #1: One of Sleepless or Consig is scum.
Diddin is confirmed town.
One of Mari, JasonT and DemonHybrid is scum + possible 3rd party (Mari, if not scum)

Possibility #2: diddin is scum, satisfying the requirements on both Green and Blue wagons.
One of hiraki, DarlaBlueEyes is scum. Again, possible 3rd party, would be claimed Mari.

Am I missing anything?

[DemonHybrid]

diddin, how does your vote restriction go? Does it not count or do you get modkilled?

[DarlaBlueEyes]

I can unvote so he doesn't have to hammer