Mini 1637- Pokemon Generation I uPick (Game Over)

[TierShift]

Flames, I don't think the watch was transferable.

Pie, I have another important to say that clears me, unless you can thinkthink of some other way that I can be scum. That's why I want you to answer that now. Your previous post gave me the idea for it.

[pieguyn]

oh

psychic isn't a targeted ability. it's an active ability with no target. when used, you get a neighborhood with *anyone else who also used it*.

[Flames682]

Pie didn't use watch she used neighborhood

pedit: hmm

[pieguyn]

Formerfish was killed Night 3.

He was

Mewtwo, Oak's Pokemon

.

Mewtwo

Mewtwo

The Genetic Pokémon

Psychic

Pokédex Information

It was created by a scientist after years of horrific gene splicing and DNA engineering experiments.

Moves

Psychic

- Attempts to establish a Psychic connection with other Pokémon. If others used this, a neighborhood will open at day start containing all of them. It must be repeatedly used in order to be maintained.

Hyper Beam

- During the day, you fire a laser that knocks a target out on contact, however you are not revealed. This cuts off any Psychic connection you had, and prevents a new one from being established the next night.

Oak's Notes

- This Mewtwo only seems to have enough juice for one Hyper Beam currently.

Alignment

You are one of

Oak's Pokémon.

You win when all threats to

Oak's Pokémon

are dead.

It is now Day 4.

[Flames682]

yes i saw

[Flames682]

Bert why did you use rolestop on Espeonage N1?

[pieguyn]

Pie, I have another important to say that clears me, unless you can thinkthink of some other way that I can be scum. That's why I want you to answer that now. Your previous post gave me the idea for it.

no

how many times do I have to repeat this? you CAN. NOT. CLEAR PEOPLE. BASED. AROUND. ROLES. I can think of at least 2 viable explanations OTOH for this, but I don't particularly care about finding an explanation. what I care about is YOUR PLAY - I have reason to think everyone else is town, and then we have you who is acting scummy.

the only thing I really think role-related explanations hold much water is in cases like Flames' where there is no role speculation involved. if whatever you're using to "clear" yourself would involve role spec, I don't care about it

[pieguyn]

btw: a town player would not need to use my arguments to "prove" to everyone that they were town. they would just be cleared, and could say as much.

your push here is coming from a scum mindset - you hope to trap me into a position where I can no longer push you as scum.

[Boonskiies]

Boon, current read on Pie? You ended D3 saying this was super scum pie

Meh, I can't read pie. I'd rather lynch Tier over Pie today regardless, because A) we lynch ScumTier or B) We lynch TownTier and can leave Pie to die to the perish song.

Boon
Flames
Bert
Seo
Tier/Pie

I don't like that Seo just happened to have redirected Tier to Pie or the fact that Seo did not doing anything on Night 2.

[Boonskiies]

Boon, current read on Pie? You ended D3 saying this was super scum pie

Meh, I can't read pie. I'd rather lynch Tier over Pie today regardless, because A) we lynch ScumTier or B)

We lynch TownTier

and can leave Pie to die to the perish song.

Boon
Flames
Bert
Seo
Tier/Pie

I don't like that Seo just happened to have redirected Tier to Pie or the fact that Seo did not doing anything on Night 2.

This is inferring that I believe his claim does what he says it does if he ends up being Town.

[TierShift]

btw: a town player would not need to use my arguments to "prove" to everyone that they were town. they would just be cleared, and could say as much.

your push here is coming from a scum mindset - you hope to trap me into a position where I can no longer push you as scum.

This is simply untrue. You have accused me of trying to discredit you and trying to push you into certain positions, while as a matter of fact, I haven't. I've tried to work with you from the start of day 4. The only thing I've consistently told you is that if you're scum, you can just give up. That's not discrediting.

It's in both scum and town's best interest to clear oneself. I came into this day thinking my perish song would be enough (well, I was thinking you would be told you were going to die rather than just that your perish count dropped), but during this day I found out another thing that should confirm me (Seo's redirect), unless I somehow escaped it. I'm trying to think of things that could have actually made me escape this. If there aren't any, I should be confirmed town.

So, all I'm asking is this: please think of

something

that would make me possible scum in this situation. Please. If there isn't anything this whole group of people can think of, it's completely and utterly insane to keep pushing me as scum.

[TierShift]

I think you being skeptical about me being conftown is okay-ish, but you pushing that I'm scum for trying to prove that I'm town is ridiculous.

[TierShift]

Boon, I think seo confirming that he can redirect kills is indicative of town. He didn't offer any alternative explanations for me being scum either. His behaviour, for as far as he could see, would take a possible mislynch, me, away.

How do you feel about that? Why am I lower on your list?

[TierShift]

I feel boon is playing to a scum wincon to an extreme extent with his latest readpost and not even a thought to if I should be lynched at all. He also already puts forth a candidate to discredit to get him lynched tomorrow.

However, I'm not 100% yet that scum is within boon and pie. If I cannot confirm myself, I'll have to scumhunt and hope I get it right.

[TierShift]

I have another thing for pie but I'd really really rather have he'd stop being uncooperative and try to find a possible explanation for scumTier killing FF.

