Open 644: Stack the Deck - Game Over

[Dunnstral]

You're wrong about Vig being policy lynch and being negative utility. It's a town-aligned kill and in this setup confirmable as town (the only pr besides IC that can confirm their existance 100%, aside from a successful bodyguard)

Vig can follow general town consensus if they want, yeah.

Basically, if a vig shoots twice, that counts as a day phase, lynch and nightkill, except btoh are 100% town-aligned

Bad vigs can ruin a town? I mean sure they can

[Dunnstral]

Is that all you have to say?

We just lynched Thor. Thoughts?

You quoted post 1786 so I assume you read the game...?

What are your reads right now? Including Thor

[Dunnstral]

The Vig should kill Ploben. They were the second biggest wagon. Thus we can achieve a Town dictating the Vig's kills.

VOTE: KuroiXHF

If Ploben, Ranger, and Kuroi are the only viable lynch targets, this is best.

[Dunnstral]

Also that looks like a slip ^^^?

If BTD6 is mafia he just revealed to us that Ploben is town

If there's a vig they should be shooting BTD6 over Ploben. Incidentally this might mean that florestan is town? It also means that yes, Ranger is mafia.

BTD6 just went from scumlean to straight on scum in my eyes

[BTD6_maker]

I do not in any way scumread Ploben. However, do you have any reasons why Town should not dictate the Vig? In this case, it would mean killing the second largest wagon, regardless of anyone's reads.

[BTD6_maker]

What I am trying to say is that Vigs, should we allow them to live, MUST sheep Town. A Vig should not decide for themselves who to kill. If they do, I do not want them around near LyLo.

[BTD6_maker]

If the Vig kills me, you will see what I mean about Vigs being negative utility.

[Chip Butty]

Well, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get ploben, but Kuroi/Thor was highly suspicious as well, so let's see. If he flips green, I def want ploben tomorrow though. Even if he flips red, I want ploben tomorrow. Given there is only three scum, it might be just two Town wagons that just read things in a slightly different way. Whether one or both wagons is accurate, time will tell, I guess.

Re:vigs, I think it comes down to who is in the slot, just like any other role, but with higher stakes. Some people I'd trust in the role, others not. At the risk of sounding obsessed, I wouldn't mind if a vig took out ploben. Or Florestan.

[Chip Butty]

If the Vig kills me, you will see what I mean about Vigs being negative utility.

This is, ultimately, the point of your anti-Vig diatribe, isn't it?

[Chip Butty]

It's about trying to make sure a Vig doesn't target you. Not hugely AI, but still...

[BTD6_maker]

A Townie has as much incentive to prevent their death as a scum.

Also, I hate Vigs regardless of whether or not they target me. If the Vig targets any Townie other than Ploben, you will see what I mean. However, I am the only person I know to be Town for sure.

[ploben]

Anyway, hammer is down, it's twilight, if anyone has thoughts they want on record before mod closes now's the time. My list is about what it was before. Two key changes/notes:

1) I haven't liked flor at all lately, definitely need to look at him more closely N1 and D2.

2) If Thor flips green, I'm going to take a much harder look at Dunn tomorrow. Thor's push felt reachy, but if it was actually genuine then I'll need to more seriously re-evaluate what he'd said.

I think this is the closest me and mhsmith have come to agreeing in this game.

Flor looked awful at the end of D1 here. I'm wondering if his attitude was almost that he was getting bored though and make him look worse than his alignment actually is.

Dunnstral has been in the back of my mind for a while now. He leaves me uneasy and I'll have to do some work to show why I think that.

I'm just not sure about Chip. He looks so agro going against me. Granted, I've not played a very good town game but his tunneling

In regards to Thor, funny how he slipped off at the end toward deadline. Kuroi looked real bad. I think Thor did a good job replacing in late and trying the best he could. I'm speaking like he's going to flip red.

I really don't like BTD's activity level this game. He might be a D2 policy lynch candidate.

Happy Father's Day. Hope we get a nice Father's Day gift with red flip here boys.

[ploben]

Well, I'm a bit disappointed we didn't get ploben, but Kuroi/Thor was highly suspicious as well, so let's see. If he flips green, I def want ploben tomorrow though. Even if he flips red, I want ploben tomorrow. Given there is only three scum, it might be just two Town wagons that just read things in a slightly different way. Whether one or both wagons is accurate, time will tell, I guess.

Re:vigs, I think it comes down to who is in the slot, just like any other role, but with higher stakes. Some people I'd trust in the role, others not. At the risk of sounding obsessed, I wouldn't mind if a vig took out ploben. Or Florestan.

