Mini 1,573: How Do You Want to Die? (Game over!)

[Titus]

Anything else can be wifomed. I look for anchors. I look for confidence. I have Bubba and GM as towntelling. SG is probably town b/c her resistance to lynch town, but given her waffleyness, I'm not so sure on this one.

What is it you are looking for if not a tell (which I define as conclusive proof of town or scum)?

[Antihero]

Antihero, It seems all I'm getting from you guys is OMG GM is scum. I'm seeing content from her, taking positions with leading questions in all of her posts, precisely what I see from GM.

So I want something specific. Something I can hang my hat on for GM scum. I don't believe the town slip is wifom. Rather, I believe people are trying to wifom it away for confbias.

think about it this way... fuck trying to read gm herself. we're obviously so divergent we won't get anything done.

look at what's happening in the overall landscape of the game.

the GM lynch has the backing of BOTH conftown (and we're both pretty loud about it). IF goodmorning was really town, why wouldn't scum be all over that shit? they would have complete plausible deniability (well, Antihero was really the ... what did Squirrel call it?... the

ramrod

of the lynch).

instead, you're seeing a lot of flak, particularly from Squirrel. bubbajack's refusal to take a stand on the issue futher stymies the progression of the wagon.

you think the GM wagon is scum-driven, Titus? then who is it? it's not me. then it's Snork? if so, then why aren't Snork's buddies coming to finish off the wagon?

contrary to what Squirrel would have you believe, this wagon progression does NOT point to goodmorning being town.

[Antihero]

but given her

waffleyness

, I'm not so sure on this one.

yes... go on........

she was so for the jingle/goodmorning team before, but now that guy's gotten cold feet, she suddenly doesn't want to lynch goodmorning anymore?

awfully coincidental, isn't it?

[Snork]

Antihero, It seems all I'm getting from you guys is OMG GM is scum.

It seems that I continue to provide reasons and you continue to pretend they don't exist.

Here, I've bolded them for you:

Titus,

re: gm, I got the feeling that she is feeding on Pants/ika's faulty analysis. It comes across extremely opportunistic, as well as the fact that she's apparently been "LA" the entire game,

which doesn't exactly fly.

I'll look at gm with fresh eyes tonight but I see an ISO pushing for deep analysis

and not giving any of her own

.

FTFY.

Are you for serious... do you not remember any of why I was suspected on D2? For uh...

defending Reinoe? Except I backed it up with fucking facts and analysis and gm was just sitting on the sidelines going "ehhhhhh"

GM is now effectively a counter wagon and there is, let's see:

ZERO resistance to lynching Jingle and ummm

A THOUSAND POUNDS of resistance to lynching gm.

Pants - plain and simple - no resistance to Jingle lynch, loads resistance to GM lynch. There is your answer.

Well actually.. I was gonna amend that to say that if gm is town, Titus is probably still scum cuz of the hard defense/white knighting, and

gm hasn't done anything to dispel suspicions on Titus,

and then I realized that probably makes gm more likely scum than Titus, but if gm IS scum then Titus definitely is. I think that's really the only thing I have for those two. If either flip town, the other is still scum cuz there's no reason to behave this way between two townies who have had very little interaction otherwise during the game, so I'm inclined to believe if there's a town among them, they aren't both.

... what fake hammer? There was no fake hammer. I love how SG is flipflopping now. I love how

the GM wagon is magically disintegrating despite her behavior not changing at all.

GM has been giving excuses all game long. The

entire game

. Every time, it's a different excuse.

Titus, if you're town, why are YOU ignoring that in lieu of a fake fake-hammer, and a non-existent townslip? You say I've ceased to analyze, but it's you who has done so.

Why is everyone ignoring how

the Jingle wagon has practically 100% support and the GM wagon is getting resistance from multiple people? It's certainly not because GM is towning it up. She's still making excuses and putting off explaining her reads.

I mean come on. If you're that busy that you can't

play the game

... We're at 73 pages and we're still getting excuses from her.

Come on now. I don't even understand why this is a point of argument. This isn't even the only reason she's scum.

[Antihero]

pants, we need to bring you in on this because Titus apparently enjoys being the honorary mafia goon.

[Titus]

Jingle wagon has

1000 pounds

of resistance according to your standards, namely, you, SG (why didn't her vote flip over despite Jingle obvscum), Guyett, and Jingle.

The GM wagon doesn't have Pants screaming loudly for GM wagon. The closest I've seen Pants come to the GM wagon is something along the lines to end the day.

Snork, that wall is basically what GM says is worthless. I want something along the lines of "This post was bad because it was fenceshitty." I want analysis NOT conclusions and arguendo.

Antihero, I don't think guy's hesitance is why SG backed off. I think she's responding to Guyett's fakehammer response.

The reason why scum couldn't finish off the GM wagon is because they are leading it... duh. You can't finish off a wagon you are already on. Jingle, Snork (who still can't grab analysis, despite claiming logical player) and Guyett... unless bubbajack is just playing scum insanely well.

[Titus]

pants, we need to bring you in on this because Titus apparently enjoys being the honorary mafia goon.