[Bert]

Bert why did you use rolestop on Espeonage N1?

for the same reasons I considered using rolestop on you last night. i never knew my ability could be described as rolestop.

so in case this is misunderstood:

if i were to target flames682 last night, boon's JK wouldn't have worked. However, a factional kill targeting flames682 would have worked. So it was a catch 22

[Bert]

and if that doesn't explain my role enough - if i had used it on flames last night, barring role madness stuff then flames would have been able to track someone

again, assuming people have the abilities they claim to have

[Bert]

and if that doesn't explain my role enough - if i had used it on flames last night, barring role madness stuff then flames would have been able to track someone

again, assuming people have the abilities they claim to have

I'll look up Perish/Parish song in a bit on my comp

I'm Cubone

I have this ability called Boomerang. I can target a player and nullify non-killing actions that another player takes against my target

I targeted Espeonage N1. I for some reason was being dumb and thought he if town might just be role blocked or copped (as almost everyone in Nat games has a power that seems powerful on the surface), and then after he ended up dead N1, I decided I wouldn't target anyone the rest of the game as it seems so negative utility

So yeah no actions N2 or 3. That's it

[pieguyn]

I have another thing for pie but I'd really really rather have he'd stop being uncooperative and try to find a possible explanation for scumTier killing FF.

1. you seem to be acting like I don't have any possible explanation for you being scum here. I've outright said already that I do. I've also explained why it's anti-town to actively spend time discussing it.

2. you claim you haven't been trying to discredit me, but that's exactly what this post is.

3. it is true that it is in town's best interest to clear themselves, and to have everyone else realize they're town. what I find scummy is HOW.

if you were town, and legitimately cleared, all you have to do is explain to everyone why you're actually cleared. for an example of this, see what I did when I replaced in - I just laid it out immediately for everyone to see.

that's not what you're doing. you're attempting to get me to say something, which you would then use to "clear" yourself.

if there was a compelling reason for clearing you, you would not need to bother doing this. you're doing this in order to posture against me and make me look worse so that I can't call you scum without looking bad. you're doing this because you don't actually have a fucking reason for being cleared, and you're hoping no one notices.

I feel boon is playing to a scum wincon to an extreme extent with his latest readpost and not even a thought to if I should be lynched at all. He also already puts forth a candidate to discredit to get him lynched tomorrow.

However, I'm not 100% yet that scum is within boon and pie. If I cannot confirm myself, I'll have to scumhunt and hope I get it right.

this is the kind of thing I'm interested in and I agree with this to some extent

tell you what. I've laid out my thoughts on Boon's D3 play already. how do you see the vettrock interactions making sense as scum x scum? I still don't really see it making much sense and I'm not sure if I'm just missing smth.

[Boonskiies]

@Tier - Not a thought about if you should be lynched at all? I definitely feel you should be lynched...I thought I made that clear. I said that yesterDay. Vett/Pie/Tier were my scummier reads yesterday. Why wouldn't Pie and yourself be on the bottom of my list? NOTHING you have done today has made me consider you guys at all townier. It makes MUCH more sense to lynch Tier over Pie given the circumstances. I believe one of them are probably scum, but not necessarily sure which. So, hypothetical situations for lynching one, and them flipping town.


Say we lynch TownPie.

Tier kills Flames or Myself in the night.

Tier, Bert, Seo, Flames/Me.

4 slots alive, Tier uses the "Oh, don't lynch me, I'm going to die from the perish song tonight anyways. HARDY HAR HAR HAR." We lynch someone other than Tier. Tier doesn't die. Tier NK's. Game won.


We lynch TownTier today.
Scum kills Flames/Myself.

We find out about Tier's role ourselves, and can 100% confirm that Pie is going to go through and die after, successfully getting rid of both Pie/Tier, where most likely one scum is in.


Also, why is him saying he can redirect kills indicative of town? That gives Seo an easy move of saying he redirected something from whoever and mislynch to win.

Also, the fact that it's redirect "kills"...we're not killing in this game. We're knocking Pokemon out.

[TierShift]

Look, pie. I did just what you suggested town should do: call themselves cleared immediately. I did just that. Go back and look.

The point is, if there is no explanation for which I can be scum, I must be town, right? That's not too hard to grasp, is it? I'm looking for all possibilities in which I could be scum, to examine if any of them is possible. If any of them is, I'm not 100% confirmed town, just close. If none of them is, I am confirmed town.

I'm just trying to take your perspective on it.

Getting back to you on boon.

[Boonskiies]

You don't want me to scum hunt and consider the possibility outside of scum being outside you and Pie, Tier? You'd like me tunnel? Is that what you are saying? Because that's pretty much what it sounds like.

[TierShift]

Boon, let's just make this very clear: we are not lynching pie ever, even if he is scum. Get that?

[TierShift]

I said that what you're doing right now exactly coincides with a scum agenda. Do you disagree?

[Boonskiies]

Boon, let's just make this very clear: we are not lynching pie ever, even if he is scum. Get that?

HOLY FUCK!!!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING!!!!! I wish you would actually read the post.