I feel like you're perpetuating this persona of dumtownChip on tunnelytownChip because you know people in this game are eating it up. Good work keeping this attitude alive if you're scum.

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.24 FINAL

Ploben (3) - chip butty, ranger, florestan
Thor665 (7) - shadow, ploben, dunnstral, pantherpunt, BTD6, karnos, mhsmith LYNCH
Ranger (1) - duppin
Dunnstral (1) - Thor

Not voting (0) -

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-06-19 07:30:00) remain until day end

Thor665 has been lynched! He was a:

Spoiler:

Welcome. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

You currently have no special abilities.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Night 1 begins. You have (expired on 2016-06-21 05:30:00) to submit night actions.

[Persivul]

Night 1 Ends

Florestan was killed! He was a:

Spoiler:

Welcome. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

You currently have no special abilities.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Night 1 begins. You have (expired on 2016-06-21 05:30:00) to submit night actions.

[Persivul]

Votecount 2.1

Not voting (10) - chip butty, ranger, shadow, ploben, dunnstral, pantherpunt, BTD6, karnos, mhsmith, duppin

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-07-05 06:30:00) remain until day end

[Ranger]

VOTE: ploben.

[ploben]

Night 1 Ends

Florestan was killed! He was a:

Spoiler:

Welcome. You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Abilities:

You currently have no special abilities.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Night 1 begins. You have (expired on 2016-06-21 05:30:00) to submit night actions.

Who was railing against me for calling out inactive players because they would get night killed?

VOTE: BTD6

Scum, you should have killed BTD6 for the better inactive player. Unless you couldn't...because he's scum.

[ploben]

Scott is due for a prod. We're coming up on 5 IRL days in this game and Scott has given literally nothing. He made a good point about an association in his last post but he's not contributed nearly enough. This makes him a danger to town in 2 ways: no good associations and we have no idea where he stands in the game and also makes an easy NK for scum leaving little to no info for town in D2.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

This is a bad vote dude.
If it was earlier in the day when the content was less and we had no scum reads it would have been fine.

I don't quite follow the logic here, surely scum would not want to kill someone who hasn't posted much as they are easy mislynches later on(?)

Here it is.

[ploben]

@Ranger

What do you think about me voting inactive players early D1 and then one getting killed in the night? And the more useless player than Flor D1 was BTD, who's still alive? Lay it on me Ranger.

[ploben]

Hate to admit it but you might be right Chip. Duppin doesn't look good here either.

[ploben]

Oh and this is also why you don't leave a lynch until the 11th hour...because the L-1 and hammer now doesn't hold as much weight. Literally any faction could make the argument "we don't want to no lynch so we have to push through". If we pushed earlier on Kuroi/Thor the players at the end of the wagon could have been different and the content might have been more revealing other than "We have to do this because of deadline"

[Chip Butty]

Okay, so Thor is dead and Ranger is alive, so I guess she will be scum's preferred counterwagon to ploben again?

The way I see it, either Ranger is scum (atm, I think this isn't likely) or Town has a Doc and a Vig. Doc saved Ranger and Vig took out Florestan. Florestan doesn't make sense as a scum target, as he was looking like lynchbait.

No prob with the last two onto the Thor wagon; preventing the no-lynch. That leaves five, of whom at least two must be Town. I hope now that they have been shown to be wrong, they will be more amenable to a ploben lynch.

I don't see any reason to change my vote:

VOTE: PLOBEN

[ploben]

People are posting so much in this game I almost suspect scum spamming.

Hmm...I wonder.

Ranger 45
KuroiXHF 36

Dunnstral 162

PantherPunt (A REPLACEMENT!) 137

duppin 33

ploben 150

BTD6_maker 20
Chip Butty 130
Florestan 35
karnos 82
Shadow_step 15
Persivul 25
Scott Brosius 4
AlpacaAlpaca

Nope, there couldn't

possibly

be

any

trend here, whatsoever. Clearly this means nothing. I mean, surely there's ABSOLUTELY no trend there, right? It's not like the active posters could be scum or anything.

You know, in every game I have played in since my very first, I am or have been the leading poster, usually by a wide margin. It's part of my meta, and I have done it as both Town and scum. But here, there is not just one player surpassing me in VC, but THREE. And, surprise, surprise, it's the three scummiest. The leaderboard: Dunstral (181); Panther (171); ploben (151); Chip Butty (131); karnos (84).

@Ranger and Chip
How's that (air quotes) "scum hunting" tactic working out for ya?
Dunnstral=333
ploben=262
Chip Butty=252

Oh hello Chip. Welcome to the scum club!

[ploben]

Chip, nothing about BTD or duppin? Just straight back to tunneling me?