Antihero, you are being the honorary mafia goon.

Suppose for a moment, even though I know you don't believe it, GM is town. What would you expect to see here?

[Antihero]

The reason why scum couldn't finish off the GM wagon is because they are leading it... duh. You can't finish off a wagon you are already on. Jingle, Snork (who still can't grab analysis, despite claiming logical player) and Guyett... unless bubbajack is just playing scum insanely well.

oh yeah? well why is jingle not voting it and why was guyett wavering on it?

your theory doesn't make sense.

[Snork]

I'm town and so is anti. So where are the scum on the gm wagon?

[Antihero]

The GM wagon doesn't have Pants screaming loudly for GM wagon. The closest I've seen Pants come to the GM wagon is something along the lines to end the day.

not true

Anti I'm agreeing with a lot of what you're saying

[Snork]

This is infuriating. I'm not doing this anymore. Lynch whoever you want.

[Titus]

Jingle was. Guyett wavered because we fucking roll them.

Your voters are Jingle, Guyett, GM, Antihero, Pants and Snork. If GM flips town at that point, scum cannot have two mislynches. As if the three of Snork/Guyett/Jingle gather around the mislynch they are pushing based on OMG me no like obvcontent, they try to turn around to SG, but what, one of Anti/bubba/Pants (depending on who is alive) will see that.

I seriously think we might be in a situation where NO wagon gets through today without you and Pants agreeing on the best wagon. If I'm the honorary goon, I get mislynched... then what? Scum get rolled. Scum chicken out entirely. We can play Russian Roulette on wagons. Everyone offers themselves up to be lynched in an effort to prove LOL me town.

Also, Pants agreeing with a lot of what you're saying doesn't mean Pants thinks Jingle is the best lynch.

[Titus]

ika cracked this setup, I'm following ika. ika's cracks are rarely if ever wrong.

You and Pants should discuss this. The rest of us should just shut up and you make your decision.

[Antihero]

I seriously think we might be in a situation where NO wagon gets through today without you and Pants agreeing on the best wagon.

WE HAVE. IT'S GOODMORNING.

you and scum are the ONLY people holding it up.

what do you think is the town motivation in bubba's total ignoring of GM's recent wagon/activity?

[Antihero]

ika cracked this setup, I'm following ika. ika's cracks are rarely if ever wrong.

You and Pants should discuss this. The rest of us should just shut up and you make your decision.

well ika didn't think goodmorning was town, so i'm a little baffled by that....

[Antihero]

titus, i'm going to be dead tomorrow. you will be free to do whatever the hell you want.

IF we lynch goodmorning, she flips town, and i'm still alive tomorrow, i'll let you have your way.

[Titus]

Antihero, if that's the case, you should have 5 votes to wagon GM, you don't need me and it should be obvious that I was wrong and I'll have to not trust ika's cracks. The fact you are so persistent means you don't have the five votes and you know it.

I can say the SAME damn thing to you about the Jingle wagon. Only you are holding it up.

ika was doubting me as town before nightfall. He came back and said Jingle (not me) was the best lynch. He and Pants must have sat down and cracked the setup entirely. Now, you have been derailing a scumlynch because LOL too fast when ika (through Pants) told us scum would bus. Then we (collectively) offer up goodmorning as an alternative and damn look what happens...

[Titus]

titus, i'm going to be dead tomorrow. you will be free to do whatever the hell you want.

IF we lynch goodmorning, she flips town, and i'm still alive tomorrow, i'll let you have your way.

All I want is for you to have a discussion with Pants and listen to ika's logic on Jingle!scum.

[Antihero]

ika was wrong about a lot of things this game, so i don't know why he's the ultimate authority to appeal to...

[Antihero]

Now, you have been derailing a scumlynch because LOL too fast when ika (through Pants) told us scum would bus. Then we (collectively) offer up goodmorning as an alternative and damn look what happens...

yeah, that's a dumb argument considering that the only overlap in the jingle/goodmorning wagons is me.

[Titus]

ika was wrong about a lot of things this game, so i don't know why he's the ultimate authority to appeal to...

ika hasn't really been wrong about me that much. I was an information lynch. MastinSSK looked like obvscum due his hammers. ika also is an expert on me and how I play the game. We've been playing with each other for a little more than two years now. How many times have I fooled ika as scum... zero.

So yeah, I trust ika's town hunting skills.

[Titus]

Now, you have been derailing a scumlynch because LOL too fast when ika (through Pants) told us scum would bus. Then we (collectively) offer up goodmorning as an alternative and damn look what happens...

yeah, that's a dumb argument considering that the only overlap in the jingle/goodmorning wagons is me.

No. Pants pushed Jingle early. If you believe he now wants GM (which I'm just seeing resignation there) you both are the overlap.

[Antihero]

.....and we're the conftown.

your argument of "scum would bus jingle" suggests that the overlap should be made of scum.

[Antihero]

So yeah, I trust ika's town hunting skills.

and he never called GM town.

[Titus]

Which is why I want to know exactly the end beliefs ika came to. He never pushed GM as scum much either.